Andre Yang - Lifetime Ban

[Toolius]

Way to go FUGGER !! We are all right behind you !!

ppl forgetting Naekuh ??
he is still around and pretty active !

[[XC] Oj101]

Presidential pardons are given to people worth more to the country out of jail than in. I think skinnee really really deserves a second chance, even if he doesn't regain access to the overclocking section for a year.

Yes, he broke the rules, now every one of you please report yourselves everytime you have broken the speedlimit.

[Splave]

lifetime ban sucks but is necessary, i think hwbot should follow suit

[systemviper]

With all the controversy that has been going on, even back with the gig card fiasco contest where it was suspected people using binned or modified cards, It was made very clear that this was not acceptable to the Overclocking community. Now you can't even believe anything he/A had to say about that too


My personal opinion is that we all knew that there was a problem and that people were abusing the system, using there position and knowledge for their own personal benefit and scamming the bulk of the overclocking community which are a good group of people. Now we find out that people that we had mucho respect and are leaders in the Overclocking community are basically scam artists. This is a blow to all of us who try hard to do well in a sport that is just starting to find its way, trying to grow into something respected enjoyed by all, without having these abusers bringing our whole community down.

I think it's because of WHO they are that the punishment FITS, if they were not PRETENDING to be valuable and honest leaders or our community then who knows, but we have looked up to them for their knowledge, leadership and guidance as we all try to grow our sport.

I am so disgusted and disappointed, and i stand behind Fugger, he had the balls to make the tough decisions and i believe he is one of the main driving forces in the overclocking world.

We back you FUGGER with what every you do!

[[XC] gomeler]

[Sparky]

Skinnee? Really? what the heck were you thinking doing that dude...

Didn't think he'd be one to do that at all.

[Sam_oslo]

lifetime ban sucks but is necessary, i think hwbot should follow suit

It's OK to ban people for a period to give a lesson to cheaters and prevent others, but I personally am against capital punishment and death sentence. There is always possibilities for mistakes and misunderstandings, who is going to make sure the death sentence was just and right?

People should get a good punishment for cheating, but they should get a chance to do better next time too.

[v0dka]

Yes, he broke the rules, now every one of you please report yourselves everytime you have broken the speedlimit.

Apples and oranges. And I think you know it.

Yes I know Skinnee as a good guy too but that doenst change anything.

[Utnorris]

I agree that cheating is not good at all. And it should be punished no matter what. But i also find lifetime ban or anything similar a little to harsh for anyone. Its not like he killed someone. He should get a second chance to prove sorry for his action whoever he is. There are some ppl that learn from their mistakes!

They may learn from the mistake and not do it again or they may learn how to do it and not get caught, there is no way to tell. The real issue is now how many results will come into question from the past and going forward because of this. It isn't simply about someone getting caught cheating once, but rather how many times have individuals gotten away with it in the past. The only one of the group I know somewhat is Skinnee and it surprises me that he was involved, but it does prove how tempting this can be. While I might believe that some individuals would learn from this in a positive way, I think the lifetime ban is fair. For those feeling "Well they didn't kill someone, so the ban is harsh", the reality is that they get sponsorships and free gear because of their status in the overclocking community. So while they may not have "killed someone" they did in effect steal something from someone else and this is why I feel the ban is fair.

I will say that I am disappointed that this happened since as I stated this brings into question all results from the past and going forward not just from these individuals, but from everyone. The trust in the system has been broken and it may be awhile before everyone truly trusts the results and the leader board going forward.

[[XC] Oj101]

Apples and oranges. And I think you know it.

Yes I know Skinnee as a good guy too but that doenst change anything.

Disagree, he was our most valuable member in the watercooling forum.

[Hondacity]

even so ... someone else will come and take that section to a higher notch of awesomeness ... dont you worry ...

xtreme enthusiasm!

Vapor will continue cpu block testing i hope

[Hell Hound]

Stop saying that one person is more valuable than the other.

[El Mano]

The whole OC scene is based on trust.
When somebody posts his achievments we trust he is not lying to us.
When somebody says that he knows a certain Vcore is safe because he has tested it, we trust him.
Think of how many people who have little knowledge and experience trust what they read and risk their hard-earned rigs.

Perhaps a lifetime punishment is too hard... but I can't find any other way to defend our hobby

[Sn0wm@n]

Yes, he broke the rules, now every one of you please report yourselves everytime you have broken the speedlimit.

great argument... and i am being sarcastic

Stop saying that one person is more valuable than the other.

this

[Metroid]

Lifetime ban is harsh, 1 year is too short, 5 to 10 years ban would be what I would do. People need to take into consideration that this may not be first time.

[Kuroimaho]

Well people who go this far should get their priorities checked so a ban could actually be good for them as well not just the community.

[Leeghoofd]

I hope some persons/people here, by many acclaimed as a superhero, would first look into the mirror. No need to write a name(s), we know what you did... now don't act as a saint...

No idea how you can live with it dude... and really got no clue why some big guys even back you up...

[Etihtsarom]

Well this isn't much relevant but what's the big deal with banning? I come here and read the news all the time, but if I was banned, I could just read on other websites? (Speaking of which, hardware news are a little slower to pop up on xs than they are elsewhere)

[El Gappo]

Well this isn't much relevant but what's the big deal with banning? I come here and read the news all the time, but if I was banned, I could just read on other websites? (Speaking of which, hardware news are a little slower to pop up on xs than they are elsewhere)

They weren't here to read the news

[halfwaythere]

Irony:

ppl like them should be ban everywhere not just on HWBOT.
one day it was a hobby play hardware, nowadays it's a bussiness for manufactories.

a lot of Cheaters around a lot of fake

[dejanh]

Well, the only person I care about is Skinnee b/c of involvement in the H2O cooling community...but seriously WTF? I'm not surprised though the least bit and I do not doubt for a second that if you started looking at many of these competitions way back you would find some serious cheating going on all over the place by probably some of the most prominent names in the circle.

Having said that, why Skinnee would ruin a good thing in the WC community so that he can win a couple of bucks or some free swag? Well that's just mind boggling to me. People are so greedy now-days.

[Leeghoofd]

Vapor or co can post skinnee's result for sure... and he's still got the webbie doesn't he...

[Calmatory]

Forget about Skinnee. He is gone for good.

[Kal-EL]

Vapor or co can post skinnee's result for sure... and he's still got the webbie doesn't he...

If the dudes are capable of lying and cheating for obserdly stupid reasons, whats to stop them from scewing a review in the direction of the most generous company?

I'm sorry but, detailed, decorated and well spoken are also the qualities of a damned good liar. With all the toolerant minds I've seen so far, its no wonder the wool gets pulled over the eyes so much these days.

[Leeghoofd]

Don't think you are gonna waste years of hard work for a free CPU waterblock man... most of the reviewers are getting similar results, I still have trust in Skinnee's review capabilities. This was another matter that I can only describe as G R E E D