the same reason the sky is blue
the same reason the sky is blue
Rayleigh scattering?Originally Posted by NapalmV5
the same reason the sky is blue
Exactly!
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Ummmm.....what else would it be?
Scaling of the GF100 architecture either has to happen on a by-GPC basis or by SMs. Each multiprocessor contains 32 cores which means the cut-down card will either have 480, 448 or 416 SPs plus the accompanying texture units. 480 would make its performance too close to a GTX 480 and 416 may not be enough to compete with overclocked HD 5870 cards.
So, NVIDIA will probably choose the middle ground and make the GTX 470 with 448SPs and 56 texture units.
And yet it significantly outperforms the 5870 in terms of tessellation performance. And in no way was it tacked on as a reaction to ATI's tessellator. The DX11 spec mandates tessellation, Nvidia knew about it as soon as the DX11 spec went public, and they were probably made aware of DX11 details long before it went public as well.According to a lot of sources the PolyMorph engine was completely tacked on as a reaction to ATI and is not hardware based. Its a feature subset of the shader engine, no new circuitry from what I've seen/read.
Well people were complaining about going from GTX200 to GTX400 rather than GTX300.
I was pointing out that ATI has basically done the same thing in the past, going from X800 to X1000 rather than X900 and nobody complained about that.
Last edited by ElSel10; 02-02-2010 at 06:38 AM.
Come on man, I can't believe you are saying this like if you really think that ATI skipped anything there:Nobody complained when ATI went from X800 to X1000...
Radeon 7###.
Radeon 8###.
Radeon 9###.
Radeon X###.
Radeon X1###.
Radeon HD2###.
Sure, you can see the series here, when they have used every number up to 9###, they had to use a new scheme. They used X instead of 10 (roman numerals), and they started the new numeration cycle adding a new prefix digit from there (starting by 1 at the following generation, following by 2 the next, and so).
The only thing that changed in that scheme is that when DX10 cards where made, and they included the HD video postprocessing component in the GPU, they changed the X prefix by HD (because they wanted to reafirm the High Definition focus of the cards).
So, how can anybody complaint about the change from X800 to X1800 and X600 to X1600?
NVIDIA is skipping one generation here, which is hardly comparable to run out of numbers like it happened to ATI then. Not that great of a deal IMO, just messing a little with the marketing names like they did with 8800GT and 8800GTS 512MB (they should have been named as 9000 series, it was G92 chip, not G8x, I don't know why they did so yet). It can be a little confusing, but in this case is very straight forward because there is not any desktop product with a GTX300 or GTX400 marketing name, so it can't be so confusing like it was back then with the 8800GT and derivatives mess.
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That should keep me nice and busy.
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Who the heck cares if they "missed" a generation? Talk about nit picking...
It's over, they're done. It's FINISHED!!!!!
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Actually, I care a great deal if NVIDIA creates a whole "generation" out of rebranding.
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That's just lame.
Because the 400 series is way ahead of schedule unlike the 300 series.
Now that is an unfair statement. You're saying they would be like Bose?NVIDIA - The Way It's Meant To Manipulate Unsuspecting Buyers, version 2010.
That's just lame.
renaming before product launch... nice :p
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That's based on assumption and nothing more. Most of the GT200 series of cards aren't even in production anymore so you can't get a rebrand of something that doesn't exist.
People are jumping to conclusions here based off of the renaming of a single card. Heaven knows why NVIDIA did that with the 310 but I don't think it can set a precedent simply because the stock necessary for a rebadged launch isn't around.
I agree that the renaming is pretty lame but seriously anybody who is buying a discrete video card and doesn't know anything about what they are actually buying doesn't give a rats rumpus about it to begin with or should be seeking help in their purchase. Not everyone needs to be informed because it simply doesn't matter or that they simply don't care and just want video. An unsuspecting buyer that is clueless can just as easily end up with an AGP or PCI card, also considering very old video cards are still manufactured and sold today a consumer can end up with a 5 generation old video card just as easy a current gen video card without using basic common sense.
