Alienware OptX AW2310 23" 3D 120Hz Full HD monitor is out!

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

I am a led user, and lovin it. I could never go back to anything less. Until you personally see the difference, you definitely wouldnt buy anything else. The led emits a pure white. Any screen with a ccfl backlight has a very strong yellow and dim tint to it. I took my led tn screen over a pva, its that nice. I wouldnt buy any newer screen until led has infiltrated the market. I have seen nvision 3d and honestly it isnt very good. Lots of distortion and miscued 3d effects. Most of the 3d images are out of sync with the actual motion and image. Not impressive at all, unless your happy with cheap tricks. I would wait to grab a led e-ips panel imho. I was willing to give up some viewing angle for speed and input lag. With 170/160 my xl2370 has a decent viewing angle, It aint too bad honestly. Color shift on a pva is just as bad as viewing angle to me.

Input lag sux on pva and ips, only big drawback with ghosting. Games are a few frames off of whats actually going on. Thats where tn has its best advantage. If you suck at headshots in fps, now you know why.

[STEvil]

Where's the lovin' for the great 30" 2560x1600?
I'd still prefer that over a 23"?

Got a 30" 2560x1600 (LGW3000H) next to my Toshiba Regza 46"

As to input latency, the difference is approximately 1 frame between the fastest TN and a "fast" anything else, and 0 frames between the fastest of anything (except maybe MVA/PVA/E-IPS). Ghosting is not an issue for any decent display since 2 years ago.

[YukonTrooper]

Let me guess, it's using a TN based panel?

Did I ruin the party or do good things happen in monitor land?

As long as you have hardware calibration, the panel doesn't have excessive backlight bleed, and you only plan on viewing the monitor head on, the fact that the panel is a TN quickly becomes a moot point. However, I only say this for 120Hz panels. Once you realize just how amazing 120Hz is, at least if you're an FPS gamer, going back to 60Hz is nigh impossible. I went from a 24" 1920X1200 P-MVA to the 2233rz, and let me tell you, the benefit of 120Hz outweighs the cons.

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

As long as you have hardware calibration, the panel doesn't have excessive backlight bleed, and you only plan on viewing the monitor head on, the fact that the panel is a TN quickly becomes a moot point. However, I only say this for 120Hz panels. Once you realize just how amazing 120Hz is, at least if you're an FPS gamer, going back to 60Hz is nigh impossible. I went from a 24" 1920X1200 P-MVA to the 2233rz, and let me tell you, the benefit of 120Hz outweighs the cons.

I cant wait for a 120hz led backlit panel. Should be nice to see, thats why we only see some monitors here and there. Manufactures are slow to adopt for a reason, to keep marketing new crap. That way they always got something new to entice us extremist. Seriously, how hard would it be to standardize cheap 120hz led backlit e-ips panels. What are they waiting for? oh yeah, this way there is a reason to charge 2,000 dollars for a top end monitor every year. You can buy huge tv's for less.

[oohms]

I'd love to see what the input lag is on this thing. The newer dells are down to sub 15ms these days

[saaya]

only 500$? nice deal for a 23" 120hz panel!
if it would be 240hz id buy it right away...

[RPGWiZaRD]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...k=acer%20120hz

This one is cheaper $399.99 and it's also got the lowest ghosting of any 120Hz LCD (120Hz have like twice as little ghosting as 60Hz for starters), it's got nice factory calibrated colors and minimal backlight bleed. Only drawbacks might be the stand, it's maybe not that attractive to every1 and digitalversus shows slightly higher input lag than the other 120Hz LCDs but it could possibly be an issue only in non-native res too. Those who already got it are pleased and didn't notice any input lag at all.

There's a loooong thread about it here http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1466381

[saaya]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...k=acer%20120hz

This one is cheaper $399.99 and it's also got the lowest ghosting of any 120Hz LCD (120Hz have like twice as little ghosting as 60Hz for starters), it's got nice factory calibrated colors and minimal backlight bleed. Only drawbacks might be the stand, it's maybe not that attractive to every1 and digitalversus shows slightly higher input lag than the other 120Hz LCDs but it could possibly be an issue only in non-native res too. Those who already got it are pleased and didn't notice any input lag at all.

There's a loooong thread about it here http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1466381

def a nice alternative to the alienware screen... but acer... meh...
i suppose alienwares support isnt really outstanding either though so it probably wont matter much...

idk what all this fuss about 120hz screen ghosting is about... ive seen dozens of 120hz screens and never saw any ghosting whatsoever...
i think the problem is probably caused if you have less than 120 frames displayed at 120hz which means the screen or vga creates doubles of every frame, and, worse yet, interpolates them to make it look smooth and not stutter... idk if the screens ive seen ran special demos with high fps... but i really didnt notice any ghosting at all and im usually very sensitive to ghosting, flickering, stuttering, you name it

[Bodkin]

^ ghosting with 3D vision

[XS2K]

only 500$? nice deal for a 23" 120hz panel!
if it would be 240hz id buy it right away...

Why?
You need to run games at 240FPS and be blessed with a very good pair of eyes and cortex to benefit it.
@YukonTrooper-QFT,except for color gradients which if the dithering doesn't work well it creates noticeable steps between shades of a color.

