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    Hi Guys,

    Seeing as we now have several threads about these boards and lots of the same questions are being asked I thought it'd be a good idea to try to consolidate what people need to know to get these things up and crunching.

    I spent the morning re-reading the various threads picking out choice bits of info. I tried quoting each bit but it looked a mess. So instead I've just listed each post at the bottom. This is a work in progress. I don't have mine up and running yet so if you think I've goofed up or missed something please do point it out and I'll update this post


    What are the Specs?

    Arima AMD Opteron Quad Core Socket F 3000 series
    16" x 13" (41cm x 33cm for you metrics ;p)
    240 pin DIMM DDR2 Memory Slot with 1.8 V.
    1 x PCI Slot 60 pins (11+49)
    Second slot has 82 pins (11+71)
    8 x SATA Connections
    2 x SATA Media Connections
    40GCMG020-D400-100
    4 x Ethernet Ports
    2 x USB



    As you can see from that picture the board is sideways when compared to standard SSI-MEB boards. As such it's either case less or build one from scratch.


    What PPD can I expect?

    According to Vapor's prediction thread quad Barcas average around 15.2 WCG points per mhz.

    8347 1.9ghz 1900*15.2= 28,880
    8350 2.0ghz 2000*15.2= 30,400
    8354 2.2ghz 2200*15.2= 33,440
    8356 2.3ghz 2300*15.2= 34,960

    8358 SE 2.5ghz 2500*15.2= 38,000
    8360 SE 2.6ghz 2600*15.2= 39,520

    For reference;

    Bloomfield @ 4.0ghz = 4000*8.8 = 35,200

    Divide the above by 7 for BOINC points.


    How much is this gonna cost?

    I could only find pawmadsen's breakdown of his cost for the arima;

    "cpu's: 4 x 27.50$ = 110$
    board = 100$ will be 75 for the 3 other ones.
    8gb ram 16 x 5$ = 80$
    80 gb hdd = 0$ i have plenty of these.
    psu = 145$ for a new corsair hx 650 watt in Denmark.
    heat sinks 4 x 10$ = 40$
    retention brackets 4 x 3$ = 12$

    total is around 487$ plus shipping"


    CPU prices have gone up since that post. Keep an eye on this thread in case a good deal crops up.

    To give a comparison here is my cost so far (I'm in the UK)

    CPU's 8356 x 4 = £151.00 (~$233.22) I think pawmadsen's were 8347 hence the price jump.
    Board (not bought in bulk) = £105.00 (~$162.17)
    Ram 16 x 512mb = £40.00 (~$61.78)
    PSU (650 Corsair) = £72.00 (~$113.15)
    PSU connectors = £16.70 (~$26.24 - Customs )

    Total including shipping = £384.70 (~$604.63)


    As another comparison Skycrane build similar setup using a Tyan board;

    "299 for the tyan mobo from the egg
    250 for the optis (8356's)
    80 for a pcc 750 recert psu there is a thread in online deals for this
    100 for 4 hsf, from the egg
    150 or so for 8 gigs of ecc ddr2. from ebay"

    That's $879.


    So what do I need to get the board up and working?

    Powering the board

    You might have noticed on the picture above the power connectors. That's a 16 & 18 pin plug. You do not need a psu with these connectors just the correct adapters. The board requires three EPS & one PCIe. The PCIe needs to be backwards. Just force it in, it will eventually fit.



    Note that the 18 plug has the last four pins empty.

    Here is where I bought my connectors from Link
    Remember, you only need two if your psu has an 8pin

    What psu will I need?

    The general consensus is to use a single rail psu. Something like a Corsair TX750W is more than enough to power the cpu's alone.
    It is possible to run with a multi rail psu. Just be sure not to mix rails between plugs.

    What's the power consumption?

    Skycrane's 8356's on his Tyan pulls 450w with a kill-a-watt.

    Shoota's 8347's, laptop hdd, Ati rage pci card, and two 120x38mm Delta's pulls 400w. PSU 80+ antec.

    Sparky's 8347 CPUs, 4x2GB RAM, 6 radiator fans, a D5 pump, PCIe ATI X550 video card, SATA hard drive, and a SATA DVD drive pulls between 360 - 400w. PSU Antec Truepower New 750W PSU.

