Apple's iPhone 4 press conference (good news for iphone 4 users)

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I wonder why they couldn't just put the antenna where NO ONE would grab it. Like on top of the phone maybe?

[Johnny87au]

I wonder why they couldn't just put the antenna where NO ONE would grab it. Like on top of the phone maybe?

lol true, thats generally where a atenna sits, Dont know why they put it where everyone usually grabs the phone by

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nice find. that was hilarious

[PatRaceTin]

bad technical design!!!!!

[texasreefer]

Blown out of proportion, and everybody's falling far it. A bit like the US gov and press f!cked Toyota bigtime.

Blown out of proportion by Who? Nobody asked JObs to make his press release/pseudo apology. There was a problem picked up and reported by a major reviewer (Consumer Reports), and Apple responded. They could have just kept quiet. Apple users would have never admitted there was an big issue.

[saaya]

there are 2 antennas, not one, and putting it on top would result in weak reception, they use as much of the frame for the antenna as possible
its not about squeezing the phone, its about slightly shorting the two antennas by touching the thin split between them.
pressure does help, but as long as your hands are dry it might not do a lot... try it with sticky sweaty summertime hands and its a different thing

if you ask me the point that was really outrageous is that they were charging 30$ for a 1us$ rubber string that fixes a design issue...
is this blown out of proportion? hell yeah! but really, if you hype up a product like this and claim its the best of the best, you cant make a stupid mistake like this and then try to get away with it by blaming your customers... the reason it got blown out of proportion is because its apple and because of their arrogance... if this would have happened to htc samsung or nokia, it wouldnt have been blown out of proportion... why? theyd admit it and try to solve the problem...

apple hypes their phones up to the level of a ferrari car, well ferrari wouldnt get away with a flawed new model either, even if its a tiny flaw...
people KNOW they pay extra but they are ok with it as long as they get the illusion of having the best...

[eternal_fantasy]

Apple users would have never admitted there was an big issue.

How do you define "big issue"? Because most iPhone 4 users genuinely do not experience the reception issue on daily usage enough to consider it a "big issue".

You must have personally been affected by this issue? Have you returned your iPhone 4 for a full refund?

[HuffPCair]

Buy a Moto droid and stop worrying lol it does just work

[cyberspyder]

Should I upgrade to the iCrap4? I have a SE k790i right now...it seems to perform worse as a phone and takes worse pictures.

[metro.cl]

LOL

Funny thing, they love their customers but when they said there was a problem, no one at apple listened... only after it hit their stock and concerns about their brand image appeared they "responded".

I was really looking after the iPhone4 but it doesnt seem right to buy a phone with antena issues and that might get replaced really fast.

[Zloyd]

Well a company gets to show its class when they release something thats got major issues and isnt working as intended.


Apple have clearly shown theirs , their arrogance is disgusting.

[texasreefer]

How do you define "big issue"? Because most iPhone 4 users genuinely do not experience the reception issue on daily usage enough to consider it a "big issue".

You must have personally been affected by this issue? Have you returned your iPhone 4 for a full refund?

I purchased an HTC evo on launch date, so NO I have not been affected by this issue. When a big dealer almost recalls a product, and to give free bumpers TO THE ENTIRE united states is big. Yet, your an Apple user and claim the problem is overblown. Those 2 dollar bumpers retail for 19.99....this is a big deal.

[Manicdan]

i do notice with my evo there are some road where i dont get good signal when its on the dashboard, i move it to the passenger seat and its back to normal. (i use streaming music while driving) i cant tell if its the mount thats hurting the signal, or just its position in the car while im in a weak zone

[eternal_fantasy]

I purchased an HTC evo on launch date, so NO I have not been affected by this issue. When a big dealer almost recalls a product, and to give free bumpers TO THE ENTIRE united states is big.

Right.. so you don't have first hand experience. Glad we got that out of the way.

The free bumper was given as a response to the media outcry, and not a response to the "defect" of the phone. If there were no hype, there will be no free bumper. "Almost" recalling a product... I'd like to see where you got that idea from. Apple certainly did not even consider recalling the phone. If I missed something, please point me to your source and I'd gladly apologise for my mistake.

