Controversial Leaked COD4 MW2 Footage *Spoiler*

[1nvisible]

First mission gameplay.
http://www.gametrailers.com/user-mov...ameplay/333463

Wow!!!

[Jamesrt2004]

someone who understands ffrench translate a lil lol wtf is with the shooting people lols

[Jowy Atreides]

Shooting down peds at an airport.....
TERRURISM SIMULATORS!

Thank god Jack Thompson died of aids, he'd have a fit ...in his wallet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eWFj1KShcI

[zalbard]

Wow, what a massacre. So completely unnecessary for a video game. I am not speaking for myself, but pretty sure this will leave a lot of people speechless. Bad move, IW. Especially for the opening mission.
No skill required to kill civilians... No gameplay purpose, just sadistic fun for some and pretty sad for everyone else IMO.

[Jowy Atreides]

Wow, what a massacre. So completely unnecessary for a video game. I am not speaking for myself, but pretty sure this will leave a lot of people speechless. Bad move, IW. Especially for the opening mission.
No skill required to kill civilians... No gameplay purpose, just sadistic fun for some and pretty sad for everyone else IMO.

Character foreshadowing, that's the purpose. It's a needed scene to set up the story. Like in scarface when Tony Montana watches his brother cut apart with a chainsaw.

When you think about it, many 15 rated hollywood movies have scenes of massacring civillians but no one bats an eyelid.

This isn't anymore shocking apart from the fact of user participation. Which is a scene where the user is forced to endure the killings and not a choice.

Think die hard when Hans Gruber is shown to be a bad muverfracker for the purpose of building viewer tension.

I's a novelty for a video game and the contreversy is due to the new direction of the media and not the content.

After all, Grand Theft Auto 4 has some great lulz with a bunch of peds and a car ...a game where the user has some semblance of freedom to enjoy non judgemental tension relief. And to all the violence cry-haters. You ever seen kids play with toy guns pretending to have a shootoff? Does that make them murderers?

It's the exact same MORAL context.

[R31Nismoid]

Character foreshadowing, that's the purpose. It's a needed scene to set up the story. Like in scarface when Tony Montana watches his brother cut apart with a chainsaw.

When you think about it, many 15 rated hollywood movies have scenes of massacring civillians but no one bats an eyelid.

This isn't anymore shocking apart from the fact of user participation. Which is a scene where the user is forced to endure the killings and not a choice.

After all, Grand Theft Auto 4 has some great lulz with a bunch of peds and a car ...a game where the user has some semblance of freedom to enjoy non judgemental tension relief.

Agreed! If it's part of the gameplay and setting up the story line and so on, there isn't a problem.

[zalbard]

Character foreshadowing, that's the purpose. It's a needed scene to set up the story. Like in scarface when Tony Montana watches his brother cut apart with a chainsaw.

Mmkay, so you need to kill 100+ unarmed people as a terrorist to figure out that it's a bad thing?
I clearly understand why they put this in the game, but it is gross and it is overdone.

[Jowy Atreides]

Mmkay, so you need to kill 100+ unarmed people as a terrorist to figure out that it's a bad thing?

No, you need to watch the scene to be influenced by the characters committing the killings.

Maybe your accomplices shooting the pedestrians have pressured you into participating and you (as the charater) have only joined because of the fear of them killing you.

Maybe this influences your character to later on kill the accomplices when given the choice over their lives. Without this scene, your chracter might let them live but after witnessing how indescriminately they kill innocents twists your hand into earning their lives.


..but you already know this, you're smart and ignoring logical interpretive thought as to why this scene could be game making to just argue blindly based on your own beliefs and not the EXPERIENCE of the event itself in FULL context.

[zalbard]

..but you already know this, you're smart and ignoring logical interpretive thought as to why this scene could be game making to just argue blindly based on your own beliefs and not the EXPERIENCE of the event itself in FULL context.

I'm not ignoring anything, and I've seen just as much as you did. No need to act like you know more than others.

[Jowy Atreides]

I'm acting like I think and interpret more than others.
And I am.

[Vinas]

That game looks even worse than I thought. Mowing down unarmed civilians? That's bull even for a video game.

[ReverendMaynard]

That game looks even worse than I thought. Mowing down unarmed civilians? That's bull even for a video game.

So you haven't played ANY of the GTA series?

