AMD Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 confirmed to be launched on 22.10.2010

[Bobsama]

As far as the rumors go it sounds like people think the 6870 will be roughly as fast as the 5870. And according to the Holland prices it will be the same price. So, basically we're looking at same performance for the same price. XD

I can't wait to get real figures.

Same performance, much lower power draw. Sort of like HD3850-->HD4670.

[Xope_Poquar]

Same performance, much lower power draw. Sort of like HD3850-->HD4670.

Which is great, but people are far more likely to buy the card because it has a bigger number rather than it being more efficient.

[Aten-Ra]

Same performance, much lower power draw. Sort of like HD3850-->HD4670.

If those slides are AMD genuine then BARTS performance is below 5870 (between 460 and 5850) and at the same time it has more than 150W when 5850 has 151W. I don’t see where BARTS has much lower power consumption than Evergreen.

[BeepBeep2]

^that image is gonna show up on fudzilla somehow, where some idiot whos name starts with C and rhymes with narlie, is gong to say it takes 1275W to power that gpu

NO.

KitGuru is much more likely

PCIe power connectors on the side of the AMD card. And i thought i'll never see anything like this.

Are you serious? Even the 4870X2 had PCI-E on the side of the card.

[Movieman]

Does this mean I will be kicking myself for just buying a 5970 card?

[Xope_Poquar]

Not until the 6970 comes out.

[munim]

I can't be the only person that thinks this sucks. What about the enthusiast that doesn't care about power draw and wants something FASTER.

[BeepBeep2]

I can't be the only person that thinks this sucks. What about the enthusiast that doesn't care about power draw and wants something FASTER.

We're all overclocking capable correct?

If power draw is down and these cards overclock like mad, then we have no problem.

[kuroikenshi]

Does this mean I will be kicking myself for just buying a 5970 card?

not until a high end 6970 comes out, and by then I will be willing to buy out your 5970 for some nice x-fire goodness

[Baron_Davis]

As much as I love power, I also love value cards that run cool, OC well, and are cheap enough to buy 3.

Despite the retarded naming scheme, I have a feeling these new cards will be

[safan80]

check this out

http://www.guru3d.com/news/radeon-hd...ntally-listed/

Every time, the same accident happens. Someone, somewhere, lists the cards before their official release debut. Hehe, well this time it’s a Dutch etailer called Informatique.nl that got listed Radeon HD 6850 and Radeon HD 6870 at 190€ and 255€ respectively. It means that HD6850 is price wise placed in between GTX460 768MB and GTX 460 1GB, while HD6870 seems to outperform almost every GTX460 on the market – at least using Futuremark’s 3DMark benchmark. The other one, HD5870 seems to be the missing link that found between 5850 and 5870, priced and placed one step higher than GTX460 1GB.

We can’t wait to review these babies and then decide which is the most value for money solution for your gaming rig. For the time being, GTX460 still holds the 160 Euros spot, which is a nice clever and affordable price for most of the users out ther

[[XC] hipno650]

Another angle

maybe im crazy but am I the only one who noticed the fact that there is only one Crossfire X connector on this card which is obviously pointing to a Barts part. now what im really confused about is why everyone thinks this card will be so great because to me a few things just don't add up. The first being how this card offers similar performance to a 5850 (maybe a little faster) while using the same amount of power for the same price and NOT offering Triple Crossfire solutions.... would some one please explain to me why this card is better than a 5850 for the most part.... and to who ever thinks that this will be faster than a 5870 please pass me some of what your smoking..... it has less shadders, way less TMU's, less mem bandwidth and pretty much the same clock speed....

as to the naming, I was really liking what AMD was doing with their naming, it was easy to understand and made sense, but this, this is bad, just plain bad. if it's not faster don't call it faster... seems simple enough, at least the renamed nvidia cards were the same performance not SLOWER.

so unless im missing something I don't see what all the fuss is about...

[kuroikenshi]

its done because Barts only supports dual card crossfire X.
Cayman will support quad card crossfirex

[zanzabar]

its done because Barts only supports dual card crossfire X.
Cayman will support quad card crossfirex

thats just the pcb, it should do 4 cards if u have some1 that makes a 2 bridge card or an x2, but ether way do u realy want more than 2 cards for anything but benching were u would not use a barts chip anyways

[zerazax]

maybe im crazy but am I the only one who noticed the fact that there is only one Crossfire X connector on this card which is obviously pointing to a Barts part. now what im really confused about is why everyone thinks this card will be so great because to me a few things just don't add up. The first being how this card offers similar performance to a 5850 (maybe a little faster) while using the same amount of power for the same price and NOT offering Triple Crossfire solutions.... would some one please explain to me why this card is better than a 5850 for the most part.... and to who ever thinks that this will be faster than a 5870 please pass me some of what your smoking..... it has less shadders, way less TMU's, less mem bandwidth and pretty much the same clock speed....

as to the naming, I was really liking what AMD was doing with their naming, it was easy to understand and made sense, but this, this is bad, just plain bad. if it's not faster don't call it faster... seems simple enough, at least the renamed nvidia cards were the same performance not SLOWER.

so unless im missing something I don't see what all the fuss is about...

