NVIDIA GTX 595 (picture+Details)

[Sn0wm@n]

To be honest the 580 doesn't run that hot. Mine are quite a bit cooler than the 480's I was using. There new heatsink seems to be doing quite well.

but my question was about 2 580 on the same board .... how much cooling and downclocking can we expect out of those things

[ZX2Slow]

Why does anyone care about the power, heat, or stock clock speed. Only enthusiasts would purchase this card, the dollar for performance would likely make the GTX580 the nVidia card for the mainstream high performance buyers. The additional cost of a 1kW+ power supply to feed the card would also limit the amount of people who would seriously consider such a card.

Who is going to purchase a dual GF110 and leave it stock?

[=SOC= Admiral]

Exactly how much PCB space is left? Just wanted to point out that that is one full PCB. But yes its probably a dual 570 unless you clock down the chips severely.

[STEvil]

probably everyone if it ends up with VRM's like the 570's.

[MaddMuppet]

but my question was about 2 580 on the same board .... how much cooling and downclocking can we expect out of those things

That depends on what chips and cooling solution Nvidia has planned. That is if this card is real though and not something fake.

Why does anyone care about the power, heat, or stock clock speed. Only enthusiasts would purchase this card, the dollar for performance would likely make the GTX580 the nVidia card for the mainstream high performance buyers. The additional cost of a 1kW+ power supply to feed the card would also limit the amount of people who would seriously consider such a card.

Who is going to purchase a dual GF110 and leave it stock?

Exactly. If you are the kind of person that looks at power usage when buying a video card, then both the GTX590 and the ATI 6990 aren't for you. Both I would think will be at or over the 300Watt limit.

[tajoh111]

That depends on what chips and cooling solution Nvidia has planned. That is if this card is real though and not something fake.



Exactly. If you are the kind of person that looks at power usage when buying a video card, then both the GTX590 and the ATI 6990 aren't for you. Both I would think will be at or over the 300Watt limit.

If I was buying these cards, I would if anything, the more power it consumes the better with some rationality. Basically the more power these things consume, the closer these things will be to original spec. A 300 watt limit is going to castrate AMD just as much Nvidia, as the gtx 570 have similar performance and power usage.

[MaddMuppet]

If I was buying these cards, I would if anything, the more power it consumes the better with some rationality. Basically the more power these things consume, the closer these things will be to original spec. A 300 watt limit is going to castrate AMD just as much Nvidia, as the gtx 570 have similar performance and power usage.

I agree. I would like to see both using fully clocked high end chips. That would really heat things up in more than one way.
If they did, then these card should be superb performers. Here's hoping.

[Lanek]

Why does anyone care about the power, heat, or stock clock speed. Only enthusiasts would purchase this card, the dollar for performance would likely make the GTX580 the nVidia card for the mainstream high performance buyers. The additional cost of a 1kW+ power supply to feed the card would also limit the amount of people who would seriously consider such a card.

Who is going to purchase a dual GF110 and leave it stock?

The question is not who will buy them, but who will reviews them and produce them.. If you end with 375W on it and with a chips who run at 100°C average gaming, you go in trouble... Without saying the additionnal cost for a beastly cooler and all the power phase, the PCB layer for support thoses load etc etc.. All of this have a cost, a cost you will need to put in the final price... I have see a lot of 295 or 5970 users who don't even know a **** about hardware buying thoses cards, they wanted the faster and the higher price... they have the money, they buy it ( there's full of peoples on "classic "hardware forums like that )

If they use GF114. they can maintain fast clock, and high OC margin... if they use GF110, they will need reduce the core and memory speed ( less of 700mhz for the core... ) this is what ask Zallbard about performance and where will be the real fight between the 6990 and this one. if the card perform around or under 570 level, 2x 6970 with 6950 clock speed ( who close 2x 580 SLI without problem ) will surely be enough... All in one, this will be a nice fight between both cards... i will not be surprised to see quickly Evga release Superclocked 590 and why not Sapphire / Asus release faster 6990 in response then. ( can be funny to watch as this is not really mainstream market... )

AIB as Evga, Asus, can pass the limit, no problem ( Ares etc ), they provide a better cooling ( include watercooling as for the GTX295 ). But Nvidia or AMD can't ... they need to comply to certain rules ( and one is the PCI express 300W limit ).

