Crysis 2 being re-designed for GTX580

[Carfax]

Funny how Crysis runs so well on AMD's current offerings and seems to be a thorn in Nvidia's side. The 5870 and GTX 480 seems to be neck and neck in Crysis performance, which is almost laughable 4 years later.

LOL you must be smoking some powerful my friend

The GTX 480 and the 5870 are definitely not neck and neck in Crysis..

Look at the minimum framerate, the GTX 480 slaughters the 5870. The difference is even more pronounced in multi GPU mode.

Point is, you get a much better gaming experience in Crysis on Fermi class GPUs. The game will be significantly smoother due to the steadier framerate.

[defect9]

this thread makes me lol so much

[Sn0wm@n]

another kit guru fail thread

[JH_man]

Who cares about any Crysis games? They are boring 'tech demoes'.
Nvidia is really scared it seems like, and they should be...
AMD just released cheap medium spec cards, and got more faster ones comming soon. All nvidia has to show for is a boosted old design, since I bet 580 is just cherry picked 480s...

JH_man

[Amorphous]

Yes, Crysis was developed on 8800GTX's. What were the other options again? That's right, crap.

Strange how soon you guys forgot about Crysis. Take a look at this slide from back in the day. So it's really no surprise.

[kuroikenshi]

Yes, Crysis was developed on 8800GTX's. What were the other options again? That's right, crap.

LOL this is so funny yet so true, what a milestone of a card was the 8800GTX

[RejZoR]

The whole tessellation nonsense is ridiculous. They brag so much about it, but when i've run AvP with DX11 features enabled, i couldn't see any useful tessellation. Weapons were still having square edges, railings outside were still horrifically low poly etc etc. One would expect that tessellation would improve all this when looking at them up close, yet it doesn't. So what's the point of it? Churning polygons on stuff where polybump mapping does an equally good job and 90% of ppl can't tell the difference while everything is in motion? Lol.

[Svnth]

The whole tessellation nonsense is ridiculous. They brag so much about it, but when i've run AvP with DX11 features enabled, i couldn't see any useful tessellation. Weapons were still having square edges, railings outside were still horrifically low poly etc etc. One would expect that tessellation would improve all this when looking at them up close, yet it doesn't. So what's the point of it? Churning polygons on stuff where polybump mapping does an equally good job and 90% of ppl can't tell the difference while everything is in motion? Lol.

You're not going to see the ground up implementations for a year or two. It requires fundamental art pipeline changes to make the meshes at low poly counts and let the hardware tessellate it into the proper form. All current implementations are the icing on the cake style of tessellation. The reason is that all current games already had their artists set up to make high poly count meshes in maya and max and they just use the model directly. Why would they go backwards and reduce the initial poly count to show better benefit from tessellation? The bottom line is the more ground-up the implementation is.. the more integrated into the artist pipeline and engine it is from the start, the more it will show benefits.

You will ideally see the number of polys be scaled from one low poly source mesh upwards, (based on geometry horsepower of the GPU), instead of shipping multiple LOD versions of each mesh.

[RejZoR]

Then they are missing the whole point of tessellation all together. Tesselation is just an advanced form of mesh LOD. Applied to everything. The point of doing it is have incredible detail up close and still have high performance, high framerate in game scenery. So in my case, i'd get proper round railings, super detailed facial expressions, detailed weapons and still have high framerate when all these things are out of detail view, meaning that i can't really tell the difference between 500 poly and 5000 poly because of the distance i'm viewing those objects from. Mesh LOD did exactly the same thing with only difference that it was usually in 3 steps. Low poly mesh, normal mesh and high poly mesh. And they simply switched based on view distance. Most of the time you were able to see the shift, something where tessealtion has an edge with progressive change so you can't see that either.

What they are doing now is having a base high detail model and churning even more polygons on top of that. Result? Even slower perfoemance with no visual improvement because we can't tell apaprt the high poly models anyway. But they still aren't high poly enough (railings in my case) or tessellation isn't even applied to that...

[herderien]

is there any contest about how many thread with "GTX580" in its title you can open in the "news" section ?

can i open one guessing how much plastic there is in the GTX580 cooler compared to 6870 or GTX480 ?

[[XC] Oj101]

Can't we please can KitGuru as a source?

[Eagleclaw]

The thing I came away from reading this was. "when it launches (several months after March)"

lol May, June 2011?

I want the 5 mins it took me to read this thread back!

[Svnth]

Then they are missing the whole point of tessellation all together. Tesselation is just an advanced form of mesh LOD. Applied to everything. The point of doing it is have incredible detail up close and still have high performance, high framerate in game scenery. So in my case, i'd get proper round railings, super detailed facial expressions, detailed weapons and still have high framerate when all these things are out of detail view, meaning that i can't really tell the difference between 500 poly and 5000 poly because of the distance i'm viewing those objects from. Mesh LOD did exactly the same thing with only difference that it was usually in 3 steps. Low poly mesh, normal mesh and high poly mesh. And they simply switched based on view distance. Most of the time you were able to see the shift, something where tessealtion has an edge with progressive change so you can't see that either.

