120Hz monitors worth it?

[IronWarrior]

Are 120Hz monitors worth it for gaming?

I don't see any problems with the monitors am using now and having over 60FPS is fine, always top in the rankings for games. So would an 120Hz monitor be any advantage over someone with an 60Hz monitor/tv?

The only thing I dislike about the new 120Hz are they only go to 1920x1080.

[nn_step]

To answer that, you need to first answer which is most important:

How many frames per second can the human eye see?
this question is NOT the same as:


How many frames per second do I have to have to make motions look fluid?
And it's not the same as


How many frames per second makes the movie stop flickering?
And it's not the same as


What is the shortest frame a human eye would notice?

and without knowing the true propose of the monitor and what experience you demand from it. It isn't possible to answer the question.

[Kunaak]

no point.

its a nice concept - but a solid 60 FPS is still fine.
in a few years when the prices are good, and quality better - then go for it.
but at this point, its barely even a bragging item.

its more like, if you have a extra grand, and you got tired of wiping you butt with money, and throwing it in the fireplace - and just need a whole new way to waste it, heres a good way.

[One_Hertz]

Yes for me. I would never trade my 120hz for any amount of better IQ. It is a primary requirement when I look for new monitors. If you don't feel much difference though then definitely just go with a better looking 60hz screen.

FPS has no relation to refresh rate. Two different metrics which are not related in any way.

[DeadlyFire]

I don't know the prevalence of true 120Hz monitors in the market but there are improvements over your standard 60Hz monitors. I am using an IPS monitor at 75Hz which works great for FPS games. Here's a good read: The over-60Hz LCD thread.

[RPGWiZaRD]

Depends who you are asking what your priorities are, for me performance > IQ and I'd take any 120Hz over any 60Hz LCD. If 120Hz LCD monitors hadn't come out I'd still be using a CRT, that important high refresh rate is to me, a requirement.

[flopper]

If you ask me, yes.
120hz makes it more clear, all the people buying it notice that.
http://3dvision-blog.com/120hz-lcd-s...-benq-g2220hd/

[IronWarrior]

Watching that video and looking at the pictures, there is no noticeable difference. If the picture is more clear then I think we can put that down to the screen and not because it's refreshing faster. It's like having 12 GB RAM for gaming when no games require that much.

Thanks for the comments.

[NotSoCoolJ]

I wouldn't say that they are totally useless. I would be hard pressed to buy one right now though.

One good thing about them is 120Hz is a direct multiple of 60 and 24. You shouldn't need to switch to 24/48Hz anymore when watching movies.

I would like to have one for the two games I have that actually run faster than 120Hz. CS and TF2.

Everything else, it would be good if you intend to run the 3D vision stuff. It mostly doesn't matter unless you watch a lot of movies and TV shows.

[flopper]

Watching that video and looking at the pictures, there is no noticeable difference. If the picture is more clear then I think we can put that down to the screen and not because it's refreshing faster. It's like having 12 GB RAM for gaming when no games require that much.

Thanks for the comments.

your kidding right?
No difference?

if you dont see it, you really need to learn to play fps shooters properly.

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=676
as shown here.

[[B]attery]

i own a vx2265 which has a native res of 1680x1050. i also play css very competively (i have been cevo-p.) if you're serious about gaming and want an edge than a 120hz lcd is a fantastic upgrade over 60hz and even 75hz lcds. crts are still the king for gamers, but most people find the happy medium with the 120hz lcds. if all you do is pub and play with your friends than a 120hz lcd is probably not for you.

[RPGWiZaRD]

Well for me it's not about having an edge in multiplayer vs other players, I just personally also enjoy the smoother motion whatever I'm playing FPS or a racing game in single player or multiplayer etc. but this has been an attractive thing all since I was a small kid I was like wondering how it looked so much smoother on some people's monitors or TVs or whatever and wanted to get the same, later on when I grew up and understood the technical stuff better I got interested in Trinitron CRTs as they provided one step higher refresh rate for same res as cheaper Shadow mask CRTs etc. I do like having a "natural" feel, 60Hz won't provide me that, I get better experience by smooth motion than great graphics usually.

Ofc it might give you a small edge in multiplayer gaming too but you won't magically be able to beat a significantly better player cuz of that, only in case both players are of equal skill it can have an advantage in that regard so I don't agree about the previous comment that 120Hz would only be for competitive gaming, for me that's not it at least.

[little_scrapper]

This post is enough to make you want to cry. 2010 'improvements' in LCD, still miles away from from where we were at in 2002 with CRT.

Makes perfect sense that LCD is still way behind CRT. CRT has been around for about 100 years. The first LCD's came out when? back in the eighties or somewhere about. An extra 70-80 years to perfect the design add alot of performance.

