NVIDIA Says AMD Reduced Image Quality Settings HD 6800 Series For Better Performance

[Dimitriman]

There's certainly a huge difference in numbers for one, but it is the amount of bias they're capable of, that really sets them apart. Case in point, the AF issue.

Funny cause I have been around long enough to tell you nvidia fanboys defended their fxs and drivers to the teeth even at the pinnacle of nvidias cheating ways claiming just as today that it was ok for nvidia to cheat or perform worse cause their drivers were just so godly and that much better.

Anyway I think I will go for Nvidia on my next system since I dispise iq shortcuts on high end cards. Cayman should put an end to this bull or Im done buying red just as I was done buying green 4 years ago.

ps: in general nvidia fanboys are far more arrogant and insisting upon themselves. If amd fanboys behaved exactly the same there would be a new thread on the news forum everyday about how the gtx 580 still gets its ass handed by a 1 year old 5970 and is a power hog. But you dont see that, what you see are legions of nvidiots creating huge drama over small deals in order to excuse themsleves for not being the top dog around. Threads about driver, iq, af, and as many milimetrical advantages they can have become top news over here.
Its friggin tiresome as thats what it is.

amd= performance at any cost even if iq at stake
nvidia= eterneal looping excuses for not being the fastest.

both ty ways to go about.

[Oztopher]

+1 I will be going for a GTX 470 next upgrade, or possibly a GTX 560 (can imagine 570 being a bit out of my price range). 6870 was appealing until now, and anyway, they overclock like when considering overclock %. A 6850 overclocks nicely but it really isn't worth the upgrade over my 4890.

[Amorphous]

Thats a simple fact , noone is arguing that you can set to high quality or what nvidia or ati did in the past , its about now and misleading benchmarks, info people get when deciding what to buy.

This.

[Solus Corvus]

Thats a simple fact , noone is arguing that you can set to high quality or what nvidia or ati did in the past , its about now and misleading benchmarks, info people get when deciding what to buy.

That's partially the fault of most reviews for not analyzing IQ and partially AMD's fault for taking advantage of it. If more reviews actually bothered to bump IQ to its highest on both cards for some/all tests and provided IQ comparisons then this wouldn't be an issue.

Not that I'm happy with AMD for fiddling with the defaults. But I haven't used default settings on either brand since...ever.

[Manicdan]

did anyone do a perf comparison with the settings yet?

[cegras]

This.

Where were you when nvidia was doing similar stuff?

[thatdude90210]

ps: in general nvidia fanboys are far more arrogant and insisting upon themselves. If amd fanboys behaved exactly the same there would be a new thread on the news forum everyday about how the gtx 580 still gets its ass handed by a 1 year old 5970 and is a power hog. But you dont see that, what you see are legions of nvidiots creating huge drama over small deals in order to excuse themsleves for not being the top dog around. Threads about driver, iq, af, and as many milimetrical advantages they can have become top news over here.
Its friggin tiresome as thats what it is.

They are very much like cults. It seems like fanboys take on the personalities of their favorite companies, especially the CEO. Nv fanboys are kinda like Jen-Hsun, boisterous, boastful, generally aggressive. Whereas Amd fanboys are more quiet and reserved. Kinda like how we don't hear much from Amd's CEO. I don't even know who the current one is.

[SKYMTL]

Where were you when nvidia was doing similar stuff?

As was said: NVIDIA learned their lesson. Now it's AMD's turn.

Personally, I don't think this was necessarily intentional on AMD's part since at its core, angle dependent AF is a great idea. It has just been poorly implemented and the result is higher performance at lower image quality.

[trinibwoy]

Nv fanboys are kinda like Jen-Hsun, boisterous, boastful, generally aggressive. Whereas Amd fanboys are more quiet and reserved.

Quiet and reserved? Lol. People discussing which fanboys are worse have got to be the best offtopic tangent ever, especially when the fanboy discussion reeks of ummm fanboyism

[Dimitriman]

They are very much like cults. It seems like fanboys take on the personalities of their favorite companies, especially the CEO. Nv fanboys are kinda like Jen-Hsun, boisterous, boastful, generally aggressive. Whereas Amd fanboys are more quiet and reserved. Kinda like how we don't hear much from Amd's CEO. I don't even know who the current one is.

the issue with nvidia fanboys is that they are blinded by arrogance while ati fanboys are blinded by the need to defend the company they still perceive to be the bullied underdog at any cost.

with the three week delay of cayman and the early launch of gtx580 the nvidia fanboys got a massive boost to their egos and the stench of their trolling lately has been unbareable. Just do a quick search on how many ati hate threads are still live in this forum and youll see.

when your preferred firm does something unlawful or unethical the best thing you can do as a fan is cryticize it and demand their correction. putting them under your wing for anything they do is not only bad for them but is especially bad for yourself.

[geo]

fanboys aside, facts are on nvidia's side on this one.

[cegras]

As was said: NVIDIA learned their lesson. Now it's AMD's turn.

Personally, I don't think this was necessarily intentional on AMD's part since at its core, angle dependent AF is a great idea. It has just been poorly implemented and the result is higher performance at lower image quality.

Right. But the point is, he's also a hypocrite and if he didn't speak up then he has *no* right to speak up now. Unless he's a hypocrite.