You don't have to be the sharpest tool in the shed to be able to read a product box to compare or simply google, its really not rocket science.
The world isn't going to hold the consumers hand, consumer's have survived happily for many years just fine and I believe they will continue to do so.
Obviously you are not falling for any rebranding, do you think you are that much smarter than the rest of the world...
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Is it?
You must have missed the "launch" of the new GeForce 300M chips then.
GTS 360M, GTS 350M, GTS 335M, GTS 330M, GTS325, 310M and 305M... that's a pretty complete line up there, and they're all rebrands.
BTW, those "brand new" Quattro FX Mobile? Rebrands.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17494/1/
Basing on a one card incident? Hardly!
Hold on....when did this conversation turn to mobile parts?
Just for curiosity, who is nit picking anything? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that this comment of yours, SKYMTL, is at least in part directed to my previous one. In such a case, I think you would have missunderstood my post (maybe didn't read it full, or paying attention?).
If I'm wrong, and you're not talking about my post, sorry then. I thought it was the case because you were talking about other different topics when I brought back the "skipping generations" one responding to someone who said that ATI "skipped" a generation from X800 to X1800 (don't ask me how).
If anything, the mobile parts give a good indication that NVIDIA continues their great rebranding scheme into their 3xx series. So it's actually an assumption to think that they'd stop.Hold on....when did this conversation turn to mobile parts?
There's nothing "smart" about it. You and I belong to a minority group of people who follow tech news closely.
Do you seriously believe that NVIDIA rebrand their cards just for fun and to piss off tech enthusiasts? They do it because it works, shady business tactics or not.
x900 isn't a generation thats like saying nvidia skipped 6900 or ati did skip 9900 lol
Fine, if you want to talk about mobile Quadro parts, let's do just that.
You point towards the Quadro article at Fudzilla to be an indication of rebadged parts. They are not. I have used Quadro cards for most of my professional life from the current 2700M in a laptop all the way back to the NVS days.
The previous generation of DX10-capable mobile Quadro cards were the 370M, 770M, 1700M, 2700M and 3700M. The new cards are all x8xxM which makes total sense to me considering they now support higher memory bandwidth, OpenCL 3.2, have EnergyStar certification, use a new power management system....the list goes on.
How is that a rebrand again? They added updated tech but you expect them to keep the same names? Now THAT would cause confusion.
Last edited by SKYMTL; 02-02-2010 at 08:51 AM.
You don't have to follow tech closely or be a techie to be informed no more than you have to be a mechanical engineer to purchase a car. What it boils down to is that those who are looking for a specific thing will do their research while those who don't care will simply buy what they have budgeted for regardless.
Its not about being in a minority group of folks that follow tech, its about having the basic common sense to know what you are spending your hard earned money on. Its the basic common sense to be somewhat informed before making any purchase unless you simply don't care at which point it doesn't matter either way.
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in 1-2 months from now... and their prices will drop a lot so their days wont be really numbered...
does it work?Whilst waiting for Fermi I've acquired a 3dfx Voodoo 5 6000. (not joking)
That should keep me nice and busy.
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be careful with the agp bridge chip, i heard those blow really easy :S
hahah who knows, maybe itll actually be the 5xx series by the time its launched
The HiNT chip is blown, but I've got a spare HiNT chip and an appointment with a BGA IR rework station.
The board powers up, Bios is accesible, so most likely it's the HiNT chip, so it should be working after the bridge chip is replaced. Fun stuff, looking forward to it.
ps, you're right about the bridge chip being sensitive, motherboard incompatibility can be a problem, the chip will simply overheat due to it, and blow.
Better be on topic again, otherwise we will get into trouble.
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Do these sources live in Neverland too? What exactly have you seen/read that leads you to that laughably incorrect conclusion?According to a lot of sources the PolyMorph engine was completely tacked on as a reaction to ATI and is not hardware based. Its a feature subset of the shader engine, no new circuitry from what I've seen/read.
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