    What heat sinks will I need?

    First things first you will need retention brackets to secure any heat sink to the board. Something such as this Link. It is only the top part you should be interested in as the board has its own back plates. It does, however, require a bit of modding to make it fit.
    Here's what pawmadsen did using a craft knife;







    Now you can use something like the following;
    http://cgi.ebay.com/CPU-Athlon-64-AD...item3a54715c14
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103087
    http://cgi.ebay.com/CPU-Athlon-64-AD...item3a54715c14
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103075
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103087
    http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=21430


    What RAM does the board take?

    ECC Reg DDR-2

    karbonkid linked the following to be pasted into eBay;

    (pc2*,ddr2*,6400,5300,pc6400,pc5300) (ecc,reg*) -(non*,full*,fb*,pc2100*,pc2700*,pc233,pc266)

    Again I would keep an eye on the RAM & Opti thread as well.


    Anything else?

    You need a sata dvd drive connected to stat20 or a usb boot "acpi" drive and a sata hard drive connected anywhere else.

    As the board has no onboard video you'll need either a single slot gpu or a dual with the end cut off as it will be obscured by the power and reset switches.





    Setting up

    Step 1
    You need to fill CPU0, and CPU0_DIMM1~4 to boot.
    It is possible to boot with only the blue dimms populated. (2x 2gb)

    Step 2
    Turn on the psu by jumping a black and green wire on the 24 pin with a paperclip. Cover the end with electrical tape to be safe.
    You will need an OS with 16 core support such as Ubuntu 9.10 or AMD64.

    Step 3
    During the boot press and hold Del to enter the bios.
    Go to boot option and change Priority 1 to either Dvd-rom or Thumb drive USB.
    Save and exit



    Step 4
    Shutdown the machine
    Connect the hard drive in sata20
    Turn on the machine and enter the bios again
    Change "hard drive priority BBS" to "hard drive xxxgb"
    Change boot priority 1 for "hard drive xxxgb"
    Save and exit

    The OS should start. If not recheck acpi settings in bios / installer

    If you are using Ubuntu update the OS and enable sensors with "sudo apt-get install lm-sensors.
    Install GKrellM System Monitor, System Profiler to see reported temps.
    Install Cpu Frequency Monitor to force the CPU at full speed for benchmarks.


    Installing BOINC using the Terminal

    In case you are a Linux noob like myself here is how to install BOINC using the terminal.

    Open a terminal session and type;
    sudo aptitude install boinc-client boinc-manager

    You can then start the BOINC Manager from the pull-down menu Applications -> System Tools -> BOINC Manager.

    To uninstall type;
    sudo aptitude remove boinc-manager boinc-client

    It's as simple as that.

    Follow Angmaar's guide for the rest of the BOINC & WCG setup. And Otis' if you'll be putting a card on the grid.

    Crunch on Guy's


    Questions

    Q: Does the board work with only one cpu?
    A: Yes

    Q: How hot does the chipset get? Is the passive cooler enough or should I strap a fan to it?
    A: It gets hot and needs at least some minor airflow

    Q: I'm lazy - isn't there a complete setup I can buy?
    A: Yes there is, but it's not cheap £540.30 = $849.00 not including ram Link

    Q: I want to run GPU DC's too but those capacitors and sata connectors look like they'll be in the way. How big a card can I fit on this?
    A: The distance from the board edge to the large capacitor is around 10" (~26cm)

    Here is a picture of my mum modeling a GTX 275 and a tape measure.



    As you can see it is a little too long. A pcie riser card such as this may do the trick. It also might mean that the end bracket is not obscured by the power switch.

    Source

    243, 917, 505, 1192, 1176, 1177, 490, 60, 366, 1034, 79, 1036, http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Insta...OINC_on_Ubuntu
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    great thread man super useful!
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    Make it a sticky as there will be more Arimas floating around!
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    Thanks guy's. Again all I've done is consolidate what everyone else has already found out. It just took a bloody long time is all
    Hopefully once mine is online I'll be able to add a few things here and there such as 8356 power consumption on the Arima vs Skycranes, onboard raid etc...
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    Thank you very, very much!

