NVIDIA GTX 595 (picture+Details)

[takamishanoku]

Lol Nvidia are the kings of monster cards. That's the whole point on why ppl think they can't fit 2 GPU's on one card - cause they are monstrous.
Even if they put 2 570 instead of of 2 580 that is STILL a monster card with regards to die size, etc...

[saaya]

not really... the first nvidia dual gpu card was from asus, based on 6800GT chips, and was bigger than any dual gpu card to date...
since then asus has created several REAL monster cards... all nvidia dual gpu cards dont look monstrous at all to me...
they are SLIGHTLY longer than normal cards, thats all... asus dual gpu cards are HUGE and have massive heatsinks and the best of the best components...
while nvidia tends to use cut down gpus and mainstream components, not the best of the best... i wouldnt call that a monster card, but thats just my opinion...

[zalbard]

not really... the first nvidia dual gpu card was from asus, based on 6800GT chips, and was bigger than any dual gpu card to date...
since then asus has created several REAL monster cards... all nvidia dual gpu cards dont look monstrous at all to me...
they are SLIGHTLY longer than normal cards, thats all... asus dual gpu cards are HUGE and have massive heatsinks and the best of the best components...
while nvidia tends to use cut down gpus and mainstream components, not the best of the best... i wouldnt call that a monster card, but thats just my opinion...

Agreed.
Maybe 595 will be different, though... But I doubt that.

[Olivon]

It's hard to keep being quiet and watch you people arguing about it when you know what GPUs do power these cards

GF110

[Sam_oslo]

"monster" is a relative expression. This double-GPU (whatever it is) doesn't need to be a monster, it only needs to beat/match 6990, and in case it will probably fall from the clear sky right on the day of release.
Then you can call it a "monster"-eater, LMAO, but it remains to be seen if that's the final plan.

[[XC] hipno650]

not really... the first nvidia dual gpu card was from asus, based on 6800GT chips, and was bigger than any dual gpu card to date...
since then asus has created several REAL monster cards... all nvidia dual gpu cards dont look monstrous at all to me...
they are SLIGHTLY longer than normal cards, thats all... asus dual gpu cards are HUGE and have massive heatsinks and the best of the best components...
while nvidia tends to use cut down gpus and mainstream components, not the best of the best... i wouldnt call that a monster card, but thats just my opinion...

by that reasoning the AMD/ATI is not a monster card provider either because the 5970 was downclocked so thus only Asus is a real monster card provider...

to be honest I find it hard to compared cards like the MARS and ARES to any full production card because with only around 2000 of each produced they are not widely available for purchase. IMO card like the GTX 295 and the 9800GX2 should be called monsters, the MARS should something else...

I also find it funny that people blindly accept that AMD can do it and Nvidia can't I have used both GTX 570's and 6950/6970 and I can tell you both cards are equally as large physically but the 6970 produces MORE heat and is a good bunch louder then the GTX 570 from what I noticed.... people said Nvidia would never slap a pair of GT200b's together but look at the GTX 295...

for people to think that they will take two full GTX 580's and slap them together is plain naive neither AMD or Nvidia has ever done that. only Asus lol. but it does not change the fact that whatever each company comes out with will be a total "monster" I would however be interested to see if Nvidia play the GF114 card and take a performance hit to offer a lower heat, lower noise and lower power use card then the 6990...

[rado992]

IMO it's really simple. Which chip has better perf/watt? GF114, of course. It's already near 150W, so a little binning will do just fine. And it will still offer nice OC headroom. The battle between AMD and Nvidia here is simple: who can deliver the highest performance at 300W.

[Russian]

I honestly believe this is a joke, because dual GTX 580s on a single PCB would be way too hot and consume way too much power.

[bamtan2]

IMO it's really simple. Which chip has better perf/watt? GF114, of course. It's already near 150W, so a little binning will do just fine. And it will still offer nice OC headroom. The battle between AMD and Nvidia here is simple: who can deliver the highest performance at 300W.

I honestly believe this is a joke, because dual GTX 580s on a single PCB would be way too hot and consume way too much power.

