Trade my 7D for a 5D Mark II?

[ridney]

I will be loosing a lot of important features from my 7D but would it be a good compromise in place for better IQ?

I will be doing mostly portraits stuff and landscape though, no sports or BIFs

[itznfb]

For portraits and landscapes the 5D is the superior body hands down. What features would you lose?

[RoadconeTuning]

i dont see how its even a question... 5DII dominates 7D in everything... WAY more dynamic range and incredible high iso control.

[Mescalamba]

Um.. 7D has 19 cross type AF points, 5D has 9 + 6 assist points (not selectable). 5D has half speed of 7D (3.9 vs 8 FPS). Tough, nothing is important for you.. just that viewfinder could have 100% and not just 98% (still better than 95% on D700).

But for landscapes, portraits.. yes, its better.

[ridney]

The features i would be missing from the 5DII would be 19 cross-type AF points and its various af selection modes, very good ai-servo tracking af drive and continous drive (though this is not a priority but good to have) 24,25,29.97 fps on 1080p video, dedicated video/live view button, quick settings button (i like this a lot), raw + jpeg button, viewfinder grid lines and electronic level, better weather sealing and ergonomics...

i feel like i would be downgrading from 7D to the 5DII without those features though the IQ cannot be denied that it would be a lot better on the 5DII.

[Elisha]

The 5D2 is essentially a single point AF camera in low light. Anything other than center point AF will have a hard time locking on focus. If you can live with that, then go for it.
To me, that's the biggest downside.

5D2 and 7D are not in the same segment. The 5D2 is a butchered 1Ds3 and the 7D is a baby 1D4.
Even the 40D/50D had a better AF system than the 5D2. But this all doesn't matter if you use MF and that is why the video guys absolutely love this camera.

[itznfb]

The features i would be missing from the 5DII would be 19 cross-type AF points and its various af selection modes, very good ai-servo tracking af drive and continous drive (though this is not a priority but good to have) 24,25,29.97 fps on 1080p video, dedicated video/live view button, quick settings button (i like this a lot), raw + jpeg button, viewfinder grid lines and electronic level, better weather sealing and ergonomics...

i feel like i would be downgrading from 7D to the 5DII without those features though the IQ cannot be denied that it would be a lot better on the 5DII.

None of those features are relevant for portrait and and landscape. Going to a 5D is a major upgrade for the what you say you'll be using it for. A large part of being good at something is having the right tool for the job. The 5D is it for portrait/landscape.

[RoadconeTuning]

yeah, you've stated a bunch of features that are irrevelevant to portrait or landscape photog... the bazzilion point autofocus stuff is a gimmick to me, even the autofocus system on a 1dMkII has too many points to me and a D300/D3 is rediculous... im happy with my 11 point system in my D90 and i deal with the D70's 5 point system.

i havent heard of the 7d being a baby 1dMkIV... i did some research and to me it looks like a hopped up 50D and thats NOT a good thing... i was seriously considering switching to canon and getting a 7d but after seeing side by side comparisons there is no way i'd go with a 7d... a gripped 5DII DOMINATES the 7D... all of those "features" are gimmicks to me.


for the one thing that matters, the end result, the 5DII is by far the better camera... everything else is hogwash.

[Elisha]

i havent heard of the 7d being a baby 1dMkIV... i did some research and to me it looks like a hopped up 50D and thats NOT a good thing... i was seriously considering switching to canon and getting a 7d but after seeing side by side comparisons there is no way i'd go with a 7d... a gripped 5DII DOMINATES the 7D... all of those "features" are gimmicks to me.

Every review out there clearly states it's not in the same segment as the 50D. So I'd like you to show me your sources saying that it is a hopped up 50D.

Almost every single aspect of the 7D is totally new.

[Janno]

5d mk2? yes, please!

[itznfb]

Every review out there clearly states it's not in the same segment as the 50D. So I'd like you to show me your sources saying that it is a hopped up 50D.

Almost every single aspect of the 7D is totally new.

You said the 7D was a 1D baby which is blatantly way off base. The 7D and 1D could not be more different. The 7D is in fact a 50D with a professional body and some upgraded features. Just like the D300s is a D90 with a professional body and some upgraded features. The 1D is in a class of it's own. Canon makes nothing similar neither does Nikon. The only 'baby' version is really the 5D being a baby version of the 1Ds.

[Elisha]

You said the 7D was a 1D baby which is blatantly way off base. The 7D and 1D could not be more different. The 7D is in fact a 50D with a professional body and some upgraded features. Just like the D300s is a D90 with a professional body and some upgraded features. The 1D is in a class of it's own. Canon makes nothing similar neither does Nikon. The only 'baby' version is really the 5D being a baby version of the 1Ds.

Ok you tell me how similar it is to the 50D and I will tell you how similar it is to the 1D series.