[Pekalion]

The question is not who will buy them, but who will reviews them and produce them.. If you end with 375W on it and with a chips who run at 100°C average gaming, you go in trouble... Without saying the additionnal cost for a beastly cooler and all the power phase, the PCB layer for support thoses load etc etc.. All of this have a cost, a cost you will need to put in the final price... I have see a lot of 295 or 5970 users who don't even know a **** about hardware buying thoses cards, they wanted the faster and the higher price... they have the money, they buy it ( there's full of peoples on "classic "hardware forums like that )

If they use GF114. they can maintain fast clock, and high OC margin... if they use GF110, they will need reduce the core and memory speed ( less of 700mhz for the core... ) this is what ask Zallbard about performance and where will be the real fight between the 6990 and this one. if the card perform around or under 570 level, 2x 6970 with 6950 clock speed ( who close 2x 580 SLI without problem ) will surely be enough... All in one, this will be a nice fight between both cards... i will not be surprised to see quickly Evga release Superclocked 590 and why not Sapphire / Asus release faster 6990 in response then. ( can be funny to watch as this is not really mainstream market... )

AIB as Evga, Asus, can pass the limit, no problem ( Ares etc ), they provide a better cooling ( include watercooling as for the GTX295 ). But Nvidia or AMD can't ... they need to comply to certain rules ( and one is the PCI express 300W limit ).

If not good people like EK exists and creates some superb blocks for them

[Lanek]

If not good people like EK exists and creates some superb blocks for them

Lol i can only agree to this, with my sig.

[Pekalion]

Hey guys, in my community they are saying that the GTX 590 will be really limited because Nvidia is doing some cherry picking process to use the best GF110, and because of this the cost will blow up any pocket.

Can someone confirm this please or is just a stupid rumour?

[zalbard]

Can someone confirm this please or is just a stupid rumour?

Nobody knows, that's why it's just a rumour. Whether it's true or not, we'll soon find out, I guess.

[Pekalion]

Nobody knows, that's why it's just a rumour. Whether it's true or not, we'll soon find out, I guess.

Seems like it will end like that. I was trying to find a decent place with that very same thing said but nope, only in an underground third hand blog of my country and someone post it in mi community, I believe I should warn them to pick it like a grain of salt.

Beside of that, have you heard the same rumour?

[zalbard]

Beside of that, have you heard the same rumour?

I believe it originates from here, but I wouldn't exactly trust the source.

[saaya]

Can't believe how many people believe NVIDIA will launch a dual gf110 card... wake up guys! Dual 560 is plenty so what's the point? NVIDIA doesn't do monster cards, Asus and sapphire etc do, and asus is kinda hesitating cause they don't make that much money on those cards... the volume is tiny...

[tiborrr]

It's hard to keep being quiet and watch you people arguing about it when you know what GPUs do power these cards

[highoctane]

Can't believe how many people believe NVIDIA will launch a dual gf110 card... wake up guys! Dual 560 is plenty so what's the point? NVIDIA doesn't do monster cards, Asus and sapphire etc do, and asus is kinda hesitating cause they don't make that much money on those cards... the volume is tiny...

You should know Nvidia's mentality, winning comes first power consumption, heat & price come second.

If 560 is plenty for them then they would have launched a dual 460 based card since they had ample time to bring such a card to market.

As you mention volume is tiny at the ultra high end so why pull your punches with a dual 560. The people buying these cards want monster cards and are willing to pay the monster price. You don't win this tiny segment by offering products that are enough, you win this segment by offering products that are over the top OMG I can't believe they did it and charge for it.

This segment is about bragging rights and marketing for the manufacturer for delivering the single fastest graphics adapter which should help sell the brand in all segments.

[MaddMuppet]

Last weeks we repored about graphics circuit maker NVIDIA working on the launch of its new flagship GeForce GTX 590. With 1024 CUDA cores and dual GF110 graphics circuit it is an extreme graphics card demanding a lot from the other component, where NVIDIA only uses the finest of its GPU samples and availability will be limited.

NVIDIA had a successful launch of GeForce GTX 580 where it knocked down AMD with the new GF110 GPU that with high performance and relatively reasonable power consumption took over as the king of the market. AMD couldn't counter with a single Cayman GPU, but it still has the fastest card around with its dual-GPU Radeon HD 5970.