5970 is two 5870 at 5850 clock speed. 5850 and 5870 both use about 170W under load. 170W+170W = 340W. how can 5970 exist? because they can make optimizations.

that said, gf114 (170W) is a lot closer in wattage to 5870 and gtx 285
(gtx 285 is 180W and they made that dual), so making gf114 dual makes a lot of sense. there is precedent for this.

I'm not sure there is precedent for making the 210W gtx570 or 280W gtx580 dual.

but dual 6970 versus dual 560 is too close for comfort for nvidia. I dont know that nvidia can win that. I dont know they want to spend the next year in 2nd place again. so maybe they've found a way.

[Kimofil]

Who cares about power consumption when we talk about high-end dual-GPU cards?

[miptzi]

I cant undesrtand why all this ranting because the power draw of a dual gpu GF110 ...... with all this 3/4way SLI whe see in XS.....

You guys rant about 1 card and buy THREE OR FOUR !!!!

[Kristers Bensin]

I cant undesrtand why all this ranting because the power draw of a dual gpu GF110 ...... with all this 3/4way SLI whe see in XS.....

You guys rant about 1 card and buy THREE OR FOUR !!!!

300W TDP PCIe standard hello? thats what all the ranting is about, if nvidia can actually pull of this kind of card and still be able to conquer 6990.

[Kimofil]

300W TDP PCIe standard hello? thats what all the ranting is about, if nvidia can actually pull of this kind of card and still be able to conquer 6990.

Nothing happen if it will be draw more than 300

[Sn0wm@n]

Nothing happen if it will be draw more than 300

then they wont be able to stamp the pci-express logo on their box ...

[DTU_XaVier]

We should've never reached the 300w limit in the first place... It's kinda sad that we did actually, considering that Nvidia said that they would never make a more powerhungry card, when they released the 8800GTX...

Best Regards

[Heinz68]

Nothing happen if it will be draw more than 300

Well there must be some good reason why both Nvidia and AMD up to now stayed within the 300W TDP PCIe standard, with the Dual GPU reference cards. Only the limited special edition Dual GPU cards by the partners went over the limit.

For example the reference ATI HD 5970 has two 5870 chips but the clocks and voltage was reduced in order to stay within the 300W TDP. It also used binned chip that can run on lower voltage. The end result was that the HD 5970 is only about as fast as HD 5850 CrossFire.

Now if the HD 6990 is using two 6970 chips as rumored, it needs to be gutted more, but the same goes for the Nvidia dual GPU card if it's using two GTX 570 which would need even more gutting to stay within the standard. The OP about using two GTX 580 is little hard to believe.

My speculation is, if both cards will stay within the 300W, none will be on average much faster than the other.

[eXceeded]

The above post is why I hate all these standards, who in their right mind buys a card like this and thinks 'hmmm I do need to save on electricity, better make sure it's under 300W'. It would be like being annoyed that my car can't do more than 50mpg even though it's a Type R. Doesn't make any sense!!

[bamtan2]

The above post is why I hate all these standards, who in their right mind buys a card like this and thinks 'hmmm I do need to save on electricity, better make sure it's under 300W'. It would be like being annoyed that my car can't do more than 50mpg even though it's a Type R. Doesn't make any sense!!

you dont get it. without standard none of your hardware exists because nobody knows how to make their product work with anybody elses.

[mmorpgfocus]

TO heck with the standard -

It will be sad if they somehow ruin the potential to stay at 300w -

if that is the case then go ahead and wait for a vendor to make their own specialty version - who would buy this and be concerned about power consuption - it is silly

[Chickenfeed]

There has to be a reasonable power envelope somewhere which is why current standards are in place. Sure they could produce a 400 watt monster with impressive performance but there would he substantial comprises in doing so. You run into form factor limitations ( I honestly hope and don't expect to see a reference cooling solution longer than the 5970 and more than dual slot ) As it stands these high power using parts are feasible cooling wise at the current standards. Unless people suddenly become content on requiring a full tower + enclosures and a 3 slot cooling assembly, I doubt we will see any such over the top reference designs, which is why asus and the like offer their frankenstein creations to those who seek such beasts.

