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    Amd compare HD6870 with HD5850 for general performance "in game" and power, and with HD5870 for tessellation performance.

    Yes, +35% performance/mm^2, HD6870 vs HD5850, but don't forget 900Mhz vs 725Mhz.

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    seems that AMD is going to make quite a money with these new series
    ...maybe thats what they were really after with the 68xx series,not so much to best the 5870.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zerazax View Post
    Interesting, so they really went for 14 SIMD's? Weird, since 1280 would be a more round number (320x4 or 240x5). Actually, that makes it still confusing, since it can be 14 x 16 x 5 or 14 x 20 x 4.
    I have strong reason to believe that Barts is 5VLIW and Cayman 4VLIW.

    Quote Originally Posted by AAbenson View Post
    seems that AMD is going to make quite a money with these new series
    ...maybe thats what they were really after with the 68xx series,not so much to best the 5870.
    I tought it was obvious as Cayman is the part to get perfomance crown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zerazax View Post
    If those prices at $179 and $239 are true... then more than 35% cheaper.

    We're talking GTX470/5850 performance at $239 and > GTX 460 1GB performance at $179. Nvidia's margins are going to be in a world of hurt
    Average price of the reference HD 5850 memory at 4.0 = $260, not taking the rebates into account. This is the same price AMD started last year at launch. So I would assume 35% cheaper than $260. So $260 - 35% which is $91. $260 - 91 = $169.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...E&PageSize=100

    Is this going to happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by radaja View Post
    so are they launching BD soon or a comic book?

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    Looks like the 6950/6970 and 6990 are going to be the official names

    From that slide too, they played the 6950 > 5870 pretty clearly (though you shouldn't take too much stock in relative placements, I suppose). But that's good news, since that seems like the 6970 will be a 5970 performance in single GPU form... and lord knows how much power the 6990 will have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metroid View Post
    Average price of the reference HD 5850 memory at 4.0 = $260, not taking the rebates into account. This is the same price AMD started last year at launch. So I would assume 35% cheaper than $260. So $260 - 35% which is $91. $260 - 91 = $169.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...E&PageSize=100

    Is this going to happen?
    Market prices and the card's relative performance are going to dictate that of course. The 5850, it turns out, was pretty underpriced on release (as was the 4800's). And AMD isn't exactly a charity here, and since Nvidia isn't doing much to compete, it ends up that AMD gets to dictate where they stand this round
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    Those last slide are interesting, AMD stating HD6850 being anywhere from 10 - 60% (~25% avg) faster except for Vantage obviously compared to GTX 460 768MB, so it should be like 10~15% faster in avg compared to 1GB version which would be in-line with my own speculation.

    HD6870 being 25~30% avg faster than GTX 460 1GB, that is enough to put it around GTX 470 levels / in-between HD5850 & HD5870? With some OCing we're prolly looking at HD5870 performance or slightly above it which would be fairly acceptable for a ~$250 card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
    Those last slide are interesting, AMD stating HD6850 being anywhere from 10 - 60% (~25% avg) faster except for Vantage obviously compared to GTX 460 768MB, so it should be like 10~15% faster in avg compared to 1GB version which would be in-line with my own speculation.

    HD6870 being 25~30% avg faster than GTX 460 1GB, that is enough to put it around GTX 470 levels / in-between HD5850 & HD5870?
    Yep



    Also, a key slide as to why the naming scheme changed. ATI pretty much decided Cypress couldn't cover the markets, so it was split in two. Antilles is going to be a beast


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    I suppose this is the explanation AMD gives for the renaming. 5800 wasn't in the "sweet spot", like 4800-series. So 6800 would now be in the same category as 4800-series, which really was relatively small and cheap and battled against GTX 260.
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    Hopefully at least some1 is able to make a review of the following cards GTX 460 1GB, HD6850, GTX 470, HD5850, HD6870 and HD5870 with some OC results incl as well for Barts, that had been perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantsu View Post
    I suppose this is the explanation AMD gives for the renaming. 5800 wasn't in the "sweet spot", like 4800-series. So 6800 would now be in the same category as 4800-series, which really was relatively small and cheap and battled against GTX 260.
    Yeah it makes sense, though its not renaming. Kind of like how the 3800's were intended to fight the non-GTX cards, and the 4800's targeted the 260's, the 6800's are back to targeting the 460/470.

    Of course, that makes it interesting because that means that AMD has decided to go ahead and fight for the single GPU crown again with Cayman and the 6900 series...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
    Those last slide are interesting, AMD stating HD6850 being anywhere from 10 - 60% (~25% avg) faster except for Vantage obviously compared to GTX 460 768MB, so it should be like 10~15% faster in avg compared to 1GB version which would be in-line with my own speculation.

    HD6870 being 25~30% avg faster than GTX 460 1GB, that is enough to put it around GTX 470 levels / in-between HD5850 & HD5870? With some OCing we're prolly looking at HD5870 performance or slightly above it which would be fairly acceptable for a ~$250 card.
    Hey, these bench items are different between two slides, even the bench settings are different. Cherry pick results??

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeiT.235 View Post
    Hey, these bench items are different between two slides, even the bench settings are different. Cherry pick results??
    Why would they include FarCry2 then for example? I think this time it looks quite fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantsu View Post
    i suppose this is the explanation amd gives for the renaming. 5800 wasn't in the "sweet spot", like 4800-series. So 6800 would now be in the same category as 4800-series, which really was relatively small and cheap and battled against gtx 260.
    What renaming!

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    Did we have a naked HD6850 yet?


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    I have seen these slides before.

    By the slides, 6850 30% > 460 768MB, 6870 25% > 460 1GB.

    460 768MB = $179 + 30% = 6850
    460 1GB = $229 + 25% = 6870

    Okay, so why will AMD release the 6870? The slides show that 6850 > 460 1GB, maybe for the GF112.

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    I guess this goes to show you, 3dmark scores aren't really indicative of anything.
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    If i read this slide correctly, THERE WILL BE NO RENAMING, 57x0 will retain its name.


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    This looks like a rather profitable lineup if you ask me, especially since NVIDIA doesn't have anything to counter it with for quite a while. HD57xx series staying as the lowend / lowcost series that should be very cheap to manufacture and a strong and complete lineup from Barts to Antilles which Nvidia will have no response for other than doing pricecuts which will hurt their margins even more. Looks like it sux to be Nvidia atm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FischOderAal View Post
    Did we have a naked HD6850 yet?

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    Very pretty. Would be nice to run it naked

    Quote Originally Posted by RaV[666] View Post
    If i read this slide correctly, THERE WILL BE NO RENAMING, 57x0 will retain its name.

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    Does this chip have any parts disabled? I know all the rumors were putting it at 1280 SP is all. Never heard much of anything for a 1120 SP part till now. Fud (I know I know) said it was still a 5D part. I don't know where the hell he pulled that one out. I haven't seen anything stating that yet.

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    From the slide i put above we can estimate cayman performance too.AMD did positioned them accordingly, 5870 is ABOVE 6870.
    6970 is looking to be same amount lower than 5970, so it should be a bit faster than 480 but not much.512SP version MAY match it.

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    Those performance slides are good example of how people can be manipulated by simply cutting the 0-0.8 part from the bottom and visually it seems like 6870 is about 100% faster than GTX460. If Geforce would be notably faster in any bench it would ruin this scheme totally. You can naturally leave those kind of benchs away from the slide.

    Nevertheless it seems that 6870 and 6850 will be excellent products if the price is right
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