Yet, your an Apple user and claim the problem is overblown. Those 2 dollar bumpers retail for 19.99....this is a big deal.

Why are you putting words into my mouth? Where in my post did I "claim" the situation is "overblown" or even sound remotely trying to imply the same thing? I was speaking from experience, you were speaking from... people's opinion on the interwebz?

If you think something is overpriced then don't buy it. Why so serious about the price of a piece of rubber band for a phone that you don't even have? Are you doing this for us iPhone users? We must all have some serious money management issues or sanity problems that enables us to purchase £600 phones that can't even make a call and love it anyway. Please save us from Apple's grasp!

I really don't know what's worse, those that buys an Apple product and love it, or those that never bought the Apple product and hate it.

[Manicdan]

almost all accessories for any product are overpriced, some things are nicer quality or provide a unique function and worth almost their price, but those rubber guards are pennies to make, probably costs more to package and ship them than just produce them.

[eternal_fantasy]

almost all accessories for any product are overpriced, some things are nicer quality or provide a unique function and worth almost their price, but those rubber guards are pennies to make, probably costs more to package and ship them than just produce them.

Then don't buy them? I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Did the price offend you personally?

[Manicdan]

Then don't buy them? I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Did the price offend you personally?

i dont see why you are so worried about me making general statements about supply and demand

[Kallenator]

I really don't know what's worse, those that buys an Apple product and love it, or those that never bought the Apple product and hate it.

You really don't need to buy a product just to be able to criticize it, a simple practical test at the store or whatever is good enough in most cases.


I also think that rubber bumper is ridiculously overpriced, considering it's just a few grams of injection molded rubber. A person who does not flinch by that probably wouldn't flinch if a 0,8 liter bottle of water cost 15USD either.

[eternal_fantasy]

You really don't need to buy a product just to be able to criticize it, a simple practical test at the store or whatever is good enough in most cases.

Note that I said "hate". I dig constructive criticisms. Not that would change anything that apple does, but at least it gets a conversation going. However there are those that makes it their life's mission to spread the hate of the Apple brand, making it as if every move Apple makes stench of money grabbing and marketing gimmicks.

The worst is when you post about your genuine experience without suffering from any problems, you're told that you just "don't know" there was a problem by someone that don't even own the product. How do you even carry on the conversation?

I really do not believe there are so many devoted Apple fans that are totally blinded by marketing, and none really sit down and have a look at their iProduct and think, hey, this is just a piece of rubbish, wrapped around in amazing marketing.

Apple must have done something right. you don't see only retards owning Apple products. Maybe, just maybe there is a reason so many people swear by Apple you don't see with any other brand?

[eternal_fantasy]

i dont see why you are so worried about me making general statements about supply and demand

Does your statement add anything to the conversation? Other then to whine about an overpriced product that many before you have already whined about?

[Manicdan]

Does your statement add anything to the conversation? Other then to whine about an overpriced product that many before you have already whined about?

your whining about people complaining, those people are complaining because we already have enough issues in most countries with money that we dont need apple coming in with awesome marketing, giving us a product we dont actually need, at a price most shouldnt be paying, just so they can show it off to their friends.

i was going over the manufacturing aspect of accessories. there use to be a day when i could by a cable or adapter from radio shack for 2$, now its 12$ for the same damn thing just because its used by an iproduct aswell.

[MrMojoZ]

I really do not believe there are so many devoted Apple fans that are totally blinded by marketing, and none really sit down and have a look at their iProduct and think, hey, this is just a piece of rubbish, wrapped around in amazing marketing.

And I say you are wrong, the masses only know what they are told by others. They will refuse to think for themselves.

Ever worked retail? You'd have to pick up on this. If you've ever tried to break through to someone stuck on "But my friend told me (blatantly bad information) so I'm going to ignore you when provide (good information)" you know exactly what I mean.

[eternal_fantasy]

your whining about people complaining, those people are complaining because we already have enough issues in most countries with money that we dont need apple coming in with awesome marketing, giving us a product we dont actually need, at a price most shouldnt be paying, just so they can show it off to their friends.

i was going over the manufacturing aspect of accessories. there use to be a day when i could by a cable or adapter from radio shack for 2$, now its 12$ for the same damn thing just because its used by an iproduct aswell.

