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    ASUS Xtreme Design competition- "White Dwarf"

    Note: (Major buildlog update shortcuts at bottom of this first post)

    The contest and the components
    Earlier this month, ASUS Computer created a contest called “ASUS Xtreme Design”,
    calling on computer enthusiasts to showcase their concepts on what kind of unique systems they could imagine and build,
    leveraging ASUS main components and their accompanying technologies to their advantage.
    20 winners were chosen from phase 1 (concept phase).
    I was chosen as one of the 20 winners of the concept phase.

    Now begins phase 2 (build phase) of the contest,
    where the other 19 winners and I are building their systems with the components provided by ASUS and the other contest sponsors,
    this is to thank and showcase the contest sponsors:

    ASUS, First and foremost, for putting on the contest:



    ASUS P7P55D Premium motherboard-

    A very sexy looking motherboard (MOSFET heatsinks look awesome),
    including full speed SATA 6Gbps ports, 32 phase CPU power design (!),
    Fan Xpert (motherboard fan control, 1xPWM, 2x voltage control),
    integrated ExpressSSD for internet access almost instantly/without booting to Windows,
    hybrid power management, autotune overclocking , external overclocking remote.

    ASUS Nvidia GTX260 GL+ (55nm Core 216) video card-

    This card uses a GTX275 PCB, newer 55nm GPU fabrication process, and non-reference “copper core” fan.
    I will be swapping out the included HSF for a full cover water block, detailed later.

    Intel Core i7-860 CPU-

    Latest LGA 1156 socket, Hyperthreading for more CPU efficiency in many programs,
    more turbo boost and less power consumption than the Core i7-900 series.
    Comes with a woefully inadequate fan in retail boxed version
    (picture compares E8xxx Core 2 Duo to Core i7-860 HSF)..
    I do like the smaller/less bulky retail box though, seems more efficient, even in packaging .
    Stock HSF will be replaced with a water block for better cooling performance under overclocking conditions,
    as well as more freedom in system packaging (no tall “tower” air HSF to deal with.


    G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-2133-


    Since LGA 1156 only supports dual channel DDR3 memory, (LGA 1366 supports triple channel),
    the 2133Mhz transfer speed will provide plenty of memory bandwidth to feed data to the hungry 8-threaded CPU with Intel turbo boost.
    This memory kit comes with some nice looking heatspreaders and a dedicated fan to cool the memory.
    I won’t be utilizing the fan for a couple reasons- I don’t think DDR3 gets hot enough to require both a fan and a heatspreader,
    I will have enough case airflow blasting the memory to keep it cool enough anyways, and my case design is already fairly limited on internal volume.


    Samsung 128GB SSD-


    Extreme disk access speed, both in sequential throughput and random accesses.
    Faster boot times, faster game and program load times, but trade off in total storage space.
    In the computer storage hierarchy, it is in between DRAM and magnetic disk platter (HDD);
    SSD access is faster than HDD, but more expensive per GB than HD...
    DRAM is even faster access than SSD, but more expensive per GB than SSD.
    I will include some other SSDs or possibly a HDD in my system for more mass storage space.

    Antec Quattro 850W Power supply –
    <PSU pic>
    850watts, 80+ bronze efficiency rating, nice looking black and yellow “race car” stripes/number paint design,
    modular cables to reduce clutter and thereby improve airflow (essential for a small case design as mine).
    What’s not to like?
    This PSU only has an 80mm cooling fan on the rear, and intake ports on the front,
    unlike many power supplies that now have a 120+mm fan on the bottom of the PSU and vents on the rear.
    This could be a good or bad thing for your case airflow, depending on how yours is designed.
    Note that the smaller fan is not an indicator of less power, but rather greater efficiency.
    A large portion of the PSU interior is taken up by a massive heatsink to cool the interior components.
    Because of this large heatsink, this PSU is also notably longer than a standard ATX power supply,
    so be aware of the extra length clearance required, if you are considering it for your build.

    Razer Lycosa Keyboard and mouse-


    For the gaming community we have an 1800 dpi mouse, and a nice keyboard to match.
    Keyboard has some tack to the keys, to help your fingers “grip” the keys and not slide around on the key surface.
    Keyboard has short throw keys like a laptop keyboard, but the action feels very precise.
    Keyboard also includes USB port and audio connectors on the back side of the keyboard, a nice convenience if your case is sitting on the floor or more than arm’s reach away from you.
    Mouse is very accurate and has the same “tack” feel as the keyboard.
    Lots of black.


