GloFo first to make 28nm Chippery

[tifosi]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/d...28nm_Chip.html

At the Global Technology Conference, Globalfoundries announced it has taped-out a qualification vehicle based on the ARM Cortex A9 dual processor, an industry first on 28nm high-K metal gate (HKMG) technology. This technology qualification vehicle (TQV) will allow Globalfoundries to optimize its 28nm HKMG process for customer designs based on the next-generation dual-core ARM processor.

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[saaya]

how does that make them first with 28nm chips?

[madcho]

how does that make them first with 28nm chips?

because no one else do it

[Mechanical Man]

how does that make them first with 28nm chips?

Who else has 28nm? i know of none.

[Oliverda]

who else has 28nm? I know of none.

tsmc

[Pantsu]

Doesn't Intel do like 25nm already? Of course that's for flash afaik and a lot simpler. IIRC Toshiba was making 24nm flash too. I bet we won't be seeing 28nm products until H2 2011.

[BoredByLife]

This is bulk and not SOI right?

[Helmore]

This is bulk and not SOI right?

Yup, bulk. SOI is a bit harder to do and will thus take a little longer before its ready for use.

[BoredByLife]

Hmmm, i know SOI requires extra steps. But it should be easier to build trannies because you lose so much parasitic capacitors. Or am I missing something?
What I do understand is that most of the industry is used at designing stuff for Bulk CMOS. (First of all because it is much cheaper)

[Helmore]

Hmmm, i know SOI requires extra steps. But it should be easier to build trannies because you lose so much parasitic capacitors. Or am I missing something?
What I do understand is that most of the industry is used at designing stuff for Bulk CMOS. (First of all because it is much cheaper)

I meant is, that it's harder to develop a SOI process. A bulk process is a bit simpler than a SOI process and therefore you will see the bulk process running production runs at GloFo before you will see production runs on a comparable scale SOI process.

[naokaji]

how does that make them first with 28nm chips?

There are enough possible variations in manufacturing chips for everyone to be first.

[flutie98]

I think there are some misconceptions about SOI around here. Its not easier or harder, as the process is identical for a non-ultrathin body SOI cmos. Its just way more expensive for the wafer $200 vs $1000 for SOI. So when your trying to build a cheap ARM device, you want the best bang for the buck, which is not SOI ATM.

[Mechanical Man]

Doesn't Intel do like 25nm already? Of course that's for flash afaik and a lot simpler. IIRC Toshiba was making 24nm flash too. I bet we won't be seeing 28nm products until H2 2011.

28nm != 25nm. There is first for both.

[BoredByLife]

I think there are some misconceptions about SOI around here. Its not easier or harder, as the process is identical for a non-ultrathin body SOI cmos. Its just way more expensive for the wafer $200 vs $1000 for SOI. So when your trying to build a cheap ARM device, you want the best bang for the buck, which is not SOI ATM.

SOI does require extra steps, it is not just the wafer that is different.

[qcmadness]

Who else has 28nm? i know of none.

TSMC / UMC... etc.

[saaya]

didnt samsung go below 28nm already as well?
isnt samsung the no1 arm mfc?

[qcmadness]

didnt samsung go below 28nm already as well?
isnt samsung the no1 arm mfc?

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/s...o?news_id=1031

28nm?

[Katzenschleuder]

You make completely invalid comparisons.

The requirements to manufacture high-performance and/or low power CPUs are vastly greater compared to memory ICs.

[madcho]

And samsung don't sell wafer, they sell ships. So there they are not really in wafer war.

[Mad1723]

And samsung don't sell wafer, they sell ships.

Samsung manufactures boats? Since when?

[LightSpeed]

^^ lol

[Helmore]

Samsung manufactures boats? Since when?

They actually do, Samsung is the world's second largest shipbuilder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

I bet you didn't expect that .

[MrMojoZ]

They actually do, Samsung is the world's second largest shipbuilder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

I bet you didn't expect that .

Oh snap.

[ajaidev]

They actually do, Samsung is the world's second largest shipbuilder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

I bet you didn't expect that .

Ya ships made on 28nm are all the hype now a days

[saaya]

They actually do, Samsung is the world's second largest shipbuilder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

I bet you didn't expect that .

ah damn, you beat me to it
there are few things samsung doesnt manufacture...
they even make their own undies...

and yes, dram and flash are less complex, but samsung and toshiba supposedly started 20nm a couple of months ago already...
http://gizmodo.com/5520116/samsung-2...y-being-tested

i wouldnt be surprised if they will have arm chips made in the same or a variation of the process in some time...
so GF might actually be the first to 28nm, but samsung will probably have 20 or 22nm arm chips in some time, while GF will only go there in 2012...