Actually, no. I was actually sharing my experience with the device in question before you amongst some others expressed your distaste for Apple's pricing strategy.

And how would whining in an online forum help lower the price of iProduct-supported accessories? Look at it this way. Apple, being an American company, is making a killing selling their iProduct around the world. The money creates jobs for the local people and increase revenue for your debted government. So all round good thing. Wouldn't you agree? Whats a few dollars more for a cable or an adapter when it makes some of your fellow countryman richer?

And I say you are wrong, the masses only know what they are told by others. They will refuse to think for themselves.

Ever worked retail? You'd have to pick up on this. If you've ever tried to break through to someone stuck on "But my friend told me (blatantly bad information) so I'm going to ignore you when provide (good information)" you know exactly what I mean.

That is a very blank statement. Why are there so much positive feedback on an Apple product, say iPhone 4, expressing that based on their own experiences, the phone is a great product. Are their experiences "told by others"? Are all the tech review sites that gave the iPhone 4 top scores just minions of Apple and should not be trusted? Are these the sort of "blatantly bad information" you were talking about? Where can I find the "good information"?

If, the Apple user used their product, and found it to suit their needs, even if it is under the spell of "what other people have told them". Wouldn't that mean it is a great product that the person genuinely appreciates? or is there a standard that all product have to satisfy to be regarded as "fit for purpose"?

[Manicdan]

Actually, no. I was actually sharing my experience with the device in question before you amongst some others expressed your distaste for Apple's pricing strategy.

And how would whining in an online forum help lower the price of iProduct-supported accessories? Look at it this way. Apple, being an American company, is making a killing selling their iProduct around the world. The money creates jobs for the local people and increase revenue for your debted government. So all round good thing. Wouldn't you agree? Whats a few dollars more for a cable or an adapter when it makes some of your fellow countryman richer?

i did say almost all accessories are like this, not just apple ones. when you work in retail you see this all the time. people buy a printer then they have to buy a 20$ usb cable to go with it, MOST, and i promise you the number is more than 50%, complained about having to buy something they know is dirt cheap, because you NEED it for the product to work right.

That is a very blank statement. Why are there so much positive feedback on an Apple product, say iPhone 4, expressing that based on their own experiences, the phone is a great product. Are their experiences "told by others"? Are all the tech review sites that gave the iPhone 4 top scores just minions of Apple and should not be trusted? Are these the sort of "blatantly bad information" you were talking about? Where can I find the "good information"?

If, the Apple user used their product, and found it to suit their needs, even if it is under the spell of "what other people have told them". Wouldn't that mean it is a great product that the person genuinely appreciates? or is there a standard that all product have to satisfy to be regarded as "fit for purpose"?

alot of the negativity is coming from how apple is handling this. they make just 1 new phone, htc has made a dozen different phones this year. so apple needs to swing and hit, htc can miss a few times and not affect every owner. so for steve to email people back saying, "no, deal with it and hold it right", is kinda a slap in the face for anyone who had respect for them. apple tries to sell an image more than a product, that image is about high quality and functionality. we can easily see its not that expensive to make a phone, this one just has glass on the back and front and people think it costs 2x as much. the other part of the image about quality is hurt when they have a clear issue that many people can see coming just from watching the conference. was it lack of testing? or lack of caring? or an attempt to sell more bumpers? all are bad answers, and i cant think of any right answer that apple can give.

[Solus Corvus]

Apple must have done something right. you don't see only retards owning Apple products. Maybe, just maybe there is a reason so many people swear by Apple you don't see with any other brand?

Sure Apple did something right. They made a good smartphone. But so have several other companies. The fact that Apple has such a huge marketshare even in the presence of roughly technically equivalent products indicates that there is something more then just technical features at work here.

I find your argument to be a common one that dismisses the power of social pressure on human beings. Despite some people's wish to forget that fact, we are a social species. We also rely on emotions more then we would care to admit. Things like group pressure, media hype, familiarity, vanity, name recognition, appeals to emotion, etc have a huge effect on people's buying decisions. I'd wager they have as much, or more, of an effect as technical features. If those things didn't have a large effect on people's purchasing decisions then companies wouldn't dedicate so much money to marketing.