    UPDATE: Monday 11/23/2009
    The parts arrive! The 30 day build timeline has started!
    Here is a summary of my design concept:
    My design concept is to build a small form factor gaming system for use in a Home theater environment, to maximize portability and minimize wasted space, without giving up expansion or upgrade options.
    Here were my design requirements:
    1. Keep components cool and system stable 24/7/365, even while overclocking.
    2. Keep the whole system quiet, to allow for use in a home theater-type environment.
    3. Design to allow future upgradability.
    4. Minimize wasted space. I don’t need 5x DVD-ROMs, 8x 3.5” HDD, etc,. Plus a massive “box” wouldn’t look good next to modern consumer electronics- LCD or Plasma TV, Home theater surround sound amplifier, etc,.

    Here is my concept design, dimensions are: 400mm x 319mm x 146mm
    Using 3/16” thickness acrylic for all walls.
    Watercooling for CPU and GPU in a single loop with 240mm radiator.
    PSU mounting above CPU area, since this is a water cooling-only case, I don’t need any clearance for HSF.
    This does require 90 degree elbow fittings into and out of the CPU water block, though.


    UPDATE: 12/03/2009 Another system build primary sponsor!
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...98#post4137957


    UPDATE: 12/19/2009 4.4Ghz reached!
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...98#post4163104


    UPDATE: 12/24/2009 "White Dwarf" is built and running!
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...90#post4170290


    UPDATE: 12/25/2009 "White Dwarf"youtubed
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB2YDt2kdqo
    Last edited by zads; 12-27-2009 at 04:52 PM.

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    Congratulations Zads for winning phase1 and welcome to XS.
    With only 30 day to build you will have your work cut out, good luck.

    Just a few thing,
    For the case, I would sugest thicker perspex like 5-6mm.
    Stronger and easier to work with.

    Will the case have any air vents?
    As the PSU has a 80mm fan pulling air from inside the case to the front, is the rad pushing air into the case or pulling air out the back?

    Please don't take offence by this as I do look forward to reading your updates in the future.
    Is there any chance you could hit enter key sooner when writing long text?
    It just makes it heaps easier and nicer to read all you have written.

    May your next update be soon

    Last edited by kgtiger; 11-30-2009 at 09:02 AM. Reason: Just to correct my spelling yet again.

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    Congrats, Zads. Nice concept you have, and looking forward to your build.

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    I am as well looking forward to this. Should be interesting. Subscribed

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    Thanks for your kind words, guys!
    Be sure to become an official fan of ASUS on facebook, they said they will have more contests to follow!
    http://www.facebook.com/ASUSOfficialPage
    Also check out the other 19 stage 2 updates here:
    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?ei...200108&index=1

    The front of the case you see is the intake with a filter,
    then 4x 120mm low speed Yate Loon fans in push-pull across a 240mm radiator,
    blowing into the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by kgtiger View Post
    Congratulations Zads for winning phase1 and welcome to XS.
    With only 30 day to build you will have your work cut out, good luck.

    Just a few thing,
    For the case, I would sugest thicker perspex like 5-6mm.
    Stronger and easier to work with.

    Will the case have any air vents?
    As the PSU has a 80mm fan pulling air from inside the case to the front, is the rad pushing air into the case or pulling air out the back?

    Please don't take offence by this as I do look forward to reading your updates in the future.
    Is there any chance you could hit enter key sooner when writing long text?
    It just makes it heaps easier and nicer to read all you have written.

    May your next update be soon

    I started out my CAD with 6mm/0.25" acrylic,
    but after getting some sample pieces I decided to go down to 4.75mm/0.1875" acrylic because it felt stiff enough.
    When you say easier to work with, do you mean it stays more stable during cutting?

    The case will be vented out the back through the empty PCI slots (with slotted covers), through the PSU, and I will probably have to "skeletonize" the I/O shield for airflow to the pretty blue MOSFET heatsinks.


    Also-
    edited first post for easier reading, I typed the post out on my 12" laptop on MS Word :P


    Not exactly build related, but can anyone guess what I do for work?
    Last edited by zads; 11-30-2009 at 05:23 PM.

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    are those SSDs
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    that reminds me of my factory tour to Corsair Fremont HQ a long time ago lol

    http://teamau.net/5



    these were worth GOLD back in the day lol
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    If it was me then I guess my job would be wiping the drool off my chin while I am pushing the trolly around

    As for the perspex, I find it easier to cut thicker perspex, like 4-4.5mm up as thin stuff below 3mm can chip easy.
    I am guessing you are going to use Solvent cement to join the perspex together, having sheets a little bit thicker is also easier to help keep them square and straight,
    plus there is less bowing and saging with thicker perspex.