Also give more credit to the D300. The D90 is not in the same league. Totally different metering system and AF system. Only similarity is the LCD screen.

[Mescalamba]

Dunno, but Canon 7D seems like whole new? I guess thats why its 7D instead of 70D or something like that..

[Lestat]

woah woah woah... the 7D is a hopped up 50D

dude you seriously need to lay off the nikon crack....

bro i respect your thoughts on alot of photography stuff but you got balls calling a 7D a hopped up 50D....... not even in the same ing league

the IQ and ISO performance are MARGINAL at best and anyone who thinks differently seriously needs to lay off the sony/nikon/panasonic pipe and do some unbiased reading... seriously.... they are not that different.

[ridney]

using a 5DII as a single af point camera, i don't think i can live with that. it would only get me blurry pictures if i have to recompose on every shot i make. and what use would the high iso performance be if it can't focus...

i guess i'll just have to wait for the 5DIII or even a 3D in the future

[itznfb]

Ok you tell me how similar it is to the 50D and I will tell you how similar it is to the 1D series.

Also give more credit to the D300. The D90 is not in the same league. Totally different metering system and AF system. Only similarity is the LCD screen.

Well first and most importantly the 50D and 7D have the same sensor, the same processor, are geared towards the same type of photography, have the same controls, same cleaning system, I could go on about just about every feature. None of these are shared by the 1D.

I own both. The D300s and D90 have the same internals. It's the same camera. It doesn't have a totally different metering system it has a more advanced version of the same metering system.

Dunno, but Canon 7D seems like whole new? I guess thats why its 7D instead of 70D or something like that..

It's a 7D because it's considered Prosumer instead of Consumer. That has to do with it's external differences. Not internal.

woah woah woah... the 7D is a hopped up 50D

dude you seriously need to lay off the nikon crack....

bro i respect your thoughts on alot of photography stuff but you got balls calling a 7D a hopped up 50D....... not even in the same ing league

the IQ and ISO performance are MARGINAL at best and anyone who thinks differently seriously needs to lay off the sony/nikon/panasonic pipe and do some unbiased reading... seriously.... they are not that different.

Layoff the Nikon crack? Really? Did I not make the exact same comparison with the Nikon cameras?

The 7D and 50D are in fact in the same league since they are nearly identical. I don't consider prosumer and consumer different leagues. It's basically new firmware on the metering and AF system, some marketing gimicks and a weather sealed body. That's for Nikon or Canon.

[Elisha]

Well first and most importantly the 50D and 7D have the same sensor, the same processor, are geared towards the same type of photography, have the same controls, same cleaning system, I could go on about just about every feature. None of these are shared by the 1D.

I own both. The D300s and D90 have the same internals. It's the same camera. It doesn't have a totally different metering system it has a more advanced version of the same metering system.



It's a 7D because it's considered Prosumer instead of Consumer. That has to do with it's external differences. Not internal.



Layoff the Nikon crack? Really? Did I not make the exact same comparison with the Nikon cameras?

The 7D and 50D are in fact in the same league since they are nearly identical. I don't consider prosumer and consumer different leagues. It's basically new firmware on the metering and AF system, some marketing gimicks and a weather sealed body. That's for Nikon or Canon.

Holy crap where do I even start. The fact that you don't even know how to read specs amazes me. I don't want to insult my own intelligence by proving how wrong you are on everything you just typed out.

[Marin]

Well first and most importantly the 50D and 7D have the same sensor, the same processor, are geared towards the same type of photography, have the same controls, same cleaning system, I could go on about just about every feature. None of these are shared by the 1D.

- The 7D and 50D don't share the same sensor.
- The 7D has dual DIGIC 4 processors, while the 50D only has one
- The 7D has a completely different AF system
- The 7D has a completely different metering system
- The 7D has weather sealing
- The 7D has wireless flash control
- The 7D has a improved VF
- The 7D and 50D are aimed at different photographers. The biggest giveaway, the lack of different auto-modes.

I could go on...

[itznfb]

- The 7D and 50D don't share the same sensor.
- The 7D has dual DIGIC 4 processors, while the 50D only has one
- The 7D has a completely different AF system
- The 7D has a completely different metering system
- The 7D has weather sealing
- The 7D has wireless flash control
- The 7D has a improved VF
- The 7D and 50D are aimed at different photographers. The biggest giveaway, the lack of different auto-modes.

I could go on...

Really? Because I think I'll believe Canon over you. According to Canon's spec sheet it's the same sensor. According to Canon it's the same processor, according to Canon it's the same AF sensor with an upgraded mechanical structure and a few more points, the 50D does have wireless flash control,.... I could go on. But strange... EVEN if you were right... you would have just described a hopped up 50D.

