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    Fourth Dimension Gaming

    http://marctenbosch.com/miegakure/
    The 4th dimension is a physical movement of the 3rd = spacetime
    This game is about exploring the consequences of being able to move in four spatial dimensions. It plays like a regular three-dimensional platformer, but at the press of a button one of the dimensions is exchanged with the fourth dimension, allowing for four-dimensional movement.
    In mathematics the fourth dimension, or a four-dimensional space, is an abstract concept, obtained by taking the rules of our three-dimensional space and generalizing them to a space with one more dimension. It has been studied by mathematicians and philosophers for almost two hundred years, both for its own interest and for the insights it offered into mathematics and related fields.

    Algebraically it is generated by applying the rules of vectors and coordinate geometry to a space with four dimensions. In particular a vector with four elements (a 4-tuple) can be used to represent a position in four-dimensional space. The space is a Euclidean space, so has a metric and norm, and so all directions are treated as the same: the additional dimension is indistinguishable from the other three.

    The fourth dimension in this space was sometimes interpreted as time, but this is no longer done in modern physics. In the last century spacetime was developed, which unifies space and time but with a different metric so the time dimension is treated differently from Euclidean space. The resulting space is a Minkowski space and is usually studied separately from the space described
    HENCE THE EXPRESSION "TIME FLY'S" Anymore Q's.
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    From what school told me the fourth dimension in this space was sometimes interpreted as time.

    Liked the animation on the site, would like to see some videos of the game in action.
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    That looks extremely like this "3D" game
    http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/511754

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    I've been ever so confused about how the 4th dimension worked until I just read the OPs simple explanation.

    So how does the 5th dimention work? 6th? 8th??? 12th????^"&^%$"£" 250th??????

    Stop making my brain implode, I hate dimensions

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    For 6D check out www.naturalpoint.com and their TrackIR hardware....
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    No.
    Can't just talk balls and re-write science.

    4D is an extrusion of 3D. It's not time (rly) and nor is it a games control interface.

    Go watch some carl sagan, marctenbosh

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    If treated as a object it can be manipulated.

    In 1993 the physicist Gerard 't Hooft put forward the holographic principle, which explains that the information about an extra dimension is visible as a curvature in a spacetime with one fewer dimensions. For example, holograms are three-dimensional pictures placed on a two-dimensional surface, which gives the image a curvature when the observer moves. Similarly, in general relativity, the fourth dimension is manifested in observable three dimensions as the curvature of path of a moving infinitesimal (test) particle. Hooft has speculated that the fifth dimension is really the spacetime fabric.
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    hm, some of you need to learn about tesseracts it seems... click me!

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    hey sure, scientists/mathematicians struggle to explain it but im sure they can crank out a $60 xbox game about it.
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    what does that game have to do with 4d?
    nothing at all...

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    The game will show off movement in a 4d environment.

    Also:

    buildingSMART ME has reported a marked increase in the use of 3D models across the region. It is therefore not surprising that 4D CAD is increasingly being used to support construction planning.

    Adding ‘time’ facilitates the natural progression from 3D to 4D. This article examines how the wider potential of 4D process and technology can be realised by proper integration into a collaborative BIM environment.

    It is already well understood that linking elements from a 3D model to activities in planning tools can create a space and time (4D) model. This helps the planner visually link task to workplace thereby facilitating the creation of a logical construction sequence.
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    Ummmm.... Dimensions
    Originally Posted by motown_steve
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lmui View Post
    fourth dimension isn't time... In this case, the fourth dimension is a theoretical extra spatial dimension

    Basic concept with 1 dimension to 2 dimensions

    In a one dimensional world,

    _ _ _

    Left _ can't see the right _ because of the middle _.

    Assuming they can't overlap each other, the only way to move the _ to the right side would be to have it leave the 1 dimensional line like so, creating a 2 dimensional space

    -_ _ and move over to the right to give _ _ - and then move down to give _ _ _

    To a theoretical someone who lived on the first dimension, it would appear as if the original left _ disappeared and (assuming this person can see through the right _) reappeared to the right of the right _ by some sort of magic (known to us as the second dimension).

    Good luck understanding that going from 3D to 4D
    I posted this in the other thread in the PC gaming section.

    4th Dimension is NOT time in this case, it's an extra spacial dimension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhavv View Post
    I've been ever so confused about how the 4th dimension worked until I just read the OPs simple explanation.

    So how does the 5th dimention work? 6th? 8th??? 12th????^"&^%$"£" 250th??????

    Stop making my brain implode, I hate dimensions
    String theory predicts as many as 26 spatial dimensions for our universe.

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    This seems weird, but might be something to keep an eye on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Hound View Post
    The game will show off movement in a 4d environment.
    where?
    all i see is 3d blocks and some walls can be passed if you "switch to the other dimension"

    that has nothing to do with the 4th dimension though... thats a very old scifi hippie impression of further dimensions, being able to walk through walls etc...

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    A Nano wall

    In a 3d environment everything is not really 3d such as background objects,they are flat(2d) images,the sky etc.Which takes away from realism,In order to build a totally 3d environment you need a extra dimension or space.
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    not impossible to imagine, but the game has very little to do with physics from what i can see :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by saaya View Post
    where?
    all i see is 3d blocks and some walls can be passed if you "switch to the other dimension"

    that has nothing to do with the 4th dimension though... thats a very old scifi hippie impression of further dimensions, being able to walk through walls etc...
    look up the word tesseract, its a cube in the 4th spatial dimension. Time is not the 4th spatial dimension. And as it looks the game refers to the 4th spatial dimension.

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    Looks a bit like the old Soul Reaver games.

    thats not a bad thing mind you
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    Space = the equation of object's being moved = Time = the calculation of object's being moved = spacetime

    Einstein showed that if time and space is measured using electromagnetic phenomena (like light bouncing between mirrors) then due to the constancy of the speed of light, time and space become mathematically entangled together in a certain way (called Minkowski space) which in turn results in Lorentz transformation and in entanglement of all other important derivative physical quantities (like energy, momentum, mass, force, etc) in a certain 4-vectorial way (see special relativity for more details).



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    you know what time it is, kids?
    Its gramer nazi tiem!!1!111

    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Hound View Post
    "TIME FLY'S"
    's is either posessive or the short form of is/has; proper conjugation of
    the verb "fly" is flies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Hound View Post
    If treated as a object
    an object

    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Hound View Post
    In a 3d environment everything is not really 3d such as background objects,they are flat(2d) images,the sky etc.Which takes away from realism,In order to build a totally 3d environment you need a extra dimension or space.
    use the SPACE_BAR after each "," or "."
    Also, this is nonsense. A 3D envirenment can be interpreted as 2D if you
    look at it from just one point of view. But add another, and you'll also have
    depth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hell Hound View Post
    of object's being moved
    object's being moved
    objects.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LordEC911 View Post
    Ummmm.... Dimensions
    That's the best vid ever to try and imagine higher dimensions
    Its not overkill if it works.


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    @ Frank M ,I See traveling back to the 1st grade has made you forget how to spell,lol (jk).



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