    I think 4.75mm perspex is a good place to start, you might need thicker for the bottom of the case as if it is going to sit flush on the floor/table, without feet/legs.
    Then you will need to counter sink all the screws in the bottom of the case thats holding the motherboard/pump on so they are flush and don't stick out and scratch the floor or table.
    Having thicker perspex means you have more meat to work with when counter sinking, you don't want the screws pulling through or cracking the perspex because its to thin.
    Also if the bottom is thin it will flex when you move it, this will in time make it crack around the screws as they are applying pressure agenst the perspex.
    This flexing will also give the impression the case is unstable and of cheep quality.

    The torture rack for example is all 10mm/3/8 thick.
    I would also suggest using atleast 6mm to suport the PSU as it is hanging over your motherboard.
    Something like a L shape that is Solvent cemented to the side wall and the top to make a strong and ridged box within a box, remember that PSU is not really that lite.

    I only commented on this as you stated bellow your drawing that you where going to, "Using 3/16” thickness acrylic for all walls"

    So what do you do for a job?

    Looking forward to your next update.
    Last edited by kgtiger; 12-01-2009 at 12:02 AM.

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    your new job is sending me 20 or 30 of those bare drives!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinos22 View Post
    that reminds me of my factory tour to Corsair Fremont HQ a long time ago lol

    http://teamau.net/5
    Thanks for the link,
    I'm kind of surprised how small and kind of crowded Corsair's workareas are..



    Quote Originally Posted by dinos22 View Post
    are those SSDs
    Quote Originally Posted by Bei Fei View Post
    your new job is sending me 20 or 30 of those bare drives!!
    Quote Originally Posted by kgtiger View Post
    If it was me then I guess my job would be wiping the drool off my chin while I am pushing the trolly around

    As for the perspex, I find it easier to cut thicker perspex, like 4-4.5mm up as thin stuff below 3mm can chip easy.
    I am guessing you are going to use Solvent cement to join the perspex together, having sheets a little bit thicker is also easier to help keep them square and straight,
    plus there is less bowing and saging with thicker perspex.

    I think 4.75mm perspex is a good place to start, you might need thicker for the bottom of the case as if it is going to sit flush on the floor/table, without feet/legs.
    Then you will need to counter sink all the screws in the bottom of the case thats holding the motherboard/pump on so they are flush and don't stick out and scratch the floor or table.
    Having thicker perspex means you have more meat to work with when counter sinking, you don't want the screws pulling through or cracking the perspex because its to thin.
    Also if the bottom is thin it will flex when you move it, this will in time make it crack around the screws as they are applying pressure agenst the perspex.
    This flexing will also give the impression the case is unstable and of cheep quality.

    The torture rack for example is all 10mm/3/8 thick.
    I would also suggest using atleast 6mm to suport the PSU as it is hanging over your motherboard.
    Something like a L shape that is Solvent cemented to the side wall and the top to make a strong and ridged box within a box, remember that PSU is not really that lite.

    I only commented on this as you stated bellow your drawing that you where going to, "Using 3/16” thickness acrylic for all walls"

    So what do you do for a job?

    Looking forward to your next update.
    I'm the engineer in charge of the SSD product lines at my company.
    So I don't push the dollies of SSDs around,
    I have to write documents detailing to the production department how to push the dollies of SSDs around
    Yeah, those are a bunch of trays of SSDs.. 30TB total or so, probably a mix of SLC and MLC drives.
    This one day yield can all be yours for the low low price of.. $150k!
    But, most of our SSD output goes to OEMs, not too big in the retail sector.

    Thanks for the acrylic fabrication tips, kgtiger!
    My rationale was that since the span of my case is relatively small,
    there won't be too much flexification going on.
    My plan was to put in some additional flat stiffening ribs across two areas to stiffen it up,
    and then add some bonded square acrylic stock (3/8" square section or something) in the corners/joints for greater bond area and stiffness,
    also to add a square section rod to the wall next to the PSU to provide support,
    rather than letting all that weight sit out there on a big moment arm, only supported by the rear plate...
    But, I might just move everything up to 6mm/0.25" anyway to make the fabrication faster and less complicated.
    I guess I'm more used to the more complicated "material only where it is needed" route,
    from my race car design years

    For motherboard standoffs, I'm still undecided.
    I'm was thinking of bottom countersunk, flathead screw-in standoffs like you described,
    but now I'm slightly leaning towards just drilling some blind holes in the bottom and then bonding round threaded rods into the bottom of the case:


    Good worklog update coming tomorrow (hopefully..) hint: a watercooling sponsor!
    Last edited by zads; 12-01-2009 at 02:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zads View Post
    Thanks for the link,
    I'm kind of surprised how small and kind of crowded Corsair's workareas are..
    that's actually been closed and moved to TW
    they have some monster factories there now
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    Nice project, Zads. I like what I'm seeing from you. Really like the render.

    And, dadgummit, looks like there's now someone on XS who has their hands on more SSDs than I do.