AMD's plan was to maintain this, for PR mostly, trump with the launch of Radeon HD 6990 "Antilles" sporting dual Cayman circuits, but NVIDIA's plan is to crash the party through an unsuspected launch of a Fermi-based graphics card with dual GPUs.

As we revealed we will be dealing with fully featured GF110 circuits with 512 CUDA active cores each. To make sure the graphics card won't go above any power consumption specifications NVIDIA has had to turn down both voltages and clock frequencies, but it has also starting sorting out the circuits at TSMC where the finest GF110 samples are removed from the belt and put on line for the flagship GeForce GTX 590.

NVIDIA wants the GF110 circuits with the least leakage to maximize the clock frequencies without power consumption skyrocketing. It comes as no surprise that GeForce GTX 590 will be in limited supply. NVIDIA has no hopes of making any real money from this monster card, but it sees an opening to whip AMD and launch what it could call the fastest card in the world - no bars.

NVIDIA's reasoning is most likely that the positive PR is going to boost sales overall.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news/7...e-gtx-590.html

[saaya]

You should know Nvidia's mentality, winning comes first power consumption, heat & price come second.

If 560 is plenty for them then they would have launched a dual 460 based card since they had ample time to bring such a card to market.

As you mention volume is tiny at the ultra high end so why pull your punches with a dual 560. The people buying these cards want monster cards and are willing to pay the monster price. You don't win this tiny segment by offering products that are enough, you win this segment by offering products that are over the top OMG I can't believe they did it and charge for it.

This segment is about bragging rights and marketing for the manufacturer for delivering the single fastest graphics adapter which should help sell the brand in all segments.

No 460 dual card cause it didn't make sense compared to a 480 and 5970
In the past NVIDIA never used their top of the line gpus on dual gpu cards... not a single time...
If they use gf110 is be surprised but it might actually work, but dual 580... that would be a first for nvidia and I just don't see it happening even with superbinned parts

[E.R]

I believe it originates from here, but I wouldn't exactly trust the source.

You are joking right.
Nordichardware is a very respected site and all make perfect sence to even make it possible to use the 580 core and not break 400W. I would agree if it was SA, fud, The Inq or other known crapsite and author happens to be a familiour Charlie we love to hate and he has made it a mission to take a crap on everything nvidia does.

[[XC] hipno650]

Can't believe how many people believe NVIDIA will launch a dual gf110 card... wake up guys! Dual 560 is plenty so what's the point? NVIDIA doesn't do monster cards, Asus and sapphire etc do, and asus is kinda hesitating cause they don't make that much money on those cards... the volume is tiny...

uh wut?

8800gtx, 9800GX2, GTX 280, GTX 295, GTX 480.... Nvidia IS monster cards... sure board partners do bigger ones like the Asus MARS or ARES but still the GTX 295 when it came out made the 4870X2 look like a small little thing in every way, performance, power consumption, heat output, noise...

[Lanek]

uh wut?

8800gtx, 9800GX2, GTX 280, GTX 295, GTX 480.... Nvidia IS monster cards... sure board partners do bigger ones like the Asus MARS or ARES but still the GTX 295 when it came out made the 4870X2 look like a small little thing in every way, performance, power consumption, heat output, noise...

You have forget RMA in your list ( it's a joke don't take it bad and surely far to be true.) But it's what i see coming with 2 GF110 untill they are clocked at 400mhz each .

Seriously, you imagine the size of this monster with 2x 550mm2 chips, heat, power consumption, the massive cooling system... and the price for produce it and sell it... I don't imagine Nvidia want sell it at the production price and don't do money with it, or their PR is going crazy.. Let's imagine it beat the 6990..at what cost ? even if it beat the 6990, it will be a win win for AMD cause the card will cost nearly same to produce of a dual 560.... far of what can cost a dual GF110, with both high performance results, AMD adjust his price and win on all aspect.