[trinibwoy]

That is pretty stupid. You can't complain that someone did something unless you've complained about everyone in the past who also did it? Where do you guys come up with this crap? Besides he's not even complaining so don't know what you're defending.

[Final8ty]

That is pretty stupid. You can't complain that someone did something unless you've complained about everyone in the past who also did it? Where do you guys come up with this crap? Besides he's not even complaining so don't know what you're defending.

I have to agree there.

It only when some defended the actions before & now is saying the opposite that its hypocritical but specifics have to be taken into account & not just the generalised definition of cheating.

[Frontl1ne]

Can anyone post up links to videos or screenshots displaying this lowering of IQ in games? I can't for the life of me see anything that looks particularly bad while playing Dirt 2 and BFBC2.

[spursindonesia]

Another nice soap opera, me like it. Pass me a bag of popcorn, will you !

[cegras]

That is pretty stupid. You can't complain that someone did something unless you've complained about everyone in the past who also did it? Where do you guys come up with this crap? Besides he's not even complaining so don't know what you're defending.

Sure, you can complain all you want.

An nvidia focus group member doing it is quite ironic and hypocritical (as he's glossing over his sponsor's farts).

[generics_user]

Can anyone post up links to videos or screenshots displaying this lowering of IQ in games? I can't for the life of me see anything that looks particularly bad while playing Dirt 2 and BFBC2.

i also fail to see a difference in newer games, but some older games show a noticeable difference between HQ and normal Q

[PaganII]

The more Nvidia complains, the more free advertising for AMD. Like in Hollywood "I don't care what you say, just spell my name right!" And the people that listen to the ones that scream the loudest are the ones that lose. Nvidia just sounds like a sore loser no matter what the facts are. Their whole beef depends on the definition of default driver and the manner of testing. Without that they have no argument.

[duploxxx]

you know what is funny, even with the high quality the ati 68xx series are still the best card to get price/power/performance.... against the 460-470, there benchmarks showed that....

[Gilgamesh]

did anyone do a perf comparison with the settings yet?

Xbitlabs test with High settings:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid..._12.html#sect1

ATI Catalyst:
Anti-Aliasing: Use application settings/Standard Filter
Morphological filtering: Off
Texture Filtering Quality: High Quality
Surface Format Optimization: Off
Wait for vertical refresh: Always Off
Anti-Aliasing Mode: Quality
Other settings: default

Nvidia GeForce:
Texture filtering – Quality: High quality
Vertical sync: Force off
Antialiasing - Transparency: Multisampling
CUDA – GPUs: All
Set PhysX configuration: Auto-select
Ambient Occlusion: Off
Other settings: default

[mutantmagnet]

Where were you when nvidia was doing similar stuff?

Psst...look at his join date and wipe the egg off your face afterwards.

[slaveondope]

Ive got your IQ control right here.....



Haven't seen a jaggy line yet.

[zanzabar]

Xbitlabs test with High settings:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid..._12.html#sect1

ATI Catalyst:
Anti-Aliasing: Use application settings/Standard Filter
Morphological filtering: Off
Texture Filtering Quality: High Quality
Surface Format Optimization: Off
Wait for vertical refresh: Always Off
Anti-Aliasing Mode: Quality
Other settings: default

Nvidia GeForce:
Texture filtering – Quality: High quality
Vertical sync: Force off
Antialiasing - Transparency: Multisampling
CUDA – GPUs: All
Set PhysX configuration: Auto-select
Ambient Occlusion: Off
Other settings: default

im sorry if im missing something but were are the SS that shows the default and "fixed" settings in action.

since i have not heard of any1 complaining about quality and amd said said that they added a higher quality setting and made the last one equal to the old high quality makes this seam like a bunch of squabbling over semantics. the only time that i ever remember complaints on images it was for NV cheating in 3d mark, NV lowering IQ when the 4890 came out to boost scores and ati not having alpha textures working properly specifically in the farcry2 and each time that happened there was benching and SS of the problems and comparing card to card and driver to driver, but with this no1 is posting SS and the attack is coming from NV so it seams orchestrated as there would have been angry people before NV said something but all that cam out was benching sites that favored NV re-benching with high quality instead of quality and most of the reputable benching of defaults, and while some sites post SS of the bench that did not lead to anything. I love IQ and i had never seen anything even when the AF testing was going on this did not come out so i dont see this as anything correct.

[PaganII]

The problem is review sites. If they don't do a like for like review based on Image quality, then we're always stuck in this situation.

I think [H]ardOCP comes closest with reviews that take into consideration settings, but a review site that lowers/raises settings to give equal amounts of image quality is needed (are there any?).

As for the AMD and Nvidia fanbois in this thread. it's starting to get annoying, as none of you are giving any evidence to back up your arguments. AMD are under no obligation to set "Ultra High IQ" as default, and NVidia isn't either.

Agree. It is the reviewers doing the misleading. Like back when Intel Quad first came out and you get the reviews that show how powerful the quad is... ya, @ 640 x 480 ha ha ha. They don't show that a dual core beats it when you raise the resolution.
Nobody... uses default settings. When you start a game you see what you get at MAX settings and then tone it down if you need higher framerate.
So the whole argument is a fabrication.