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    Thanks for the work info, much appreciated.
    Your idea about, "drilling some blind holes in the bottom and then bonding round threaded rods into the bottom of the case"
    Is not a bad idea at all, the only challange I see with that is, all the screws will need to be screwed in from inside the case.
    By design theres not a heck of alot of room to move your hand arond inside the case, let along one with a screw driver in it.
    Please don't take this the wrong way, but the biggest challenges I normaly faced when working with engineer's was, over engineering things.
    Like the 3/8" square section or flat stiffening ribs you where going to add to be bottom of the case.
    Its simply just more work than it needs.
    The best way is simplicity, the "KIS" approach has just work the best for me.
    I will admit that I to have the tendncy to over work thing and I find that I need to remember to just look for the simplest way to get the job done.
    That doesn't mean doing a crap or half hearted job, but only doing what really needs to be done and still have high quality at the end.
    As you only have/had 30 day to build, just keep it simple.
    As you do need standoffs on the motherboard I feel it would be easier to screw the standoffs onto the MB when its outside the case
    and then just screw in counter sunk screws from underneath.
    The more you can do from outside the case the easier it will be to build and work on this small case.

    Looking forward to your next update there champ, keep it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinos22 View Post
    that's actually been closed and moved to TW
    they have some monster factories there now
    Interesting, I know the CTO of my company doesn't allow anyone except auditors into our production areas.


    Quote Originally Posted by Xion X2 View Post
    Nice project, Zads. I like what I'm seeing from you. Really like the render.

    And, dadgummit, looks like there's now someone on XS who has their hands on more SSDs than I do.
    Yeah.. but unfortunately, I actually have too many SSD projects on my hands!

    Quote Originally Posted by kgtiger View Post
    Thanks for the work info, much appreciated.
    Your idea about, "drilling some blind holes in the bottom and then bonding round threaded rods into the bottom of the case"
    Is not a bad idea at all, the only challange I see with that is, all the screws will need to be screwed in from inside the case.
    By design theres not a heck of alot of room to move your hand arond inside the case, let along one with a screw driver in it.
    Please don't take this the wrong way, but the biggest challenges I normaly faced when working with engineer's was, over engineering things.
    Like the 3/8" square section or flat stiffening ribs you where going to add to be bottom of the case.
    Its simply just more work than it needs.
    The best way is simplicity, the "KIS" approach has just work the best for me.
    I will admit that I to have the tendncy to over work thing and I find that I need to remember to just look for the simplest way to get the job done.
    That doesn't mean doing a crap or half hearted job, but only doing what really needs to be done and still have high quality at the end.
    As you only have/had 30 day to build, just keep it simple.
    As you do need standoffs on the motherboard I feel it would be easier to screw the standoffs onto the MB when its outside the case
    and then just screw in counter sunk screws from underneath.
    The more you can do from outside the case the easier it will be to build and work on this small case.

    Looking forward to your next update there champ, keep it up.
    Well to be honest this is the trade off you have to make in all design, right?
    Convenience of access vs. portability and bulk of the components packaging.
    I will have to take out the PSU to access/replace the motherboard no matter if I use the screw-type or bonded standoff method..
    I'll let you know how it works out :P

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    UPDATE: 12/02/2009; Another primary sponsor!

    UPDATE: 12/02/2009; Another primary sponsor!

    Got this package in the mail last night:



    I am proud to announce that Swiftech "Manufacturer of the world's best active coolers",
    has signed on as a primary sponsor for my project!




    Here are some more parts they have provided, starting with the ultimate in performance CPU water blocks on the market today!!

    Unveiled only two months ago, the Swiftech Apogee XT has set a new standard in water cooling CPU block performance.
    (see this independent review for more information)

    Comes with 2 1/2" ID chrome barb fittings, reusable hose clamps, multiple CPU brackets (LGA 1156, LGA 1366), an unlabeled TIM (heatsink thermal grease).
    It also has a nice "X" shape to it, for Xtreme design competition build
    And damn.. it just looks absolutely dead sexy all by itself!!!


    Uses spring loaded screws and a stiff stamped metal back plate.


    The black, silver, and pewter color of the block goes well with most any system/motherboard color scheme, very classy.
    No clearance issues anywhere.

    Now to put some cold water on that power hungry and hot GT200b GPU in the ASUS GTX260 GL+ (core 216),
    we have the Komodo series GTX275-P897 full cover GPU waterblock.

    Since the GTX260 (55nm "Core 216") often shares the same PCB as the GTX275,
    This block will fit the GTX260 55nm, assuming the video card manufacturer uses the NVIDIA reference PCB design for GTX275,
    labeled "P897" on the back (and not one of the video card company's own PCB designs).

    More black and chrome sexiness!


    Comes with the 1/2" and 3/8" chrome plated barb fittings (two of each size!), reusable hose clamps, the same unlabeled TIM as the CPU block.


