Chilled water (56K beware)

[water_cooler 20]

would the WWF do a better job then the antifreeze because the
antifreeze mixed with water frozed up

would a 30%water 70%antifreeze work for me or would that get to thick
acorrding to dabit's charts at that mix u can go down to -42C

[GeekGoddess]

Originally posted by water_cooler 20
would the WWF do a better job then the antifreeze because the
antifreeze mixed with water frozed up

would a 30%water 70%antifreeze work for me or would that get to thick
acorrding to dabit's charts at that mix u can go down to -42C

It was the water in the antifreeze that froze. Get rid of it....forget the idea of putting water in it @ all. Try the antifreeze mixed with the methynol or the WWF. You dont want it to get slushy, and even if it can go down to -42c, that doesnt mean its not gonna be slushy.

[water_cooler 20]

does anyone know how much 3M's Fluorinert liquid FC-72 cost
and were i could find it
if i could get a hold of it would probably help since it freezes at
-90C

here is info about it
http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/e...lmaterials_3_0

or would i be better off using a 50/50 antifreeze and WWF mix

[Redwolf]

Food grade orange oil
http://www.floridachemical.com

[iboomalot]

Originally posted by water_cooler 20
does anyone know how much 3M's Fluorinert liquid FC-72 cost
and were i could find it
if i could get a hold of it would probably help since it freezes at
-90C

here is info about it
http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/e...lmaterials_3_0

or would i be better off using a 50/50 antifreeze and WWF mix

FC-77 which cost 375.00/gal. 13 yrs ago when I was going to submerge my amps for car audio I compete in nationally now costs 378.00/gal. Either the prices haven't changed or my memory isn't that good. Either way its nearly 400.00 per gallon.

Its the best but costly.

[water_cooler 20]

wow thats alot of $$$$$$ i guess i'm going to try out
a mix of antifreeze and WWF
or should i try WWF and water 1st just to see if that gets the job done

[Gary Lloyd]

Forget the water. Use WWF. If it slushes, pour in a can of gas line anti-freeze. Keep adding gas line anti-freeze each time it slushes.

[water_cooler 20]

so u mean just use stright WWF

also is WWF dangerous in any way

[Gary Lloyd]

Yes. Use straight WWF.

It is not healthy to breathe it. And you don't want it to evaporate either. For both reasons, keep it covered.

[water_cooler 20]

Does WWF small bad and would i need an airtight res to use it

[Gary Lloyd]

Yes. And yes.

[water_cooler 20]

also wouldn't it be better just to run stright methanol instead of the WWF or will ether way get the job done
also would stright methanol or WWF low viscosity cause my pump to have any problems since there viscosity is lower than water

[Gary Lloyd]

Your system isn't going to get cold enough to need straight methanol. The WWF, along with a can or two of gas line anti-freeze should do the job.

[iboomalot]

WWF has water in it. I think its a 70/30 mix for -20F solution.

here is a quote from another thread

from iboomalot

and WIPER BLUE uses methanol a form of alcohol

see for yourself::


quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
II. HAZARDOUS INGREDIENTS
MATERIAL OR COMPONENT CAS# % OSHA PEL TLV HAZARD DATA
Deionized Water 7732-18-5 67.00
Methanol 67-56-1 33.00
Pyaklor S-405 Blue N/A


HMIS:Health-1, Flammability-3, Reactivity-0, Personal Protection-B
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

entire link can be seen here

http://www.douglasproducts.com/commercial/msds_ww.html

"WWF low viscosity cause my pump to have any problems "

No its lower than water but thats a good thing for better flow and cooling properties. Its not too much lower to endanger your pumps.

[water_cooler 20]

should i use copper tubing instead of plastic water tubing for my water cooling sys this way i don't have to deal with brittle tubing at cold temps

like in this article
http://wc101.com/articles/coppertubing.php

[iboomalot]

Originally posted by water_cooler 20
should i use copper tubing instead of plastic water tubing for my water cooling sys this way i don't have to deal with brittle tubing at cold temps

tygon R-1000 would be killer its good to very low temps and its very flexible.

[water_cooler 20]

is it expensive

[afireinside]

My res isint 100% air tight. Is the WWF in there killing me?

[iboomalot]

TYGON® R-1000 Ultra Soft Tubing

Ultra-soft and flexible
Performs well at low temperatures (to -100°F)
Excellent for use in low-torque pump applications


Tygon® R-1000
Tygon® Ultra-Soft Tubing resists a broad range of aqueous chemicals and provides an excellent alternative to silicone tubing in applications where corrosive chemicals are used. Its minimal resistance to compression permits use in low-torque pump applications including battery driven types.

Tygon® Ultra-Soft Tubing stays flexible at temperatures as low as -100°F (-73°C ). Its smooth bore facilitates easy cleaning and helps prevent possible buildup. Do not autoclave. Durometer hardness: Shore A, 40.

prices vary I think its 2 - 4.00 per foot

[jamaljaco]

Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
Forget the water. Use WWF. If it slushes, pour in a can of gas line anti-freeze. Keep adding gas line anti-freeze each time it slushes.

Ok correct me if I'm wrong,But isn't WWf just 20 to 40 percent methanol (based on what brand temp rating ect.) the other ingrediants being water and a bit of detergent? if so wouldn't it be less money and hassle to just purchase the methanol add in your own water and omit the detergent you don't need ? Also giving more control over the amount of water and removing some of the guesswork.

[water_cooler 20]

Originally posted by afireinside
My res isint 100% air tight. Is the WWF in there killing me?

u might want to seal it from what i have read WWF has about 33% methanol which isn't good to brethe

so were would i go about getting R1000

[iboomalot]

http://www.integraco.com/r1000p.htm

50' roll is like 120.00 I can find a place that stocks smaller lengths or do an ebay search maybe.

hunt around on the web some places want 6.00 a foot just look around you can find the 2-4.00 a foot prices

[water_cooler 20]

i found this place that has a 10fyt pack for $30
http://www.aptinstruments.com/Mercha...Code=Vinyl_TBG

but i think it might be cheaper to use copper tubing

[jamaljaco]

copper for your coolant would be a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:, limiting your mobility. R-1000 good choice, I'm using R-3603.

[water_cooler 20]

maybe i should just save the time and money and just use my clearflex60 that i have

i'm also think i will probably go with methanol and water mix unless someone can give me a better idea