[PaganII]

http://www.dlp.com/hdtv/

DLP = up to 1,000 times faster than LCD

You can pick up these huge HDTVs used for anywhere from free to $300 and a lot of them are 3D too. They started doing 3D in the 2007 models.

I went with a 3D DLP projector that does 120Hz. Acer H5360 http://us.acer.com/acer/productv.do?...&CRC=189010050

[KoHaN69]

Damn right!

A game at 40FPS looks much smoother on my 100Hz CRT (Sony FW900) than it does at 80FPS on a my Dell 2405FPW (60Hz)

[slowfreight]

I still have an ol Sony Trinitron CRT, but there is no way I would go back to it. If a 30" 120Hz LCD existed I would more than likely get one, but only if it was about the same price as my U3011 otherwise it would no.

[KoHaN69]

I purchased the IPS HP LP2475w when everyone was making a fuss over it. My ancient Diamondtron and Trinitron CRTs shat over that thing so badly that I ended up selling it after a month or so (at a massive loss). The 60Hz refresh rate was the least of it's problems. Try playing F.E.A.R with LCD black levels (ie. grey). Immersion? Not on your life.

Might look into a DLP projector, although the resolutions are a bit low at my price range...

QFT

I like my black to be black, not dark-purple-green-blue-muddy-piss-rain-water-grey

Some plasma screens are decent, I'd like to get a 30" 1080p plasma, if they existed!

[PaganII]

Ya, you kinda need the lower res with 120Hz but you get 3D and up to 300" screen with the projector.

[KoHaN69]

Ya, you kinda need the lower res with 120Hz but you get 3D and up to 300" screen with the projector.

its only interlacing the horizontal lines afaik, so you dont just get 1080i, you get 1920p x 1080i (540p interlaced) it sure beats active shutter glasses!

[flashnc]

one of the biggest advantages with a 120hz monitor besides an over all smoothness...is input lag...

I do a racing simulation and for me, that is probably the biggest factor input lag. with 120hz monitor, it is all but eliminated.

Ive been using opne since they first became avalible...Id never go back to a 60hz monitor for any reason.

[Coldon]

+1 the higher refresh rate is somethign i'd like from a input lag perspective. Games perform input updates per frame, so the higher the frame rate the more responsive the game feels (has nothing to do with animation). So if a game is running at 30FPS, there will be 16ms delay between you moving the mouse and the resulting action on screen. Now add in the d3d frame pre-render which is set to 3 by default, you're looking at 50ms of input lag. I always play with v-sync off and pre-render frames to 1. Unfortunately this means i have to deal with massive amounts of tearing so its kinda a lose-lose situation...

[PaganII]

its only interlacing the horizontal lines afaik, so you dont just get 1080i, you get 1920p x 1080i (540p interlaced) it sure beats active shutter glasses!

This projector is 1280x720p 120Hz = left, right, left, right.

[keiths]

The LCD/LCD120hz/CRT picture compels me to grab a CRT and keep holding out until they get their act together on the LCD/etc front.

Edit: Just bought a Nokia 445xpro off of craigslist for $50

[Rise]

i had a triniton for the longest time and its noticeably better for games like starcraft & counterstrike vs my current 24" dell (which is awesome for everything else). input lag is the biggest driver of performance improvement IMO and you do actually have an edge over those who play on LCD's if that's the type of game you're playing where accuracy and speed are king. that's why pro-gamers in korea still use CRT's for their 400-500 APM game play, even in front of studio audiences where CRT's look like something out of the stoneage. It's just that much better.

that said, I wouldn't trade my 24" LCD for anything since I hardly play games like SC anymore. but next monitor I do get (in a few years) will be 120hz...

[Blkout]

Are 120Hz monitors worth it for gaming?

I don't see any problems with the monitors am using now and having over 60FPS is fine, always top in the rankings for games. So would an 120Hz monitor be any advantage over someone with an 60Hz monitor/tv?

The only thing I dislike about the new 120Hz are they only go to 1920x1080.

There are two purposes, 3D games split the refresh rate in order to provide both images so with a 60Hz monitor, you would be viewing it at 30Hz which could be a problem with Vsync enabled because the framerate would be limited to 30fps.

The other purpose is basically what I just stated in regards to refresh rate with Vsync enabled. With a 60Hz monitor, your framerate is limited to 60fps which can sometimes cause framerates to dip more than it would if Vsync wasn't enabled. With a 120Hz monitor you can run Vsync enabled with a 120fps cap which is far less likely to have framerates dip to unplayable levels.

Personally, I would rather see all LCD's go to 120Hz.