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It doesn't meen 2 Bulldozer "cores" will be only 80% faster than 1 K10.5 core they aren't even comparing K10.5... 1 Bulldozer Module will be faster than 2 K10.5 cores by good margins.
With Bulldozer comes CMT "Cluster Multi-Threading" which will basically have 2 "cores" in 1 "Bulldozer Module" - one CMT unit. With one of the Integer Schedulers working we have a performance number of 1. With both Integer Schedulers working in one of these "modules" we will see a performance number of 1.8.
But what do these performance numbers represent, at the moment noone knows, but each Bulldozer "core" will definitely be faster than a K10.5 core that is for sure.
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Never thought of someone doing it quite like that before but I guess it works. Pretty cool. Clean up the setup and I would say its pretty innovative. Whats the turbo lag like on that being that it has to travel so far.
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AMD just stated that 2 cores inside the module(or a big core if you will) net 80% linear increase in throughput over a module with one single Bulldozer core inside it... That's all. Nothing is said performance wise or compared to Shanghai cores. Each integer core inside BD module is 4 way capable,while Shanghai is 3way capable core.Theoretically if you have a mix of int and fp code,BD module will simply destroy 2 K10.5 cores in throughput since it has much higher theoretical throughput capability(think 2x higher),plus it has a much much more potent SIMD unit (FMAC capable).Single thread perf. should also get a healthy bump due to uarch. modifications (before mentioned wider decoding + more on the memory disambiguation front + a whole new Turbo mode on the core level inside the modules etc.).
You're not completely correct on that one. AMD has indirectly provided some performance comparisons with K10.5. Just look "Upgrade to Bulldozer" part over in this article: http://it.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3681&p=3
There it states this: "Two times 4 Bulldozer modules (2 x 8 "cores" or 16 cores) are about 60 to 80% faster than the twelve core Opteron 6100 CPU in SPECInt_rate". Lets presume that's for two CPUs clocked at the same frequency to make it easier. This would mean that a single BD module will be about 20% to 35% faster than a dual core K10.5 based CPU in integer performance. In a later article by AnandTech, Anand simply states this:I actually wouldn't be surprised if a single BD module is at least about 10-20% faster than a dual core K10.5 CPU in general performance. Remember though, that single BD module will be about the same size as a Sandy Bridge core, maybe a bit smaller than that. Quite an achievement.Originally Posted by AnanTech
That's all still a bit speculation though. We'll just have to reserve judgement until it's launched.
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Guys, I don't understand why any of you think bulldozer will be weaker than k10.5. It's pretty obvious, just from the increase in SSE instructions and the additional integer pipeline that a single bulldozer "core" will be considerably faster than a k10.5 core.
I think this article was clearly written by people who really have no clue about what bulldozer is, let alone what FP and Int stand for. Just the fact that they made that stupid k9 crack (when if anything it should be k11) shows their pure ignorance for this design. Trusting the wording in the article is like asking Charlie advise on buying Nvidia stock, you could do it if you want, but I certainly would not.
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i'm no engineer but ill take a wild guess and say linear scaling is impossible!! so that 10% hit is so low considering that more cores you add the less it should scale
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Of course 100% scaling is impossible, you would need to live in a perfect world where electrons didn't leak out of the system. A 20% hit in multithreaded performance is really good considering each core takes up only 50% of a full core. Even having two full cores would still have a performance hit, smaller than 20%, but nothing scales at 100% efficiency.
more than 100% scaling is possible as long as something is being over saturated. like going from 1GB to 2GB while playing GTA4 maxed out. for a cpu i dont see there being any similar scenarios though.
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^nice, i wish though they did a bit more comparing the die space to other chips, instead of just itself.
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