[v0dka]

LOL that was a bit over the top and indeed there is no need for it. But it seems that because it is a game people tend to be more sensitive about it. What if this was a movie or a book?

[Buckeye]

LOL that was a bit over the top and indeed there is no need for it. But it seems that because it is a game people tend to be more sensitive about it. What if this was a movie or a book?

You make a good point v0dka.

I think the line gets drawn when you play a game and actually control the character who is doing the shooting.

This is way to over the top for me

[zalbard]

LOL that was a bit over the top and indeed there is no need for it. But it seems that because it is a game people tend to be more sensitive about it. What if this was a movie or a book?

A bit different, but still somewhat similar I guess. Over the top in any case.
But it is you, the player, who is forced to do this yourself in this particular case, which not the best idea. Makes it different (not completely, of course) for me, don't know about others.
I've never been a fan of mass murders myself... I mean, okay... 1, 2, 3, 10... But I'm sure there is well over 100 deaths packed in under 5 minutes. Like I mentioned above, this is not a combat, this is a massacre. You don't just build such stuff into a game and then pretend like it's a cool tactical combat or action and nothing's happened.

[INJViper]

I think its a video game and nothing to be bothered about.

[R31Nismoid]

You make a good point v0dka.

I think the line gets drawn when you play a game and actually control the character who is doing the shooting.

This is way to over the top for me

One could also argue you are in control by paying to see a movie that has the same and sitting there watching it without walking out
Especially if you walk out of the movie saying "gee that was a great movie"

[Machinus]

It's not a movie or a book. You do not have control over the character in those forms of media. Forcing the player to act out mass murder is horrible.

This is a really sick way of "telling a story."

[Lightning98]

The clip doesn't work for me anymore... so i can't comment on it, but...

Why all the "civilian killing" stuff? I mean its just a game. Although i seriously doubt its as fun as it was in prototype

[Flip_Lx]

omgz CoD MW2 made me join the talibanzzz

Its a game, its part of the story somehow. Just because your in first person view and the screams are realistic doesnt suddenly make this a terrible over the top game. As mentioned you can do the same in the GTA series (hell the original and 2nd one had a Killing Spree powerup but it was a top down view of dots so that makes it not as bad as this?)

really this is just splinter cell double agent done in a more gripping fashion its not some gimmick its immersive story progression, that fact your all so upset at it means they did a good job of putting you in your characters shoes (if what i've read is accurate and this is how your guy goes undercover to take out "the bad guys")

~neutral view i dont speak a word of french but do you have to actually shoot? looks to me like you could sit back and let your "squad" take care of the civilians and then just shoot at the cops/interpol guys at the end

[Machinus]

I don't think you guys understand the implications of this level. It's not the violence or innocent people dying. It's forcing the player to commit these acts. They are not just witnessing.

This is psychologically traumatizing and can be very disturbing. They should not have made this part of their game.

[zalbard]

The clip doesn't work for me anymore... so i can't comment on it, but...

Why all the "civilian killing" stuff? I mean its just a game. Although i seriously doubt its as fun as it was in prototype

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-mov...footage/333509
Enjoy.
IMO it's not about the fact, it's not about how it is done and how many times it is being done.

[Lukee]

Guys, it is a game. That's it. If I have to kill 100 civs , no problem if that is part of the game. There are many other games out there that allows you to do this? Even some RPGs, anyone ever play Fable?

I understand the sensitivity of some people, but putting this out before the game comes out is a good thing. At least you know before buying the game about this and if it offends you in any way, you are spared spending the money on it.

Imagine if you didn't know and you buy it and start to play it. You would be really pissed.

[IronWarrior]

Personally I don't mind, but can understand why it upsets some people, but it's just a game to me like any other.

[Machinus]

Guys, it is a game. That's it. If I have to kill 100 civs , no problem if that is part of the game. There are many other games out there that allows you to do this? Even some RPGs, anyone ever play Fable?

I understand the sensitivity of some people, but putting this out before the game comes out is a good thing. At least you know before buying the game about this and if it offends you in any way, you are spared spending the money on it.

Imagine if you didn't know and you buy it and start to play it. You would be really pissed.

I agree that it's good, so people can avoid buying the game. And I don't think they should ban the game or anything, I am not advocating censorship. But that doesn't mean the experience is still very dangerous. Being forced, by the game, to kill people you know are innocent, is a traumatizing experience, even if it's just a simulation. It can still hurt people.