What they are doing now is having a base high detail model and churning even more polygons on top of that. Result? Even slower perfoemance with no visual improvement because we can't tell apaprt the high poly models anyway. But they still aren't high poly enough (railings in my case) or tessellation isn't even applied to that...

Eh no. Tessellation from a lower poly base model lets you have your cake and eat it too, because you get scalable LOD *and* way less cpu overhead of feeding each individual triangle to the hardware. Now you feed a fraction of them and let the dedicated hardware fill in the gaps. The point is you're offloading a task from a generalized cpu to a specialized processor with fixed function hardware which can do the work more efficiently. In the end without tessellation it doesn't make sense to have the higher levels of geometry because its too taxing on the cpu.

Don't forget also real geometric detail means real lighting and shadow detail with respect to the geometry... something hack methods like bumpmapping (simulating geometry) can't offer.

[flopper]

580gtx and crysis 2 will rock.
AMD is a low budget manufucturer with horrible marketing.
of course Nvidia will own them big time.

[zalbard]

AMD is a low budget manufucturer with horrible marketing.
of course Nvidia will own them big time.

Fanboy much? Funny how 5xxx cards of 'low budget manufucturer' owned Nvidia's offers for 6 months, huh? The irony.

[Iconyu]

Fanboy much? Funny how 5xxx cards of 'low budget manufucturer' owned Nvidia's offers for 6 months, huh? The irony.

He was aiming for that.

[marten_larsson]

Fanboy much? Funny how 5xxx cards of 'low budget manufucturer' owned Nvidia's offers for 6 months, huh? The irony.

I would rather guess he's being sarcastic. Flopper is quite pro-AMD, at least he has been in the past. Also, he's running a Eyefinity-setup. Also, if GTX580 is Ferim@512 CC + increased clocks, I don't see how it will stomp Cayman which should be more powerful than Cypress...

[zalbard]

I would rather guess he's being sarcastic. Flopper is quite pro-AMD, at least he has been in the past. Also, he's running a Eyefinity-setup. Also, if GTX580 is Ferim@512 CC + increased clocks, I don't see how it will stomp Cayman which should be more powerful than Cypress...

I can't tell.
In any case, I think Cayman will be slightly better, at least price/perf wise.

[spursindonesia]

Flopper is harping his anti jinx instrument, no worry, or perhaps taken hostage by a green bat thug somewhere, forced to write those kinda unflattering comments toward AMD. Or perhaps he tried to incite the emotion of AMD card tester so there would be more leaks coming our way.

[Lanek]

KitGuru is really not reliable, that's for sure...

But it's not really like it's the first time we see this ... look LP2, HawX2, and im sure there's again some more games developped for Nvidia who will come soon...

Anyway if Crysis2 was initially developped for run a bit better with this version of the CryEngine ... i think we are back to a 25fps game with the GTX580 or 6970 lol ...

[Calmatory]

Original CryENGINE was just a tech demo made by Crytek for Nvidia. It turned to FarCry later on. Same asslicking continued with Crysis. So expect to have not-so-great code running on your GPU.

Both Nvidia and Crytek fail big time.

[Pantsu]

The GTX 480 and the 5870 are definitely not neck and neck in Crysis..

http://www.news4it.it/images/stories...580A_copia.jpg

[B-Shot]

Can I play it on the 460 SE(Super Elite)/455 FTW/460 Green edition or whatever it is?
Comon give ket a break, when he smokes his breakfast and looks int his crystal ball and shares his dreams with us, he is almost as accurate as the psychic hotline.

[Rava6e]

Why a game developer would do this, i have no idea. Will this cause them to lose 2 mill in revenue? I dont know, but i know that i will not be paying for this game as i got ATI. Perhaps alot of other ATI people will also not pay for this, making the revenue for the game less. Would be fun to have a parallel universe where the developer didnt take the 2 mil, and compare the 2 end results hehe.

[Rai]

LOL you must be smoking some powerful my friend

The GTX 480 and the 5870 are definitely not neck and neck in Crysis..

Look at the minimum framerate, the GTX 480 slaughters the 5870. The difference is even more pronounced in multi GPU mode.

Point is, you get a much better gaming experience in Crysis on Fermi class GPUs. The game will be significantly smoother due to the steadier framerate.

Somehow with Fermi failing in every other department, minimums are now all the rage with certain users. That's a single data point, you need graphs like HardOCP to check how badly each card is fluctuating. If the 5870 had very low minimums time and again that would drag the average down. Graphs will show the minimum as well as the overall trend in fps which is a lot more useful than a single data point. It also really depends on which review you sight, here the 5870 is ahead.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N..._Fermi/10.html