The way things are progressing semi conductor and design wise expect we will see dual gpu offerings disappear from one or both camps in the coming few years, that is unless a new obscene pcie certification and general tolerance for overly large products with irritating noise levels develops...

[saaya]

by that reasoning the AMD/ATI is not a monster card provider either because the 5970 was downclocked so thus only Asus is a real monster card provider...

to be honest I find it hard to compared cards like the MARS and ARES to any full production card because with only around 2000 of each produced they are not widely available for purchase. IMO card like the GTX 295 and the 9800GX2 should be called monsters, the MARS should something else...

I also find it funny that people blindly accept that AMD can do it and Nvidia can't I have used both GTX 570's and 6950/6970 and I can tell you both cards are equally as large physically but the 6970 produces MORE heat and is a good bunch louder then the GTX 570 from what I noticed.... people said Nvidia would never slap a pair of GT200b's together but look at the GTX 295...

for people to think that they will take two full GTX 580's and slap them together is plain naive neither AMD or Nvidia has ever done that. only Asus lol. but it does not change the fact that whatever each company comes out with will be a total "monster" I would however be interested to see if Nvidia play the GF114 card and take a performance hit to offer a lower heat, lower noise and lower power use card then the 6990...

Well ATI used their highest end skus on their last dual gpu cards... and the best memory available as well... calling them monster cards is debatable as well I guess... I'd say yes...
The sapphire 3 slot 4gb 5970 is def a monster card... not as much as the asus cards though...

I don't get your def of monster cards... you say nvidias cards are more hardcore cause they ship in volume? Isn't that rather an argument that they are NOT monster cards?
If f1 cars would be built on automated assembly lines in the thousands they would then be REALLY hardcore instead of losing their appeal? :P

IMO it's really simple. Which chip has better perf/watt? GF114, of course. It's already near 150W, so a little binning will do just fine. And it will still offer nice OC headroom. The battle between AMD and Nvidia here is simple: who can deliver the highest performance at 300W.

Well many people here have the will and capabilities to remove most if not all heat limitations, so its about max perf only. For those people a highly throttled dual 580 is better even if it would be slower at stock speed and cost more than a dual 560 or 570

ATI did a great job in the past building dual gpu cards that do both, fast at stock, can be mass produced, AND satisfy the demands of overclockers. Not 100% that's where asus and msi etc step in, but ATI does better than nv imo.
NVIDIA focuses less on enthusiasts when it comes to dual gpu.cards imo

TO heck with the standard -

It will be sad if they somehow ruin the potential to stay at 300w -

if that is the case then go ahead and wait for a vendor to make their own specialty version - who would buy this and be concerned about power consuption - it is silly

Hear hear! Like I said, a dual 580, heavily underclocked would be epic!
That's what ATI does, from nv I wouldn't expect this... they wouldn't sacrifice profits and stock perf to give enthusiasts some extra headroom... then again ATI did what they did cause they could... I'm curious whether the 6990 is actually going to be two fully enabled rv970s...

[Kimofil]

then they wont be able to stamp the pci-express logo on their box ...

I don't think that this logo removal stops buyers of this card

[Sn0wm@n]

I don't think that this logo removal stops buyers of this card

ok so the heck with the standards then right ... no standards = no compatible parts for us ... proprietary solutions from every company ... and this makes them cost alot more etc...


but hey your right .. having limits on things to a certain degree is bad ....


if you do think so im sure you must have an asus ares ... and an asus mars gpu or two sitting somewhere right

[saaya]

I don't think that this logo removal stops buyers of this card

There are pcie logos on vga boxes ?
Imo these cards have to work within a 300 w tdp
How much they consume when oced? Who cares...

Will pcie 3.0 bring moar powa? Does anybody know?

[Manicdan]

Will pcie 3.0 bring moar powa? Does anybody know?

i think the specs are already out, and a very disappointing no