    Preapplied thermal tape pads (dark gray strips) for the critical components, a nice touch..
    Some other GPU blocks require you to cut and place your own thermal pads and stick them on the block manually.
    Swiftech has done this already for you.

    ASUS has used a slightly modified version of the NVIDIA reference PCB on the ASUS GTX260 GL+, so I will have to use a mill to take some material out for component clearances.
    You can bet I'm gonna be measuring 20x for every little mill cut
    ..I can detail this later if anyone has interest,
    basically its the caps around the voltage regulators on the right side of the PCB and the caps on the upper left of the PCB.


    Next up, the high performance MCP350 12VDC pump.
    Since I am working in a limited space, I need a low profile/small footprint, high performance pump.
    The MCP350 will provide high pump pressure to maximize liquid flow through my tubing and cooling blocks, while keeping a very low profile and minimal noise.

    The pump comes with a molex connector for power from your power supply,
    as well as a 3-pin fan header (with the single blue wire) to connect to your motherboard or fan controller.
    This allows your to monitor your pump to make sure it is functioning properly,
    or sound an alert/alarm if it is not spinning.
    Swiftech also has a higher performance version, the MCP355.


    Next we have the MCR220 QP "Quiet Power" Radiator.
    4x 120mm fan locations, nice built in plenum for better fan performance.
    Bang for your buck, there isn't much better than this series of radiators.


    They also have a stackable version and a integrated reservoir version.

    Last but not least, we have the MCRES Micro Rev2 micro reservoir.
    Again, since size being a big issue for my build, this fits my build perfectly. Thin small footprint can be mounted in various fashions, with 3 ports of the bottom to allow for various inlet/outlet configurations, and another port on the top for a fill/vent to the reservoir.

    Comes with multiple mounting brackets and screws for mounting however you want it (and sticky back velcro for temporary mounting options), 4 black plastic barb fittings (3/8" and 1/2" ID tubing), reusable hose clamps, even includes spare o-rings.

    So that's it for the shiny parts pictures, time for the real build!
    Many thanks to Gabe and Michelle at Swiftech, they are a quality company with great customer service.

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    Gratz on the sponsors and being selected to compete. That Asus board looks nice.
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    Nice work there Zads on picking up Swiftech as your sponsor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zads View Post
    [Size="4"]
    UPDATE: Monday 11/23/2009
    The parts arrive! The 30 day build timeline has started!
    Here is a summary of my design concept:
    My design concept is to build a small form factor gaming system for use in a Home theater environment, to maximize portability and minimize wasted space, without giving up expansion or upgrade options.
    Here were my design requirements:
    1. Keep components cool and system stable 24/7/365, even while overclocking.
    2. Keep the whole system quiet, to allow for use in a home theater-type environment.
    3. Design to allow future upgradability.
    4. Minimize wasted space. I don’t need 5x DVD-ROMs, 8x 3.5” HDD, etc,. Plus a massive “box” wouldn’t look good next to modern consumer electronics- LCD or Plasma TV, Home theater surround sound amplifier, etc,.

    Here is my concept design, dimensions are: 400mm x 319mm x 146mm
    Using 3/16” thickness acrylic for all walls.
    Watercooling for CPU and GPU in a single loop with 240mm radiator.
    PSU mounting above CPU area, since this is a water cooling-only case, I don’t need any clearance for HSF.
    This does require 90 degree elbow fittings into and out of the CPU water block, though.


    UPDATE: 12/03/2009 Another system build primary sponsor!
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...98#post4137957

    Zads,

    Concept wise I am not sure there is practicality, a Home Theatre application with gaming in mind is fine, portability however for what purpose? As you would know the PC in a Home Theatre app is the brains to the thing and gives its users much more flexibility in media types, if for instance your streaming all content for use through it, and you move it to go to a LAN (I am just assuming here the purpose for portability) then the Home Theater is kinda dead for all other users and there is 2 distinct learning curves in using the equipment then for those that weren't the builder, aside from the configuration differences.

    Anyway a couple of thoughts, have you looked at the CEDIA standards for Home Theater to see if you can build the box to suit. (Would offer many choices in mounting, for instance you might be able to rack mount it in a high end home theater app. I assume however if you want to game on it in the HT then you have to work out how to remote the controls supplied (Mouse and KB) or aesthetically place the case near the seating position.

    If you were kinda looking at the single guy/gal who has the screen and not much else. I would look at a light weight caddy that can double as a LAN trolley and book stand/gaming station for the room where it is going to sit.

