AMD doing bad doesn't preclude the possibility of Nvidia doing bad as well. It's a hard market out there right now.Originally Posted by Russian
AMD doing bad doesn't preclude the possibility of Nvidia doing bad as well. It's a hard market out there right now.
Yawn.
This is what? 14 quarters in a row without profit. I don't know why AMD get's such slack from the financial companies, b/c any other company w/ a track record like that would have their debt downgraded to junk status.
I agree. AMD's graphics department is little compared to their CPU department. The fact that AMD is doing bad doesn't automatically make Nvidia do good; because AMD can thrash Nvidia on the GPU market and still continue to suck as a whole company.
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They do make some good gear.. but I struggle to see how this can keep going. Gotta pay interest on the debts somehow.
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So Fusion will come first in 2010 and in 2011 Buldozer?
While i would say that thats entirely true. The only problem is, when you compare the financials of the two companies you notice that AMD is approximately 2.5Billion in the hole if you take all their cash and pay off their debt(which is 5B). Once you do that with Nvidia nvidia has 1.4 billion in cash after paying their 28m in debt. So, what im saying is that AMD is in a much much more precarious situation than Nvidia and Nvidia still has quite a cushion to work with.
On top of that, AMD needs to stop trying to be so cheap. They have to start pulling in more profits on their CPUs, the biggest reason they're not pulling in enough profit on their CPUs is simply because there isnt enough performance to justify the price like intel can do.
Did the GPU division make money? I couldnt understand, can someone explain?
Honestly, I thought worse. Hopefully Q4 will turn up a slight profit due to evergreen sales
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uhmm 18 percent increase is decent plus thx to nvidia they will make nice profit with there 5000 series ( even nvidia boys crying all over the forums won't stop that lol )
Yeah they made 8m on 300m in sales.
Umm... people should look at the actual filing and not just the quick rundown.
AMD "The Product Company" is actually looking much better than what it was a year ago. Much of their "bad" numbers are due to the Foundry's expenses/costs.
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Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
I doubt it. I think bulldozer was supposed to be out in the end of 2010, and knowing how bad they're financial situation is we probably won't see it until 2012.
More importantly I have gut feeling we're being setup for a let down.
Think about it, the 3870, 4870 and 5870 were all pretty close or right on target. Granted there was hardly any supply, but at least they were released. It safe to say those were all great successes (3870 was big step in right direction, didn't offer top performance but manufacturing process was key and so was price).
Now barcelona on the other hand was ridiculously late, the early revisions had tons of problems with scaling and simply was a bust in terms of performance. 45nm offered better performance than we all expected (in terms of clocks and heat), but it still took forever to come out and was way behind nehalem.
I don't know, I just feel that because bulldozer is taking so long, something must be going wrong or they just don't have the capital and have to cut down the original model. More than likely it will be good, but will come out around the time intel develops something better.
AMD isn't really an actual company but rather, a giant albeit legal Ponzi scheme. If you look at AMD's history and add up their profits and losses, you'll see that AMD is in the red for money. How a company survives this long without ever actually making any money is beyond me. I wonder if in the history of corporations have their ever been a company that lost money for this long and continue to exist?
AMD survived all those years because OEMs wanted choice to keep Intel at bay, and Intel wanted competition to keep the regulators at bay. In any other circumstance they would've been driven out of the x86 market long ago.
Wait until Nvidia 3Q results before saying that
If they take another hit in warranty charges then they might be
Nvidia has already paid $220 million in warranty costs for their little 'packaging' problem.
If Nvidia can't get the class action suit filed against them dismissed then it starts to become possible.
The impact of the packaging defect may be bigger then at first thought.
Plus Nvidia's profit margin is sitting at 20% if it drops much lower that makes credit rating agencies and investors nervous
So? even if nvidia took a 500m loss, they'd still be in a much better situation debt-wise compared to AMD. I'm giving a comparative example not an individual one. Individually, nvidia is in trouble this quarter... but as a company, hell no.
Listened to the call, some things I took out of it.
- AMD is being very coy on the expected 4th quarter success of the 5000 series. Dirk pretty much refused to show any excitement or optimism. He hinted that supplied may be tight, but did not give more detail except to say supply would be "hand to mouth"
- 32nm will ship in Q4-2010
- CPU growth will be higher than GPU growth in Q4-2009. (this is the part that I think a lot of people had trouble believing, given AMD's uncontested status in GPUs for the holidays)
So I think AMD is lowering expectations in GPUs for some reason.
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Their graphics division made an operational 8 million dollars, while their computing group made 74 million.
AMD does not split out the net income (loss) per group, so how much non-operating overhead their graphics division pulled to contribute either way to the bottom line is not clear.
Looking at their balance sheet overall, the GF deal has done a decent job of knocking down debt and their cash burn as slowed. It looks like AMD is pulling out of the nose dive.
If you sum up all the ATI/graphics related income (not chipset) since the the ATI acquistion, the graphics arm of AMD is about even to slightly profitable from that division.
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ASPs on the CPUs are going up but going down for the GPUs.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
So they earned 200M $ more this time, not bad, but not good either...
If they keep going like this, they'll see profits in the next quarter.
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They need a new marketing department, something like 3dfx had with the Voodoo range. Just look at these:
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Afaik, AMDs GPU department only stands for 1/5 of the companies income.
But 128 million isn't all that bad, alot better then before.
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I was expecting a surprise from AMD with the 32nm, guess not. Now either we believe Bulldozer will be the first 32nm chip from AMD, meaning it will come out Q4 2010 or not, then only in Q4 2011.[*]32nm will ship in Q4-2010
Something is wrong within a market where there's only two players whose products are equal for 99% of end users, yet the significantly smaller player posts operating loss quarter after quarter, year after year.
Something is quite wrong...
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main's amd problem is marketing.
Ati is same:
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