First of all.... new architecture. None of the numbers you read for specs matter, because its their first new architecture since R600

Second, naming wise, things change... when the 7 series comes out, few might even remember what things were once named. It appears AMD/ATI is going back to making powerful single GPU solutions with the Cayman / 6900 series... had AMD never named the 5870X2 the 5970, people wouldnt think as much about it

[JAWS]

As much as I love power, I also love value cards that run cool, OC well, and are cheap enough to buy 3.

Despite the retarded naming scheme, I have a feeling these new cards will be

[IMG]

Agree with value cards statement. I can't tell you how many times I've almost bought the 460 GTX in the last month. Would be my first Nvidia card since 8800gts. I love the fact it's cheap, low power, and overclocks.

5850 has been just out of my price range.

Honestly I don't know why AMD would name a card 6870 if it lacks a REAL performance increase.

[kuroikenshi]

that's right, for anything else. use cayman...
Also to answer your Question Hypno..... ahh, more and bigger don't mean perf... as displayed by GF100, having more on the same die does not necessarily mean the card will perform better.

[spursindonesia]

Over at B3d, they calculated out the SP's are likely to be 800/960 for Pro/XT Barts respectively... impressive if 800/960 can get the card to close to the 1440/1600 Cypress parts. I can't even imagine what Cayman can do..

Considering Cayman is almost a double of Bart outside of ROP & buswidth, within less than 400 mm^2 limit, i think Cayman specs would be 1920 SP, 32 ROP. Might not be twice as fast as Bart, but on average, i think we can expect it to be around 60-70% faster, so the leaked 12 K Vantage Xtreme score seems justified & correct.

As far as the rumors go it sounds like people think the 6870 will be roughly as fast as the 5870. And according to the Holland prices it will be the same price. So, basically we're looking at same performance for the same price. XD

I can't wait to get real figures.

The Holland prices are preorder prices. Do you ever know preorder prices that are rationally & justifiably priced ?

I can't be the only person that thinks this sucks. What about the enthusiast that doesn't care about power draw and wants something FASTER.

Err, Cayman in November ???

[Baron_Davis]

Honestly I don't know why AMD would name a card 6870 if it lacks a REAL performance increase.

Tell me about it...

[jimbo75]

Agree with value cards statement. I can't tell you how many times I've almost bought the 460 GTX in the last month. Would be my first Nvidia card since 8800gts. I love the fact it's cheap, low power, and overclocks.

Don't confuse low power with "lower than GF100 power".

[bamtan2]

If those slides are AMD genuine then BARTS performance is below 5870 (between 460 and 5850) and at the same time it has more than 150W when 5850 has 151W. I don’t see where BARTS has much lower power consumption than Evergreen.

are you out of your tree? where did they say the clock speeds?

the new chip can be clocked to perform more or less or the same as existing chips.

does anyone here think the clock speeds will happen by accident? if 6870 comes out and beats 5870 on half the benchmarks, and loses on the other half, does anyone think that will be an accident?

[BeepBeep2]

thats just the pcb, it should do 4 cards if u have some1 that makes a 2 bridge card or an x2, but ether way do u realy want more than 2 cards for anything but benching were u would not use a barts chip anyways

That's definately not true. I'd love tri-fire barts. But I don't think I'll buy them just because of how retarded the naming scheme is. I will wait for Cayman.

[tajoh111]

Don't confuse low power with "lower than GF100 power".

It low power for a next generation 68xx series from AMD. I can easily suspect the 5850 pricing being true. E.g 259 for a 5870, I kind of predicted it. Way too high for a 6770 series, so it understandable why AMD shifted it as a higher product.

[BeepBeep2]

Well, I still dont think this naming was right.

6770 and 6830 would have been good. That would leave Cayman room at 6850 and 6870, putting Antilles at 6970 or 6950. Leaving renamed 5770's as 6750 and renamed 5750's to 6730.

IMO, that would have been much better than this.

[tbone8ty]

frankly i dont care about the naming of the card, i care about price and performance....and i get why there doing it, their just moving it up a number basically so they can charge more for the whole series.

people need to stop complaining about the naming, its all Ive heard in these threads. waaaaah

the 6870 looks sexy and for $250 its an awesome deal with the improved efficiency and smaller die. just wait for cayman XT its gonna be a sweet card which will be much deserved of the 9 series naming.