[Levish]

^ on the flip side there's also no reason to artificially limit panels to 120hz if they can do 240hz (or even 480hz) just fine. If someone's running a older game that can run at 240hz why not "free it" to do so. I mean if you think about it, it sounds more like planned obsolescence to me.

[Rock&Roll]

I find it a bit odd that they're charging $500 for a monitor that only has a DVI and a HDMI input. D-SUB and DisplayPort anyone?

[-=DVS=-]

^ on the flip side there's also no reason to artificially limit panels to 120hz if they can do 240hz (or even 480hz) just fine. If someone's running a older game that can run at 240hz why not "free it" to do so. I mean if you think about it, it sounds more like planned obsolescence to me.

If im not mistaken 1080p @ 120hz is max bandwidth wise over Dual Link DVI cable , to get higher hz we need new tech. So 240hz/480hz is completely unreal.

[Helmore]

If im not mistaken 1080p @ 120hz is max bandwidth wise over Dual Link DVI cable , to get higher hz we need new tech. So 240hz/480hz is completely unreal.

Not if they used DisplayPort 1.2 to do it.

EDIT: Just did a bit of research, but you will be able to do that with a DisplayPort connection, not with HDMI though as HDMI does not have the necessary bandwidth.

[Andypro1]

I'd like to ask any of you display enthusiasts - is there any definitive web resource or forum that is the place to get up-to-date information on computer displays? I have yet to find such a place. AVSforums, while great for other A/V things, seems to focus only on TV set displays. I'm looking just for computer displays.

I am doing research into some monitor purchases and it would be helpful to have the latest models and features and discussion on said features. Thanks for any help.

More on topic: I definitely like that this is a 120Hz display, though I won't be considering it because it's a TN panel.

[Kaboka]

I'd like to ask any of you display enthusiasts - is there any definitive web resource or forum that is the place to get up-to-date information on computer displays? I have yet to find such a place. AVSforums, while great for other A/V things, seems to focus only on TV set displays. I'm looking just for computer displays.

I am doing research into some monitor purchases and it would be helpful to have the latest models and features and discussion on said features. Thanks for any help.

More on topic: I definitely like that this is a 120Hz display, though I won't be considering it because it's a TN panel.

i normaly use this site http://www.flatpanelshd.com/

[Decami]

While 120Hz on TV isn't the same experience, let's be specific so as not to place blame in the wrong area. TV displays that claim 120Hz are indeed panels capable of 120Hz. The video fed into it just isn't 120Hz native. It's purely an issue with input and not the output device part of it (the screen itself).

thats actually untrue, if the input was 120hz, it still would have issues, being that the video signal is scanned and processed through a small processor and converted to 120hz using interpolation and other methods depending on the company, other than that, its 60hz.

this is the reason you cant plug your computer into the tv and get real 120hz through a non DRM HDMI port. it does the same exact thing with that signal as well.

Is it possible for a LCDTV to be created to really do 120hz? yes, but it hasnt happened yet, as the only true 120hz TVs right now are DLP. I would imagine they would be extremely expensive.

your partly right though, the panel is capable, but its not as simple as plugging a 120hz feed into it to get 120hz.

240hz is worse, most 240hz tvs arent even really 240hz. In fact, I think its only 1 or 2 companies that actually convert 60 to the actual number of 240. its almost like they have turned this measurement into a marketing name.

[YukonTrooper]

I'd like to ask any of you display enthusiasts - is there any definitive web resource or forum that is the place to get up-to-date information on computer displays? I have yet to find such a place. AVSforums, while great for other A/V things, seems to focus only on TV set displays. I'm looking just for computer displays.

I am doing research into some monitor purchases and it would be helpful to have the latest models and features and discussion on said features. Thanks for any help.

More on topic: I definitely like that this is a 120Hz display, though I won't be considering it because it's a TN panel.

Use http://www.behardware.com/, http://www.digitalversus.com/, http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ and http://www.flatpanelshd.com/

[WeaponX]

where's OLED at?

[YukonTrooper]

where's OLED at?

LG has said it wants a consumer 20" panel on the market by 2010. Larger TV's (40"+) probably won't be available until late 2012. And the prices on these entry-market panels are going to seer a hole through your wallet, into the ground, and all the way to China.

OLED is definitely all kinds of sexy, though.

[jordan199]

This model LG LCD LG 47LH5000 work or not with nvidia 3d glasses ?
Has TruMotion 200Hz.

[Dainas]

Just found the Tech Specs and yes it's a TN panel .

Hmm TN panel plus 16:9, 120hz and says alienware on it...

The dew chugging Fatal1ty crowd will eat it up.

[Bodkin]

^ but as alienware is just dell you get the amazing warranty, were they pick the panal up from your door and give you a new one if there are problems.

[Teemax]

Input lag sux on pva and ips, only big drawback with ghosting.

Who told you so?
IPS panel has a lower response time than TN; but it has nothing to do with input lag.

[XS2K]

Who told you so?
IPS panel has a lower response time than TN; but it has nothing to do with input lag.

Not really,input lag is caused by processing inside the monitor and "usually" higher end models *VA/*IPS have more input lag than TN's but that's not always true since the latest eIPS and C-PVA monitors have low input lag, under one image,DELL 2209WA and Samsung F2380 are fine examples of this.
But pixel responsiveness is another thing and in this category TN still rule.