Swiftech MCP35x or Koolance TNK-400?

[aln688]

I'm looking at both these pumps for a new setup, this will be my first time watercooling a PC build. Are either of these pumps powerful enough to power a single CPU waterblock system, where the waterblock is on the top of the board (obviously), single 120 rad is on the back of the case, and the pump w/reservoir is on the case floor with the tubing going upwards? Thanks.

[Capt Proton]

I assume you mean PMP 400. TNK 400 is reservoir and Pump.

PMP 400 is MCP355, maybe a little souped up. Either of those pumps will be plenty for what you are describing, with room for expansion. MCP 35X has capability of speed beings controlled through the us eof PWM, PMP 400 does not. Voltage controlled.

[aln688]

Yes, TNK-400 being the pump + reservoir. I'm considering the Swiftech MCP35x + MCP35x-Res combination. Initially I was worried whether the pump (sitting on the case floor) would be powerful enough to force water within a tube going up to the CPU block, through the radiator on the back of the case and back again - but I think it'll be fine. This is my first WC build so I'm trying to avoid any up-front mistakes. Thanks.

[Waterlogged]

Once the loop is filled, gravity doesn't play any kind of a role and these pumps are easily strong enough to fill almost any loop.

Personally speaking, I prefer the Koolance because if you wish to add a second pump down the road, that's all you need to buy, whereas with the Swiftech, you'd also need a new top.

Also, you can use the MCP35X with any currently made DDC top/res. Same is also true for the Koolance or Danger Den or any other DDC made by Laing currently being sold. They're all just basically re-brands of the same pump.

[stephenswiftech]

Once the loop is filled, gravity doesn't play any kind of a role and these pumps are easily strong enough to fill almost any loop.

Personally speaking, I prefer the Koolance because if you wish to add a second pump down the road, that's all you need to buy, whereas with the Swiftech, you'd also need a new top.

Also, you can use the MCP35X with any currently made DDC top/res. Same is also true for the Koolance or Danger Den or any other DDC made by Laing currently being sold. They're all just basically re-brands of the same pump.

only replying cause I'm not sure what you mean by "you'd also need a new top."
MCP35X comes with a high performance top - not the original top like MCP350/355. It's been reviewed as one of the best (if not best) pump top out there.

[Trox]

only replying cause I'm not sure what you mean by "you'd also need a new top."
MCP35X comes with a high performance top - not the original top like MCP350/355. It's been reviewed as one of the best (if not best) pump top out there.

Agree with stephen, 35X is one of the best pumps out there, in case you noeed more, you have the MCP35X2 now

[aln688]

Agree with stephen, 35X is one of the best pumps out there, in case you noeed more, you have the MCP35X2 now

I don't think I need a double pump. I'm a first time water-cooling system builder, the MCP35x seems to be more than enough for my needs. Right now I'm looking at Swiftech's Apogee HD CPU block and line of 120mm radiators. I'll be using this on an LGA 2011 CPU/board.

[Trox]

I don't think I need a double pump. I'm a first time water-cooling system builder, the MCP35x seems to be more than enough for my needs. Right now I'm looking at Swiftech's Apogee HD CPU block and line of 120mm radiators. I'll be using this on an LGA 2011 CPU/board.

Great choice there! Maybe you should take a look at the MCR-X20 to go along with the multiports of HD block, look at their website for a pic!

[Waterlogged]

only replying cause I'm not sure what you mean by "you'd also need a new top."
MCP35X comes with a high performance top - not the original top like MCP350/355. It's been reviewed as one of the best (if not best) pump top out there.

Going to man up and say my bad.

For some reason, I thought he was looking at buying the Maelstrom (then it dawned on me after seeing your post that, it's not even in stores yet ). The buying an extra top comment was in regards to having to buy the MCP35x2 top if wanting to go a similar route as the Koolance bay res with the dual pump set-up, whereas with the Koolance you just undo the blocking plate and bolt the new pump in.

[Martinm210]

No direct experience with the TNK mini res, but I have tested normal DDC3.25-PMP400 motors vs 35x-DDC3.25PWM motors

35x has a slightly stronger motor (RPM advantage at normal operating ranges) and PWM allows manual or automatic speed control using your motherboard.

PWM would be the big differentiator for me...all pumps should have PWM control..

Practically both would be more than enough power and it's unlikely you could measure a temp difference....but PWM control does offer a practical noise advantage without expensive fan controllers IF you set it up to throttle speeds automatically.

I cuurrently have mine on a 5% to 50%PWM throttling setup and love the silence at low speeds. Voltage controlling the PMP400 works too, but it doesn't go down as far in speed as PWM control does.

[aln688]

No direct experience with the TNK mini res, but I have tested normal DDC3.25-PMP400 motors vs 35x-DDC3.25PWM motors

35x has a slightly stronger motor (RPM advantage at normal operating ranges) and PWM allows manual or automatic speed control using your motherboard.

PWM would be the big differentiator for me...all pumps should have PWM control..

Practically both would be more than enough power and it's unlikely you could measure a temp difference....but PWM control does offer a practical noise advantage without expensive fan controllers IF you set it up to throttle speeds automatically.

I cuurrently have mine on a 5% to 50%PWM throttling setup and love the silence at low speeds. Voltage controlling the PMP400 works too, but it doesn't go down as far in speed as PWM control does.

Thanks for your input Martinm210. I'm going with the MCP35x as it only makes sense I don't want the pump operating at full speed all the time, especially if I'm idling in Window's/OpenSuse. I assume the PWM cable from the pump plugs into the CPU fan header? If I do that, I'll need to control the radiator fan in the same fashion.

Without having saw too many reviews of it yet, I'm probably opting for the Swiftech Apogee HD block, as I need a block that supports LGA 2011. I'll only be cooling the CPU, nothing else.

Are Black Ice radiators well regarded? I only have room for a 120 radiator and the Black Ice SR1 at 54mm thick looks good. I would have opted for a Swiftech radiator but none of them are thick enough.

Does this (XSPC Premium Acrylic Reservoir for Laing DDC):

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=23357

...fit the MCP35x? I'm wondering what the advantage is of that XSPC reservoir over the Koolance TNK-400 reservoir, capacity?

[stephenswiftech]

The MCP35X 4-pin goes into the CPU header.
Or if you want to also control a fan with it you can get a PWM splitter ( http://www.swiftech.com/PWMsplittercable.aspx ).

[bds71]

are you planning on putting 2 fans on the radiator? (push/pull) or just a single? these SB-E CPU's are 130W dies - meaning they will get HOT. a single 120 rad will be hard pressed indeed.

[aln688]

are you planning on putting 2 fans on the radiator? (push/pull) or just a single? these SB-E CPU's are 130W dies - meaning they will get HOT. a single 120 rad will be hard pressed indeed.

Possibly two Sanyo Denki 9S1212F401's. I don't think my setup will be any worse than a Corsair H80 or Antec Kuhler 920 kit, yet they market it for LGA 2011. I'm looking at the Black Ice SR1 120 radiator, 54mm thick.