NVIDIA Says AMD Reduced Image Quality Settings HD 6800 Series For Better Performance

[Amorphous]

Texture shimmering does not appear in screenshots. It requires movement to see.

I don't really care who has better IQ, so long as there is enough quality. But I strongly believe that bechmarks should be run with similar IQ settings. Otherwise, what's the point of benching cards against each other?

No no the only exemple he shown, is in ME there's no difference between quality ..

Nvidia on left, and AMD + Catalyst with optimisation on the right .... (set on quality not HQ ) ( AA is not applied the same can be disturbing but we speak about AF optimisation, not AA )

Global scene ..


Then i have zoom to the back and on specific zone.. ( for see if the AF optimisation was made far of the first scene ) ..




So what the proof in his article ? Trackmania screen from 3D center ?

[Shadov]

Texture shimmering does not appear in screenshots. It requires movement to see.

I don't really care who has better IQ, so long as there is enough quality. But I strongly believe that bechmarks should be run with similar IQ settings. Otherwise, what's the point of benching cards against each other?

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Tsk, tsk - only 75 posts so far Amorphous. Does that mean no new, free card for Xmas?

Though seriously, the whole topic is like pot calling the kettle black and various optimizations can be proven to both sides. As long as we don't require a magnifying glass to see the difference or objects in game disappear (hello 3dmark dragon) then it's all fine and guess what those optimizations give us better performance in scenes where the FPS counter is close to 30.

[STEvil]

I find it funny the number of people complaining that probably dont even know or care if they are using TN panel

[Shadov]

I find it funny the number of people complaining that probably dont even know or care if they are using TN panel

True and I just love NV users moaning about the need to "control AF slider settings" on AMD cards, while GeForce cards dont even have the same control option enabled.

Anyway, thats all that can be said to this topic I guess.

STEvil on a side note, im considering a new IPS-S monitor. Anything you would recommend?

[RejZoR]

IPS or TN, doesn't matter. It's not related to texture filtering and i can have just as sharp textures on a 4 years old TN or on a brand new IPS screeen. It's all just about screen view angles and response times.

As for the image, i'm currently using High Quality mode with Surface format optimization disabled. 16x AF used at all times. The textures are nice and sharp, no shimmering effect due to optimizations, nothing. Just secks textures

[AMDDeathstar]

Is one S-IPS and the other TN?

One is an Acer AL2216W the other is Samsung T220HD, I'm pretty sure the Samsung is TN.

[autobot]

Sooo....all this hoopla over something your only going to see if your face is literally an inch or two away from the screen. Wow.....Nvidia really will whine about anything.

[STEvil]

True and I just love NV users moaning about the need to "control AF slider settings" on AMD cards, while GeForce cards dont even have the same control option enabled.

Anyway, thats all that can be said to this topic I guess.

STEvil on a side note, im considering a new IPS-S monitor. Anything you would recommend?

Dunno, i've not looked into getting a new monitor for a while. I'm happy with my LG W3000H 30" and Toshiba XV648 46"

IPS or TN, doesn't matter. It's not related to texture filtering and i can have just as sharp textures on a 4 years old TN or on a brand new IPS screeen. It's all just about screen view angles and response times.

As for the image, i'm currently using High Quality mode with Surface format optimization disabled. 16x AF used at all times. The textures are nice and sharp, no shimmering effect due to optimizations, nothing. Just secks textures

Thats not the point. The TN will have larger banding effects which is far more annoying and noticeable than texture filtering algorithms, and possibly the banding effects could make the texture filtering more or less visible.

[eternal_fantasy]

In conclusion; Nvidia should just lower default IQ to compensate for performance disadvantage and be done with it.

[Shadov]

In conclusion; Nvidia should just lower default IQ to compensate for performance disadvantage and be done with it.

Have you missed the memo, that AMD did it to match Nvidia default quality?

Remember that AMD introduced a new angle independent AF filtering algorithm in HD 6000, but im not sure how it compares to Nvidia (quality and resources needed).

[eternal_fantasy]

Have you missed the memo, that AMD did it to match Nvidia default quality?

Then I guess AMD overdid it... according to Nvidia's post-it.

Which graphics card brand you buy determines which memo it dispenses. Fact.

[RSC]

Have you missed the memo, that AMD did it to match Nvidia default quality?

Remember that AMD introduced a new angle independent AF filtering algorithm in HD 6000, but im not sure how it compares to Nvidia (quality and resources needed).

@ Guru3D review of GTX570

Speaking of AMD, the ATI graphics team at default driver settings applies an image quality optimization which can be seen, though very slightly and in certain conditions. It gives their cards ~8% extra performance. NVIDIA does not apply such a tweak and opts better image quality. We hope to see that move from AMD/ATI soon as well.

(http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-review/21)

[Scorpio[pt]]

Guru3D is one of the most biased websites ever made