Swiftech unveils MCR Drive Heat Exchangers

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

speaking of XS

i or some hardly fit your description...

and restriction most of the kids think restriction. feeding kids koolaide..

what is this koolaid you speak of? if you care to elaborate that is.

I was under the impression that koolaid is "a brand of flavored drink mix owned by the Kraft Foods Company." and yes I read the wiki, stop comparing a forum to a suicide cult.

[Jamesrt2004]

Shame it has to be used with 25mm thick fan as a min!

Edit: Oh yeah and is there a plan for a single sized version?

FAIL if you wana use it with anything less then 25mm anyways.. NO static pressure is baddd

and im sure 5mm wont make a diff.. stop hating on a innovative product and get a h50



@ Gabe... im guessing 355 is obv compatable with this =)

[jcool]

Gabe,

do you have some exact dimensions for us? Looked into the manual but didn't see any. Thanks

[Tomasis]

Gabe,

do you have some exact dimensions for us? Looked into the manual but didn't see any. Thanks

+1. im interested of mcr drive. very good concept and only 2 hoses.

[Factotum]

mcw220 with integrated reservoir = $59.95
________________________________
All in one = MCR220-DRIVE-B $134.95 (+125% )

mcw220 with integrated reservoir = $59.95
MCP350™ $79.95
_____________________________
All in one = MCR220-DRIVE $196.95 (+40% )

[prava]

I don't understand those of you who complain, seriously. This is not another rad nor another top...this is something we didn't have: pure innovation. It may not be for everybody, but this is how world is. Lets just say thanks to Gabe (and his team behind him) and encourage other manufacturers to follow his steps and bring new stuff to us.

Gabe, measurements would be reallly handful.

[Factotum]

I don't understand those of you who complain, seriously. This is not another rad nor another top...this is something we didn't have: pure innovation.

true, but:
1. innovation have big price
2. integrated top don't change, its no good
may be for HTPC? - price HTPC and price WC for HTPC?
for PC - nothing

[Tomasis]

mcw220 with integrated reservoir = $59.95
________________________________
All in one = MCR220-DRIVE-B $134.95 (+125% )

mcw220 with integrated reservoir = $59.95
MCP350™ $79.95
_____________________________
All in one = MCR220-DRIVE $196.95 (+40% )

add costs for extra barbs, hose, reservoir, top for pump..

mcr drive is good for compact space as whole wc kit

[gabe]

No not really! Needs a little more work.... I see room for a 2nd port on that existing resivor cavity where you could have a reservoir addon feature!!

I can envision a small rectangular cube that dosent extend past the radiator or above the fans

Yes I agree. This is something we have been thinking about, but it is much more complicated than you think given the manufacturing process that we use for the plenums. I think that eventually we will find an economical and elegant solution.

I'm wondering why the reservoir wasn't extended to the same height as the pump? If that was done, then a horizontal mounting position with a functional reservoir would be possible right?

see above..

Looks really awesome! Hows the vibration absorbtion?

The pump housing is solidary from the radiator, so vibrations will travel thru. When mounted directly to a pannel, it is a good idea to decouple the assembly from the pannel by using silicon gaskets (between fan and pannel)for example. When used with the Radbox, the plastic housing acts as a damper.

Gabe,

do you have some exact dimensions for us? Looked into the manual but didn't see any. Thanks

mcw220 with integrated reservoir = $59.95
________________________________
All in one = MCR220-DRIVE-B $134.95 (+125% )

mcw220 with integrated reservoir = $59.95
MCP350™ $79.95
_____________________________
All in one = MCR220-DRIVE $196.95 (+40% )

Yes, I agree that when you compare the MCR Res (a swiftech exclusive) + a pump there is a big difference; but please also read this cost analysis, comparing to a traditional (granted using swiftech components) 4 device loop: http://www.swiftech.com/PRODUCTS/mcr...0analysis.html


To be totally candid, the reason why there is such a difference between MCR Res and MCR Drive, is that the pump housing is precision CNC'd from brass. I absolutely envision drastic cost reductions in the future as production ramps up, and different manufacturing methods are used. If this concept takes off, there is no reason why the cost for the pump housing wouldn't be just a few Dollars more if anything at all.

[NaeKuh]

Hey gabe i dont understand why u guys have it with a 350 and not a 355.
Can you at least offer the option of either or?

Direct from YOUR website:
MSRP
Description Part # MSRP
MCP355™ Pump MCP355
$79.95


Why not just sub a 355 instead? Its the same price, and better performance.

Is there a specific reason why u guys picked the 350 over the 355?

[Manicdan]

wow this thing is great for a build i was going to do next. i like WCing, but i dont like too much weight or large parts everywhere.

i will say that like a few others here, they are expecting a good quality powerful pump. i hope to soon see a 355 used and voltage/speed adjustment options. when im not benching i like to keep the pump much lower and shave off 10-12W.

