Live:CERN 7Tev, success

[strange|ife]

http://webcast.cern.ch/lhcfirstphysics/

caught this late, just woke up myself. It's a success at CERN, made history.

they remind me of overclockers, if you listen to the scientist talk. Very Excited and eager to go further! hehe.

[Aimr]

reminds me of this Site:
http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/

[strange|ife]

they are replaying earlier footage right now, the 3.5 Tev on the main webcast. Click around the bottom, went to the ATLAS room

they are getting drunk hehe. So much science will come from this, lets just hope they know what they are doing, i have confidence they do. Exciting

[Duh]

reminds me of this Site:
http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/

rofl well said .. nothing happened

[Hornet331]

what? i thought the 17 TeV would be done after the LHC was undergoing maintenance (which can take up to one year) after finishing the current 7 TeV run.

[ajaidev]

nothing was suppose to happen at most the black holes created would have been microscopic and would have eaten a very little bit before dissipating. Thus in no way effecting either the LHC or eating the whole world kinnda reminds me of the new star trek nice movie ...

[strange|ife]

what? i thought the 17 TeV would be done after the LHC was undergoing maintenance (which can take up to one year) after finishing the 7 TeV run.

its early, but i swear they said 17Tev. It might be 7, you are right. Would go on google to verify, but gotta head to work=/

[Aimr]

its early, but i swear they said 17Tev. It might be 7, you are right. Would go on google to verify, but gotta head to work=/

On other sites, i read about 7Tev. 14Tev is Max Power of LHC ---> no way it could be 17

[strange|ife]

yes its 7 Tev after watching the press conference.

[Frank M]

17 TeV

nope

what? i thought the 17 TeV would be done after the LHC was undergoing maintenance (which can take up to one year) after finishing the current 7 TeV run.

not even that.
It was planned for 7 TeV beams, but later came concerns about the magnets,
so to surely / safely run at 7 TeV, they would've had to pull it down for
maintenance for a year; but later they decided to run it at lower energy
(3.5 TeV) instead and if it's stable, then raise the energy level.

At least that's what a physician friend told me yesterday.

Edit: oh I see now what the confusion is about. It's 3.5 TeV per beam, so
at the collision of the two beams you have 7 TeV.

[freeloader]

they are replaying earlier footage right now, the 3.5 Tev on the main webcast. Click around the bottom, went to the ATLAS room

they are getting drunk hehe. So much science will come from this, lets just hope they know what they are doing, i have confidence they do. Exciting

What science will come from this? We'll be no closer to knowing how the universe started then what we already "know" now.

[joshd]

Very exciting, stable beams for almost 2h now. The web cast said over 100,000 collisions recorded already.

Some stuff I've heard: the detectors discard 99.8% of the data they record, and even after that 2-3TB/s of data is passed to the storage clusters. If that amount of data was not discarded, the fibre channels to the storage would be much much too slow to keep up with the throughput. Most of this data is them sent out to nearby unis and institutions for processing and storage.

[Xel'Naga]

What science will come from this? We'll be no closer to knowing how the universe started then what we already "know" now.

LHC is crucial to the future of science as particle physics is pretty much at a stand still now.
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" Einstein.
We have no idea what will come of most research, no matter how abstract it seems now. When Fourier was working on Fourier analysis, little did he know that in 200 years, most forms of data compression, all wireless transmissions and quite a few other applications will rely on his work.
Judging by your quotations marks on "know" and your sig, I suggest you keep your humans-lived-with-dinosaurs coloring books and leave the grown-ups to do their business

[annihilat0r]

[freeloader]

LHC is crucial to the future of science as particle physics is pretty much at a stand still now.
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" Einstein.
We have no idea what will come of most research, no matter how abstract it seems now. When Fourier was working on Fourier analysis, little did he know that in 200 years, most forms of data compression, all wireless transmissions and quite a few other applications will rely on his work.
Judging by your quotations marks on "know" and your sig, I suggest you keep your humans-lived-with-dinosaurs coloring books and leave the grown-ups to do their business

Oh, that's real a intelligent answer. So please tell me what this "research" is going to do to benefit mankind? It's totally useless and a monumental waste of money and resources. I'm just glad it's not my tax money footing the bill for this research. And for your information, we didn't walk with the dinosaurs we ran away from them. LOL...

BTW...my sig is about how people in Science get on by people who are religious. I guess your comprehension is lacking.

[joshd]

Oh, that's real a intelligent answer. So please tell me what this "research" is going to do to benefit mankind? It's totally useless and a monumental waste of money and resources. I'm just glad it's not my tax money footing the bill for this research. And for your information, we didn't walk with the dinosaurs we ran away from them. LOL...

BTW...my sig is about how people in Science get on by people who are religious. I guess your comprehension is lacking.

Hey, without any of the "apparently irrelevent to mankind" research that has happened over the last centuary or so, you'd have NONE of the technology that you take for granted today.

[Sam_oslo]

nothing was suppose to happen at most the black holes created would have been microscopic and would have eaten a very little bit before dissipating. Thus in no way effecting either the LHC or eating the whole world kinnda reminds me of the new star trek nice movie ...