    I am sure you thought about all of that stuff, so just airing some thoughts. Look forward to see how it all works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by millertime359 View Post
    Gratz on the sponsors and being selected to compete. That Asus board looks nice.
    Thanks, Millertime.
    I was itching to build another system since my last build was pretty much just a vanilla flavored home workstation..
    but I was dragging my feet on what hardware to get, what kind of build I should do, etc,.
    So when this contest came along, I jumped on it!


    Quote Originally Posted by kgtiger View Post
    Nice work there Zads on picking up Swiftech as your sponsor.
    Thanks! Gabe at Swiftech was very helpful.
    As you can tell from the independent test results on this forum,
    Swiftech's products are all great performers,
    and they are very reasonably priced.
    I had some other well known watercooling companies offer sponsorship,
    but in the end what made me choose Swiftech was their outstanding CPU waterblock performance and GPU full cover waterblock design,
    and their enthusiasm for my project


    Quote Originally Posted by HWMB View Post
    Zads,

    Concept wise I am not sure there is practicality, a Home Theatre application with gaming in mind is fine, portability however for what purpose? As you would know the PC in a Home Theatre app is the brains to the thing and gives its users much more flexibility in media types, if for instance your streaming all content for use through it, and you move it to go to a LAN (I am just assuming here the purpose for portability) then the Home Theater is kinda dead for all other users and there is 2 distinct learning curves in using the equipment then for those that weren't the builder, aside from the configuration differences.

    Anyway a couple of thoughts, have you looked at the CEDIA standards for Home Theater to see if you can build the box to suit. (Would offer many choices in mounting, for instance you might be able to rack mount it in a high end home theater app. I assume however if you want to game on it in the HT then you have to work out how to remote the controls supplied (Mouse and KB) or aesthetically place the case near the seating position.

    If you were kinda looking at the single guy/gal who has the screen and not much else. I would look at a light weight caddy that can double as a LAN trolley and book stand/gaming station for the room where it is going to sit.

    I am sure you thought about all of that stuff, so just airing some thoughts. Look forward to see how it all works out.
    HWMB,
    Thanks for the great info!
    Actually I said a SFF gaming system (also use for CAD/work, internet) in a Home theater environment (system is add-on component).
    This is slightly different than a traditional Home theater PC (central hub of home theater media), used for Blu-ray, DVR, internet, media center extender, etc,.
    I'm not even planning to put any 3.5" HDDs for media storage, or an optical drive, even though I have enough space inside for it. (although I may change my mind about this later).
    I think this hardware would probably be overkill for traditional HTPC duties.

    The HTGPC was just one application to 'paint a picture'..
    Really, I'm just aiming to build a full-featured high performance small form factor case design.
    Could be used as HTPC, HTGPC, LAN box, desktop system, etc,.

    I will definitely look into the CEDIA standards for a future case design, I think my initial design for this competition might look better as a dedicated HTPC
    Last edited by zads; 12-09-2009 at 10:37 AM.

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    Quick update: CPU OC results~~~

    So here's my bench testing setup.
    Since my last update I have added:
    • 6 x 128GB SSDs in RAID-0 using the onboard 6x SATA 3.0Gbps ports (bottom right corner.. like the rubber bands? lol )
    • 1x EK V2 acrylic pump top to the MCP350 to provide better pump performance (and some acrylic 'bling'),
    • 4x 120mm Yate Loon D12SL-12 White LED fans from PetrasTechShop.com,
    • 3/8" ID 1/2" OD Tygon tubing,
    • Koolance Compression fittings.




    The ASUS P7P55D Premium motherboard has 32 phases of voltage regulator circuitry (VRMs) power to the CPU
    (the more phases, the more stable the overclock voltage will be).
    ASUS also includes a feature on this motherboard called T.Probe,
    which monitors the temperature of each VRM, and then adjusts the VRM loading to balance out their temperatures.
    This ensures that no single VRM will fail prematurely to the other ones, very nice! (picture taken from another source)


    I found that on the high power overclocking passes, the VRM heatpipe heatsink
    (the blue heatpipe heatsink on the top and left o the CPU),
    was passing 85 deg C...
    this temperature is still within safe levels, but I decided to just stick a fan on there to keep the temps down anyway.

    I had the tiny blue LED fan (pretty quiet) off the G.Skill memory kit that I wasn't using, so I just stuck it on the VRM heatsink, just to the left of the CPU.
    +1 bling agility skill.
    Result: 37 deg C max.