[Sn0wm@n]

tripple slot cooling fan from nvidia .. and quad slot for the whatever special omgwtfbbq special edition oc'd dual 580 aka 590???


i now can see it ... it cost over 900 ... takes up so much space .. gives out so much heat .. and needs a nuclear reactor to power up

[Karolis]

tripple slot cooling fan from nvidia .. and quad slot for the whatever special omgwtfbbq special edition oc'd dual 580 aka 590???


i now can see it ... it cost over 9000 ... takes up so much space .. gives out so much heat .. and needs a nuclear reactor to power up

Fixed

[saaya]

You are joking right.
Nordichardware is a very respected site and all make perfect sence to even make it possible to use the 580 core and not break 400W. I would agree if it was SA, fud, The Inq or other known crapsite and author happens to be a familiour Charlie we love to hate and he has made it a mission to take a crap on everything nvidia does.

i really like nordichardware, but... they have, a few times, been way off in the past when it came to vga stuff...
wouldnt even blame them, probably just bad sources, or sources seeding wrong info on purpose...

uh wut?

8800gtx, 9800GX2, GTX 280, GTX 295, GTX 480.... Nvidia IS monster cards... sure board partners do bigger ones like the Asus MARS or ARES but still the GTX 295 when it came out made the 4870X2 look like a small little thing in every way, performance, power consumption, heat output, noise...

well, let me do some googling...

all these peercentage numbers are theoretical specs, not actual performance!
but it should be around that range in actual perf as well on average...

7950gx2 was based on the 7950, not the 7900GTX 512, the fastest card at that time. compared to the latter it came downclocked by 150mhz on the core and 400mhz on the memory or 23% and 25%
a 7950gx2 consumed only 25W more than a 7900GTX
its only slightly above 100W, but nvidia didnt go higher than that since heatsinks back then werent that great (no heatpipes) and seeded psus werent that beefy...

9800gx2 was based on the 9800gt, not the 8800GTX/8800Ultra.
compared to those it came with 300mhz/666mhz lower shader clocks and 200mhz faster/160mhz slower memory clocks or 20%/44% and +11%/8% AND the 9800gx2 only had 16rops per gpu, while a 8800GTX/Ultra had 24, so thats 50% less rops per gpu for the gx2.
the 9800gx2 wasnt even based on the fastest G92 chip, the 9800gtx and 9800gtx+ were notably faster than the 9800gt bin nvidia used.
the 9800gx2 was more of a modern dual gpu card hitting TDPs of over 200W, but it was still not limited by this... it ran very hot but thats cause nvidia didnt spend as much on the heatsink as it could have.

gtx295 was based on the same chip as the 280/285 but came with a bin/gpu config of a 275 and clocked at the same speed as a 260. it came with only 4 rops less than the highest gpu config, the 280/285, only a 15% cut down, but it came clocked 25mhz/75mhz lower on the core and shader and 200mhz/500mhz lower on the memory or 5%/11% and 10%/25% respectively.
this made it the fastest dual gpu card so far, compared to the fastest single gpu card, as it wasnt as cut down as previous dual gpu cards. its bin/config was still around 20% slower than that of the highest end gpu bin/config at its time though.

lets wrap it up:
7950gx2 - based on mainstream/highend bin which was around 40% slower than nvidias highest end sku at the time
9800gx2 - based on mainstream/highend gpu+bin which was around 30% slower than nvidias highest end sku at the time
gtx295 - based on mainstream/highend gpu+bin which was around 20% slower than nvidias highest end sku at the time

so THERE!
NO! :P
nvidia NEVER did a monster card using their best and fastest gpus on a dualgpu card. not a single time!
and now nvidia has the hottest gpu on their hands in their company history that is close to the tdp spec for an add in card all on its own, and you want to tell me they will do a dual gpu card based on that, with all bells and whistles.... come on man

dual gf110 is definitely possible! but id be surprised if they did that... dual gf114 costs them less, works on simpler pcbs and can be tweaked to around the same performance within a 300W envelope as a dual gf110 card can (im guessing, but look at the perf/watt numbers) so whats the point in using a dual gf110...?

the only point would be for enthusiasts...

what id LOVE nvidia to do, is do something like ati...
make it a dual gf110 card, use crippled 110 chips and clock them down, BUT allow us to unlock those gpus to full 512sps and overclock it...
now that would be an EPIC card!

but i highly doubt nvidia would do that...
they want to have the fastest stock card... and for that gf114 x 2 is just as good as dual gf110... actually worse, cause gf114 is cheaper

they could still go for dual gf110 because while at stock it would probably be as fast as dual gf114 when crippled to fit in 300W, when overclocked, a dual gf110 would probably be a tad faster than a dual gf114 card, even if the gf110 is crippled gpu wise and it cant be unlocked...