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    I can tell you mine pulls 400w with 8347's, a laptop hdd, Ari rage pci card, and two 120x38mm Delta jet engines. Powered by an 80+ antec. I imagine it would be possible to get under 400w easily with the right components
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    Cheers Shoota. I've updated with your specs.
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    I'm just throwing this out there, something I found when I thought I had some bad RAM (I didn't thankfully) - You can run this board with just the two blue memory slots populated on CPU0. So if it is saving money to get 2 sticks instead of 4, that should work just fine.

    Mine runs anywhere between 360W to 400W depending on the current work units. This is with 4x 8347 CPUs, 4x2GB RAM, watercooled, with 6 radiator fans, a D5 pump, PCIe ATI X550 video card, SATA hard drive, and a SATA DVD drive, running off an Antec Truepower New 750W PSU.
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    Interesting info there Sparky.

    Do you think there will be a minimum ram required to boot? I take it that your two sticks were 2x 2gb.

    I have 16x 512mb sticks so I'll put this to the test once I've got the rest of my kit. Unless someone beats me to it ;p

    Edit: Also Sparky isn't your psu a multi rail?
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    Not sure about minimum RAM, that would be interesting to find out. I suspect if there is a minimum, it is a minimum per stick.

    Yes, my PSU is multi rail. I think the trick to using a multi-rail PSU on this board is making sure you use the same rail per connector. So the 16 pin plug should be all one rail, the 14 pin plug (well 18 but you only use 14) on another rail for example. Don't mix rails on the same plug.
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    Is this the best $ / ppd system at the moment?

    Are there alternatives that might use less power?
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    Wow Sparky 400w tops with that setup? I wonder how many watts my two Delta fans use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AceNZ View Post
    Is this the best $ / ppd system at the moment?

    Are there alternatives that might use less power?
    Good question!

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    Mine has been running 22 days now without a restart I'm running the 8350's. Below is what mine does every 3 days.

    9/5/10 0:019:02:17:37 43,208 65
    9/4/10 0:017:09:25:25 37,775 75
    9/3/10 0:016:16:08:44 38,845 66

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoota View Post
    Wow Sparky 400w tops with that setup? I wonder how many watts my two Delta fans use?
    Depends. I've seen some deltas rated to pull a whopping 16W each although, those would be the ones that scream at 8000RPM and generate a windstorm in the house

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    Excellent job at putting all the info together! I've been waiting for something like this.

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    Question?

    What OS is required with this motherboard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Maximus View Post
    Question?

    What OS is required with this motherboard?
    We heard that Windows Server 2008 or Windows 7 might work, but no one as gotten them to work yet. You're looking at Ubuntu right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retro77 View Post
    We heard that Windows Server 2008 or Windows 7 might work, but no one as gotten them to work yet. You're looking at Ubuntu right now.
    Well, looks like I'm gonna need to study some more

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Maximus View Post
    Well, looks like I'm gonna need to study some more

    Thanks,
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    Cheers Sparky, I've updated the psu detail.

    Blake, averaging your numbers there suggest that you're getting 19.97 ppd per mhz. Would you be able to average out your range of 22 days runtime?

    Sparky & Shoota, would you also be able to do the same for however long your's have been up and running?

    Edit: Something just twigged. The 15.2 ppd per mhz is on Windows x64. I thought Jcool more or less proved that ubuntu produces less points than windows. Or am I mistaken?

    Just to check, which linux distro are you all using?
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    I recall that under Linux you can get MORE points than Windows. I may be wrong.
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    Ubuntu x64 does more work than Windows x64 but gets slightly less points. It gets slightly higher overall benchmarks but does the units in sufficiently less time to reduce the overall credit claimed.

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    Hmm, so what you're saying is that if Blake is running Ubuntu and his three day average is 19.97, that Vapor's average of 15.2 for a windows x64 should be higher, correct?
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    I'm Running Ubuntu server.

    My 22 day average is 31,106 that comes out to 15.5 ppd per mhz.

    "According to Vapor's prediction thread quad Barcas average around 15.2 WCG points per mhz."

    Yep I say thats about dead on.
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