I don't know what they are doing or how dangerous it is. But in quantum physics everything is strange and "small" means "big". We don't know much about black holes, but per definition, a black hole is always microscopic, and it gets more powerful as it gets smaller. It all based on how you observe it. A black hole can be bigger than solar system but could look microscopic to us.

[joshd]

I don't know what they are doing or how dangerous it is. But in quantum physics everything is strange and "small" means "big". We don't know much about black holes, but per definition, a black hole is always microscopic, and it gets more powerful as it gets smaller. It all based on how you observe it. A black hole can be bigger than solar system but could look microscopic to us.

No, a black hole's horizon can be very large, we don't really know what happens in the middle. It being a singularity seems not to make much physical sense, I believe string theory currently looks at it as having very small, non-zero dimensions.

The possible black holes theorised to be formed in the LHC would be very small, very unstable, and evaporate very quickly.

[Manicdan]

the only thing i know about black holes makes me really not want to play with them.

[Motiv]

Oh, that's real a intelligent answer. So please tell me what this "research" is going to do to benefit mankind? It's totally useless and a monumental waste of money and resources. I'm just glad it's not my tax money footing the bill for this research. And for your information, we didn't walk with the dinosaurs we ran away from them. LOL...

BTW...my sig is about how people in Science get on by people who are religious. I guess your comprehension is lacking.

Your tax is probably part of it, as it is an international venture.

If it wasn't for science, we wouldn't be here now typing away on our computers, so ifail to see how you think research is a waste of money.

Would you not like to know how the universe came about, or how quantum physics may help us one day, or any other of the questions this experiment may bring about?

[joshd]

Your tax is probably part of it, as it is an international venture.

If it wasn't for science, we wouldn't be here now typing away on our computers, so ifail to see how you think research is a waste of money.

Would you not like to know how the universe came about, or how quantum physics may help us one day, or any other of the questions this experiment may bring about?

Quantum physics already helps us. Your flash memory chips rely on quantum tunnelling, the semiconductors in your cpu, mri machines, etc etc all rely on quantum mechanical effects.

[[XC] gomeler]

I can't wait till they start tearing into all the data they are logging. They had better get those super computers crunching away asap, I want some new juicy science to read about.

Oh, that's real a intelligent answer. So please tell me what this "research" is going to do to benefit mankind? It's totally useless and a monumental waste of money and resources. I'm just glad it's not my tax money footing the bill for this research. And for your information, we didn't walk with the dinosaurs we ran away from them. LOL...

BTW...my sig is about how people in Science get on by people who are religious. I guess your comprehension is lacking.

Why did we pursue flying outside of our atmosphere? Why did we fly to the moon? Why did we fire probes off to the planets and away from our solar system?

Perhaps a little bit closer to something you might understand.. why did we play around with stacks of dissimilar metals? Why did we play with lodestones? Why did we develop capacitors? Why did we develop integrated circuits? Why didn't we just stop with the primitive microprocessors of the 1980s and 1990s?

To say research is useless and a monumental waste of money is to deny yourself a future. My impression of your opinion arrives at the thought of why did we even leave our caves those thousands of years ago, they were comfy and living to 30 was alright. We have no clue what the LHC will show us. Perhaps it'll enlighten us on what exactly matter is made of when they pursue their research into the Higgs boson or "God" particle. Who knows what this could yield.. maybe new forms of energy generation, maybe the assembly and disassembly of matter, maybe it'll just make lots of pretty little explosions.

Research expands your future options. If you don't want to benefit from said research I'd advise you leaving the planet. Unfortunately that requires more research.

[annihilat0r]

inb4 hungry kids in africa

[freeloader]

Your tax is probably part of it, as it is an international venture.

If it wasn't for science, we wouldn't be here now typing away on our computers, so ifail to see how you think research is a waste of money.

Would you not like to know how the universe came about, or how quantum physics may help us one day, or any other of the questions this experiment may bring about?

I don't really wonder about how the universe came about. WE WILL NEVER NOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I obviously don't believe in the creation theory and I don't believe in the Big Bang theory as well. That's creating something from nothing. Science helps us with many things, but it could also be our eventual downfall if we're not careful with what we're playing with.

[Sam_oslo]

No, a black hole's horizon can be very large, we don't really know what happens in the middle. It being a singularity seems not to make much physical sense, I believe string theory currently looks at it as having very small, non-zero dimensions.

The possible black holes theorised to be formed in the LHC would be very small, very unstable, and evaporate very quickly.

The black hole theories does not say anything about "very unstable, and evaporate very quickly" back hole at all. It actually says that a black hole is always very small.


We know almost nothing about black holes. It is all based on some unproven theories that we can not test and try in laboratory. But based on proven and laboratory-tested quantum physics equations, the same entity can look and behave as wave or particle, all depend on how we observe it. The observant and the observation winkle can change the entity! This is proven science.


The size (and everything else, including the total nature) of a quanta-entity is all based on which context the observant is observing it.


To make it simple, a quanta-entity ca be BIG in it's own context, but we can observe it as small form our perspective. Talking about "very unstable, and evaporate very quickly" is from our perspective, but such a black hole can be "very stable, and never evaporate" in it's own context.