[ridney]

I think the 7D autofocus system differs greatly to that of the 50D, to the extent that they did not carry-on from the previous lower models. All 19 points in the AF sensor has a one-to-one compatiblity with each 63 metering zones. And they used a separate processor to handle AF calculations (which were previously found only in the 1D series) to handle the 8 fps continous shooting and not only that, it is now able to display the AF point tracking within the AI-servo. They said that having all those crosstype point sensors were more complicated and it required them some higher technology to put it all together into the 7D

With regards to the sensor of 7D and 50D, i believe that they are the same in size but differs in sensor-manufacturing process which allowed them to put all 18 megapixels into an APS-C sized area while maintaining dynamic range and noise levels that of larger sensors. This process means a compact circuitry designed to maintain the size of photodiodes despite the reduced pixel pitch all made possible by reducing the distance between light sensitive photodiode and the light amplifying microlens.

Pardon my sudden knowledge of the 7D, i'm just getting all of these information from my canon magazine peace be with you all

[itznfb]

The dual processors on the 7D do not function the same way they do on the 1D series. The 7D has a single processor dedicated to image processing and a single processor dedicated to AF. Whereas the 1D has dual processors functioning as two single processors processing in tandem. Yes the 7D has new AF mechanics and new firmware as well as new firmware for the metering system. The sensor is labeled as "new" in the same way that the Nikon D3s processor and sensor were labeled new. It's new firmware applied to old hardware.

[Marin]

Can you post the spec sheet you're looking at, since nothing that I've seen online confirms what you're saying.

[itznfb]

50D http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...elTechSpecsAct
7D http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...elTechSpecsAct

Right on their main site. No where have I ever seen anyone claim that the 7D has a new sensor until this thread. Not even the biggest Canon fanbois on potn claim such a thing. If it were a new sensor, they would have mentioned a new sensor in the press release http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedat...901_eos7d.html

As I said before. The new metering system is the same hardware with new firmware and the AF system has a few new mechanical pieces but it's main improvements have also come from a firmware upgrade.

If you want to claim the 7D is in a different league you won't find anyone to agree with you (except in this thread apparently). Even comparing their technical performance they are nearly identical while the 5D MkII and even the older 1D MkIII blow the 7D and 50D out of the water in everything except base ISO sensitivity talking strictly about the 1D MkIII. Obviously the MkIV decimates all of them in ISO sensitivity.
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng...rand3%29/Canon
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng...rand3%29/Canon
As you can see the 50D and 7D are nearly identical. The 5D and 1D, not so much.

To add: The D90, D300s, D3 comparison is similar... I could post the D700 as well but no point....
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng...rand3%29/Nikon
The D90 from a technical performance perspective ranks higher than the D300s. This is something I noticed first hand when I first purchased the D300s. However, the D300s makes up for it with a more advanced ADL system.

[Mescalamba]

Well, it has new sensor from mpix point of view (18 mpix has only this camera). But technology used is similar to rest.. (quite obvious and probably limit of technology, considering noise).

19-point all cross-type AF (f/2.8 at center: Dual Cross Sensor) vs 9 (Cross-type) is different, but not hardware used for actuall focusing, only numbers..

35 vs 63 zone TTL is different too.. but HW same.

I guess I know what you wanted to say, that its simply 50D on steroids. Which it apparently is.

Difference between D300s and D90 could be that one is Sony design and one is Nikon. I know that D700 and D3 (D3s) are pure Nikon design. APS-C and D3X is supposed to be Sony design.. tough I'm not sure if all APS-C are Sony or not (maybe D90 isn't and thats why its that good).

[itznfb]

Well, it has new sensor from mpix point of view (18 mpix has only this camera). But technology used is similar to rest.. (quite obvious and probably limit of technology, considering noise).

19-point all cross-type AF (f/2.8 at center: Dual Cross Sensor) vs 9 (Cross-type) is different, but not hardware used for actuall focusing, only numbers..

35 vs 63 zone TTL is different too.. but HW same.

I guess I know what you wanted to say, that its simply 50D on steroids. Which it apparently is.

Difference between D300s and D90 could be that one is Sony design and one is Nikon. I know that D700 and D3 (D3s) are pure Nikon design. APS-C and D3X is supposed to be Sony design.. tough I'm not sure if all APS-C are Sony or not (maybe D90 isn't and thats why its that good).

For Nikon all changes regarding the sensor are software based. Nikon has no manufacturing facility and rely 100% on Sony's sensor development. Though Nikon's software implementation of Sony's sensors is way beyond Sony's own software implementation of it's own sensors.

Though Sony has decided to not release several of it's new sensors to other companies. Hence why we will not see a D4x for a long long time. Sony will not release another 20+ mpix sensor. So Nikon is either going to have to start making their own... or... what, rely on Canon maybe?

This is why Canon has such an advantage over Nikon. Nikon is not an electronics company. It's a glass company. Canon is both.