    I started overclocking by using the ASUS Hybrid Design features.
    The ASUS P7P55D Premium can team up with the ASUS TurboV EVO software, which has a couple great features on it.
    You can adjust all of these settings from Windows, allowing you to boot up with a known-stable BIOS configuration setting,
    and then overclock and test for stability while in Windows.
    Gone are the days of changing settings in BIOS, rebooting, waiting for OS to boot up (hoping it doesn't crash), testing, restarting, then repeat cycle all over again.
    Here is a screenshot of the TurboV EVO software (screenshot taken from PureOC):


    Adjustable parameters:
    Bclk (base clock), vCPU (CPU voltage), vIMC (integrated memory controller voltage), vDRAM (DRAM voltage);
    CPU PLL (CPU clock generator voltage), PCH (peripheral controller hub voltage), CH A/B DATA/CTRL thresholds (advanced data settings).
    You can change these settings quite drastically, which is quite empowering.
    200 Mhz Bclk is only about half of the maximum setting on this software (!)


    The ASUS TurboV EVO software also has an AutoTune feature.
    This automatically raises your settings incrementally,
    and then tests your system for stability after each increase.
    Very cool feature to obtain a quick and easy overclock setting,
    especially if you're new to overclocking and intimidated by all the settings.


    I also found that the settings of "Auto" in BIOS are much better on this ASUS board than most.
    For instance, it would automatically bump the CPU voltage in response to overclock changes that were made.



    So the results of my CPU overclocking are:
    (I consider IntelBurnTest a great program to test CPU stability, much faster to find errors than Prime95)

    Using ASUS BIOS OCtune feature (takes like 20 seconds!):

    3.59 Ghz! (19 x 189 Bclk)
    @ 1.35 vCore (set to AUTO), 1.38 vIMC (set to AUTO).
    Hyperthreading and Turbo boost ON,
    All power saving features ON.

    Maximum CPU speed:
    4.4 Ghz (22 x 200 Bclk)
    @ 1.45 vCore (manual, Fixed), 1.38 vIMC (manual)
    Hyperthreading and Turbo boost OFF,
    All power saving features OFF.
    Temperatures maxed out around 88-89 deg C (Thanks again to my awesome watercooling sponsor SWIFTECH!!!)

    Optimum CPU setting:
    4.0 Ghz (20 x 200 Bclk)
    @ 1.375 vCore (manual, Fixed), 1.38 vIMC (manual)
    Hyperthreading ON and Turbo boost OFF,
    All power saving features ON.
    Temperatures maxed out around 72-73 deg C (Thanks again to my awesome watercooling sponsor SWIFTECH!!!)

    Note: my personal 'optimum' is defined by:
    -Need to have power saving features on (efficiency matters to me)
    -Need a large buffer to Tj.max, since I eventually will cool a GPU in this loop as well
    Last edited by zads; 12-19-2009 at 02:49 PM.

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    That little fan makes a huge difference, from +85 to 37deg C, really should be standard.

    Will the ASUS TurboV EVO software work on all Asus MoBo, like rampage II extreme?

    Also the first photo is not available either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgtiger View Post
    That little fan makes a huge difference, from +85 to 37deg C, really should be standard.

    Will the ASUS TurboV EVO software work on all Asus MoBo, like rampage II extreme?

    Also the first photo is not available either.
    Which photo is not available?
    Yeah, I was a bit shocked at the difference in temperature there too.

    VRMs are supposedly spec'd to >100 deg C,
    but anything too hot to touch makes me worry about component longevity.

    And for your question, I know ASUS has a TurboV software for the Rampage II Extreme.
    I'm not sure if the TurboV EVO version works or not, but I would imagine that it does-
    why not test it and post to let us know!
    Last edited by zads; 12-22-2009 at 05:51 PM.

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    ASUS P7P55D Premium breaks through 650 MB/sec read speeds!




    Thanks to the exclusive ASUS P7P55D Premium motherboard's onboard 6Gbps controller and an onboard RAID setup,
    the World's first SATA 6Gb/s motherboard,

    my Xtreme Design system has broken through 650 MB/sec read speeds, as measured in ATTO Disk Benchmark.
    Note that this is achieved without use of external RAID controllers, only the onboard controller.
    Last edited by zads; 12-22-2009 at 05:57 PM.

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    [ASUS Hybrid Processor CPU @ 4Ghz]+[ASUS Hybrid Phase power]+[ASUS EPU-6] = very cool

    Thanks to the exclusive ASUS Hybrid Processor technology,
    I was able to overclock the system to a very stable and strong overclock @ 4.0 GHz,
    while keeping my system very cool under load and at idle.

    The ASUS Hybrid Phase technology keeps the power consumption down at idle,
    and provides a very stable vCore for the CPU voltage level,
    resulting in an awesomely stable overclock at lower voltage than required on other boards.

    The ASUS EPU6 Software undervolts the CPU and reduces its speed automatically at idle,
    reducing idle temperatures and power consumption even more than any other solution!

