Yeah, I saw that TD ad with MIR and bing cashback. I almost bit too, but it would have been a complete build so I thought twice about it. Hope they release that bios soon.Originally Posted by Manicdan
Yeah, I saw that TD ad with MIR and bing cashback. I almost bit too, but it would have been a complete build so I thought twice about it. Hope they release that bios soon.
3 or more quarters without any mainstream (or remotely close to it) Gulftowns is outrageous.
If the competition was more severe I'm sure we would already have a 32nm replacement for i7 920 (and for a while at that).
Donate to XS forums
then intel's cash cow need to protest and stop giving milk .... whatever this methaphor means
Intel is still limited by 32 nm. production capacity. They still can not meet demand for 32 nm. dual-cores (especialy in mobile space). Introducing low cost 6-core cpu is less profitable in this situation and may create another unmet demand.
There, you said it.
It's the competition issue, clearly... They are milking the market.
I'm not saying they can make millions of cheap 6 core chips, though. But making so many chips isn't necessary either.
Donate to XS forums
i always thought the first chips you make on a new process should be for mobile, the ability to get 20-40% better battery life, or higher clocks in the same power envelope, i thought would let the get a massive lead for the mobile market since those chips are smaller and can be sold for more. but honestly i dont think intel wants to compete with 32nm against their own 45nm, or amds 65nm (which is just now on 45 nm with a serious effort). so in reveres, once amd is on 32nm, are they going to release mobile chips right away or wait over a year after desktop is out?
All this would make the end a 2010 an interesting period! The release of X25-M G3, rumored release of Bulldozer, rumored release of mainstream 6-cores from Intel, ATI Southern Islands and most definitely more I'm missing or haven't heard about yet.
So many toys, so little time (and money)
its so funny that you all think that intel does not have any problems with 32nm there is a small problem there and that is causing a problem with the production
Coming Soon
Do you happen to have a source? Not saying I don't believe you, but it'd be interesting to read up onThanks!
The cost of 32nm is too high, and according to the lately news, Intel's 32nm products are in short supply. Looks like Intel has very serious problem with 32nm products.
So serious problems that you can by 32nm clarkdale and westmere everywhere...
Every new process takes a while to flood demand for it. Intel's 45nm launch was much, much worse. It doesn't in and of itself indicate problems so much as high demand for a ramping process.
Particle's First Rule of Online Technical Discussion:
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Rule 1A:
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
Rule 2:
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Rule 3:
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
Considering they just announced they are pulling in the startup of the other 2 32nm fabs, it would seem like they've solved whatever issue you are claiming, unless you're claiming lower than expected yields.
They've also said the demand-backlog for the new parts will be met by the end of this quarter.
So... going to need a little more specificity, please.
Yeah it's just high demand,I doubt they have any serious problem.
intel does not want to kill amd
but to MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE
why do you want to reduce ASP when you don't need to?
Intel does not openly disclose such things so no source.Do you happen to have a source? Not saying I don't believe you, but it'd be interesting to read up on
I am claiming that and the problem was very prevalent in the i9 A0's the problem has something to do with the voltage sensitivities on some chips.
I have heard of reject chips that ran them selfs to the ground on normal volts.
The problem is being fixed and soon will be done with.
Lower than estimated production is a problem they will get it fixed and i think laptop i3/i5's are in more demand than the desktop ones could be wrong tough.
The 45nm had problems and even it that the initial production capability was reduced a lot and that was fixed after 2-3 months of inception same will be the case with the 32nm process.
Coming Soon
Oddly, AMD, IBM and Intel all claim shrinks are extremely cost effective -- it is costs that drives Moore's Law.
There are two ways to look at limited supply. Either a) production problems or b) demand has simply out stripped supply. There is not enough information available to know which one is the major contributor, but given the trend QoQ and YoY shipments in units, Q1 record unit shipments, then I suspect the latter.
One hundred years from now It won't matter
What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
-- from "Within My Power" by Forest Witcraft
It may have something to do with the 18 months delay in the 32nm
Lithography scanners from Nikon which Intel uses. The NSR-S620 was
originally planned for Q4, 2008 and it seems it is just now starting to ship.
It's still not listed as an official product on Nikon's website.
http://nikon.com/products/precision/.../nsr/index.htm
Intel can use the NSR-S610C but that one is really only qualified for 45nm
production which could cause yield issues in 32nm production I presume.
Regards, Hans
~~~~ http://www.chip-architect.org ~~~~ http://www.physics-quest.org ~~~~
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
Bookmarks