[geoffsthaboss]

looks great but just saw it on frozen...and seems a little expensive. i thought the price of the ones without the pumps were the ones with the pump...

not knocking the idea at all but its steeper than i expected

[Tomasis]

I absolutely envision drastic cost reductions in the future as production ramps up, and different manufacturing methods are used. If this concept takes off, there is no reason why the cost for the pump housing wouldn't be just a few Dollars more if anything at all.

lets hope for it

i vote for 355 for including the kit. no much price difference from 350.

[Waterlogged]

Hey gabe i dont understand why u guys have it with a 350 and not a 355.
Can you at least offer the option of either or?

Direct from YOUR website:
MSRP
Description Part # MSRP
MCP355™ Pump MCP355
$79.95


Why not just sub a 355 instead? Its the same price, and better performance.

Is there a specific reason why u guys picked the 350 over the 355?

I'd be worried about cavitation with a 355. . .heck, I'm kind of surprised/impressed it doesn't cavitate with the 350.

[_G_]

Any chance of making a radbox but with a 60mm offset and open?
Made an offset bracket long ago for a rad mount to get the barbs lined up with the rear 120mm fan hole.
(plz excuse the crappy phone pic lol)

[redphil]

I am currently using a Dual-Heat Exchanger mounted on the back of my case like the one shown in the pictures. But in my case (and I think in the case of many others) there would be a downside with the MCR Drive: the tubeholes of a lot of cases (like the ones of my Lian-Li) are in a high position above the position of the Heat Exchanger. But it's not useful to mount the MCR Drive with the tube-connectors upwards. So that's a bit unhandy.

You can see the problem in the following picture:

Besides, interesting and helpful product .

[Jamesrt2004]

its not hard to take out a pcie slot bracket n route it through there tho :/

[mrcape]

I got a swiftech res rad about a year ago and was skeptical at first, but I have to say that it was a freaking awesome purchase. It almost makes a separate res seem dumb after using both normal rad and res and the combo rad in single block loops and comparing performance. Not sure how it would do with a pump in the mix but I love the res/rad.

[Stewie007]

Hey, are you the same gabe that replies to the emails? :-p Are you absolutely sure I can't get away with NPT and a sealant? ^_^

[redphil]

its not hard to take out a pcie slot bracket n route it through there tho :/

The diameter of the tube is too big for that.

[Bolas]

Are the pumps powerful enough that you could mount additional plain vanilla radiators in series with them for extra cooling?

For example, on a Lian Li PC-343B case, I could see mounting two of the swiftech dual all-in-one radiator/pump/reservoir combos in the front of the unit and then a couple more regular radiators on the top of the unit to give more cooling.

[Bolas]

I don't understand those of you who complain, seriously. This is not another rad nor another top...this is something we didn't have: pure innovation. It may not be for everybody, but this is how world is. Lets just say thanks to Gabe (and his team behind him) and encourage other manufacturers to follow his steps and bring new stuff to us.

I totally agree. Very nice innovation, wonder why I didn't think of it myself!

If someone's complaining that this design is not perfect... I seem to remember that the first computer left a lot to be desired as well, but that over time, it has improved.

Looks pretty nice to me for an all-in-one solution for a small form factor system.

Swiftech: The next step is to highlight to people some cases which would be ideal for mounting these vertically. Perhaps even work with a case builder (ahem, Lian Li) to design a case which is custom configured to hold these products. I forsee a case with a triple across the front, and a dual across the back, for quick and easy installation of a dual-loop water cooling solution.

Perhaps take a 3-compartment case style like a Lian Li X1000 and turn the design on it's side like a Maingear Shift. Then the rad/pump/res combos would be oriented vertically and in their own compartment. A couple tubes would enter the main compartment, go to the blocks, and back out. Simple, concealed, neat, and isolated from the main part of the unit.

[gabe]

I am currently using a Dual-Heat Exchanger mounted on the back of my case like the one shown in the pictures. But in my case (and I think in the case of many others) there would be a downside with the MCR Drive: the tubeholes of a lot of cases (like the ones of my Lian-Li) are in a high position above the position of the Heat Exchanger. But it's not useful to mount the MCR Drive with the tube-connectors upwards. So that's a bit unhandy.

You can see the problem in the following picture:

Besides, interesting and helpful product .

if you have at least one PCI opening available, you can drive your tubes thru it

[gabe]

Hey, are you the same gabe that replies to the emails? :-p Are you absolutely sure I can't get away with NPT and a sealant? ^_^

I am the same Gabe yes, but I responded that you CANNOT use NPT fittings with our threads..

Here is copy of our exchange:

Hi There:

These threads are absolutely not compatible. Sorry :-(

Best regards,


Gabe



From: Michael ......
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:42 AM
To: Help
Subject: Threaded fittings question.

Your radiators are threaded to fit BSPP fittings and G1/4 threads. The problem is, for various reasons, I am going to use them with metal piping and I cannot find such fittings to accomodate this use. Are the NPSM threaded holes at all compatible with NPT with the use of a good sealant?

Regards,

Mike

[gabe]

The diameter of the tube is too big for that.

you can easily remove one of the partitions between two slots, , and it fit just fine, and still allow to install a PCI device in one of the slots.