    This screenshot shows the system running full tilt,
    with the system running CPU @ 4Ghz, GPU @ 750Mhz,
    stressed processor and GPU with Prime95 (8 threads, hyperthreading enabled),
    and Furmark for GPU stress.
    23 deg C ambient temperature.
    After 45 minutes:

    CPU stays solid at a safe 80 deg C,
    while the GPU stays at a relatively chilly 54 deg C.
    Thanks to ASUS and my water cooling sponsor SWIFTECH,
    for their absolutely outstanding and efficient products!


    Here is another screenshot of temperatures, after idling for 30 mintues or so:

    GPU is around 33 deg C, and the CPU cores are at average 23.5 deg C (!!!!)
    It's astounding what the great SWIFTECH watercooling components,
    combined with ASUS Hybrid Phase and ASUS EPU-6 hardware/software,
    will do to cut the idle power consumption and idle temperatures.
    Again, I can say enough:
    Thanks to ASUS and my water cooling sponsor SWIFTECH,
    for their absolutely outstanding and efficient products!
    Last edited by zads; 12-23-2009 at 06:37 PM.

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    It is built!!

    After a last minute push to make the contest stage 2 deadline, it is built!
    I will call it: "White dwarf"
    A star that has blown off its outer excess mass, leaving only a very dense white-blue colored core.
    Likewise, my case design is devoid of all the bulk of regular computer cases,
    only leaving behind the dense powerful components packaged into a small volume,
    but with sufficient cooling to prevent it from going "supernova".
    Quiet white LED fans gently let its presence be known.

    I didn't have time before the deadline to apply some vinyl or paint as I would have liked,
    but I did get the case finished to showcase my design concept and all of the components.
    If I make it to the next stage, I will definitely add the vinyl for my primary sponsors.

    Here is the case as it sits under the HDTV now,
    the front fans are 120mm fans, so you can see how small of a profile this computer is.
    Remember this system crams in a:
    ASUS P7P55 Premium ATX motherboard;
    ASUS GTX 260 GL+ video card (~11" long);
    Antec Quattro 850W ATX power supply;
    Swiftech complete watercooling system
    (XT CPU block, Komodo GPU Full cover block, MCR220 240mm Radiator with 4x 120mm fans in push-pull configuration, MCP350 pump with EK acrylic top, and MCRES reservoir),
    8x 128GB 2.5" SSD drives (one sponsored from Samsung):


    No need for any external buttons!-
    The ASUS TurboV Remote hanging on the upper right corner of the case can:
    Power on the computer,
    Choose one of three user-selectable overclocking presets (or underclocking for power savings),
    Adjust Bclk (bus speed/base clock frequency),
    and choose EPU mode (for power savings or maximum power for overclock)



    3/4 view sitting on my desk/test area:

    I'm not sure why the LED fans turned out Blue in this picture (maybe white balance?),
    they are actually 120mm white LED fans..



    Top view of the packaging of the components:



    Top view of the relative size/scale of the case,
    with your typical size magazine on top of the case-



    Side view of the relative size/scale of the case,
    with your typical 5.25" Bay DVD-ROM drive in front of the case-



    This picture shows how tight the actual packaging is in some places,
    here is a shot of (left to right)
    MCP350 water cooling pump,
    the G.Skill DDR3-2133 memory & sockets,
    850W PSU,
    ASUS Blue and Chrome CPU VRM heatsinks,
    and the G.Skill 40mm memory kit LED fan that I moved to be on top of the VRM heatsinks to keep them cool.
    The tube going from left to right feeds directly into the Swiftech Apogee XT CPU waterblock.

    I'm actually kind of disappointed that you can't see the Swiftech Apogee XT block, that thing is dead sexy looking.
    But at least you can still see the nice blue and chrome ASUS VRM heatsinks on the P7P55D Premium motherboard.
    The PSU fits so tight on there, it actually sits on top of the 90 degree compression fittings coming out of the CPU water block.


    Its a bit hard to see in the previous picture, but look where the modular cables come out, and look at the G.Skill heatsinks.
    A bit of interference there, since the G.Skill heatsinks are kind of tall...



    So yeah, had to do some "modifications" to be able to use some of those PSU modular connectors.

    It fits as shown...
    but I actually ended up just cutting those extra fins off, although I don't have a picture of that.


    Some pictures of the acrylic case during fabrication,
    here is gluing the sides onto the front faceplate/radiator intake fan area:

    I used liquid Acrylic cement, which is actually a solvent that melts and fuses the acrylic pieces together.
    This cement makes for joints that are as strong as the base material,
    but you do need to make sure your edges fit together without very large gaps.
    Thanks to the guys at TAP plastics for giving me some pointers on acrylic fabrication.


    Cementing the rear plate (sitting on the floor) onto the rest of the pieces,
    note the cutouts for the I/O panel, expansion cards, and PSU exhaust fan, power cord, and power switch.
    Last edited by zads; 12-27-2009 at 04:02 PM.

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