This can't be good for Nvidia if it's true.
linkREMEMBER THE TRIUMPHANT WIN for Fermi at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory that Nvidia heavily touted at its GTC conference keynote? The supercomputer project was just killed for power reasons. Fermi power reasons. Whoops.
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tsubame is still in line for fermi and they have a 1 megawatt power budget.
that sucks it was cancelled. it could have done a lot of research.
So fermis use a lot of power? That's not usually an issue with supercomputers unless the perf/W is also low.
190TDP for the 3gb base model quadro
My guess is they did not want to wait until early Q2 2010....
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im sure they will do even more research with better cardsOriginally Posted by Chumbucket843
tsubame is still in line for fermi and they have a 1 megawatt power budget.
that sucks it was cancelled. it could have done a lot of research.
It's all good. I know of a nice place in 'Longhorn Country' that is under NDA developing a visual setup with Fermi as we speak
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You mean the ones that don't exist?
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ATIs cards seem pretty real to me.
You said "better cards" though, which rules out any current ATI cards. Future card I'm not sure.
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Yes, because assuming that a card will be better than one that is not released yet it a logical thought process.
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Well CUDA on GT200 already makes the OpenCL implementation on any ATI card look broken by comparison and CUDA is going to be further improved on Fermi so it would logical to assume it is better yet.
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dude ... read this first
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=241120
I want them to use ati cards instead i'd find it hilarious..
anyway this foreshadowing high power req's I reckon.. they have to do something with power anyways they can ONLY have 300w right :S cos of pcie spec? but yeah :S external power would be the way forward.... I wish we had somethign to more efficiently cool these cards. (by these cards i mean ALL modern cards)
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Interesting, some sources have stated it wasn't cancelled but rather expanded and given a new name. That could be why Charlie heard it was cancelled.
I highly suggest you wait for official confirmation from ORNL on this one. They are usually very up front with their press announcements even if they are cancelling a project.
What sources are these? I'd love to see them and I hate Charlie!
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No, ATIs current cards will beat anything nVidia releases in the next year for power efficiency. And it sounds like 5890 will actually be faster than fermi anyway, and come out sooner. So no, nVidia loses no matter which way you look at it.
You must know something I don't considering there is zero official information on power and performance on the 5890 and the power and performance of the GeForce based Fermi. Even I don't have that specific information with the NDA info.
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Are you guys seriously talking about power efficiency? The competition is CPUs and the most power inefficient GPU is still far more efficient than the best CPU.
In either case Fermi has no competition. HD 58xx's gaming performance means squat in an environment where Fermi's ECC support and cache hierarchy are a big deal.
actually you would be wrong. even if they were they would not even be a scalable or reliable option. fermi will tear apart r800 in double precision too.
Apparently I do know something you don't. It is common knowledge that the 5800 series has the best power efficiency in several generations and 5890 is not going to be any different. At the moment ATI has shipped about a million of these cards, while nVidia is still selling the same 8800 GTX from ten years ago with different plastic on it (I'm not counting the fake fermi boards that were at the development conference, also with different plastic on them).
If nVidia can ever figure out how to design chips at 40nm so that they actually work when they come out of the factory, they can sell a product...until then ATI is going to be planning exactly how they are going to spoil the launch day. If you read any sort of news about the GPU industry you would have sold your stock in nVidia desktop graphics by now...I'd suggest getting out before it's too late
LMAO, and what do you base that statement on? 003 and his fans are hilarious!!!
Im not saying Fermi can not beat ATI's cards, but hell... nobody knows what Fermi will be like ATM.
nvidia already announced speed of tesla. so thank you for the insult.LMAO, and what do you base that statement on? 003 and his fans are hilarious!!!
Im not saying Fermi can not beat ATI's cards, but hell... nobody knows what Fermi will be like ATM.if you dont believe me go on their website.
the scalability and reliablity is from ecc which no other gpu has.
So what exactly is the TDP of the high end Fermi based GeForce? And what about 3D performance? Because without that information you can not logically make the claims you are trying to assert.
OpenCL implementation on ATI is garbage. Talk to any programmer who has done work with ATI and OpenCL and Nvidia CUDA. CUDA is much more straightforward and intuitive and supported, and better performing as well (more direct access to the GPU). And it's about to get a lot better with Fermi. Plus Fermi has ECC which will be the deciding factor for any organizations and institutions who are serious about GPGPU.LMAO, and what do you base that statement on? 003 and his fans are hilarious!!!
Im not saying Fermi can not beat ATI's cards, but hell... nobody knows what Fermi will be like ATM.
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And GeForce wont have it ether (Quadro only), or that is what the "The GT300/Fermi Thread" tells me, again quotes with no source.nvidia already announced speed of tesla. so thank you for the insult.
the scalability and reliablity is from ecc which no other gpu has.
Show me an actual review/benchmark and i will believe everything, till then i will just laugh my ass to hell and back every time someone hypes Fermi or even the 5800 over Fermi.
It is a very good thing that GeForce won't have ECC. It is a significant performance hit. Especially because it is 2-bit ECC.
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