Okay folks ... a request that we stay on topic about block performance, and testing methodologies.
No need for this to get into an argument about forums, or who adopted what block first.
Okay folks ... a request that we stay on topic about block performance, and testing methodologies.
No need for this to get into an argument about forums, or who adopted what block first.
Yeah, I was hoping to see what Vapor or others got before I took off to Hawaii for rest of this month...but have to wait and see it when I get back...I need to get out in real world anyways, wife is giving me the look to get off computer and finish packing.
I know they are going to be very close, I have 8 mounts of XT now, most interesting thing I saw was the ratio differences between core temps with different blocks. I have way over 30 mounts with heatkiller, playing with different tims/mounting pressures, etc, and all my core temps are in ratio of, core 0 and 2 ~ same, core 1 is 1-2C higher, core 3 is 3c lower
Now with swiftech XT block it is core 0, 1, 3 all ~ same, and core 2 is 3-4C higher, and always the same ratio through all 8 mounts of it. I have no more time to play with it, or wife will kill me, need to be getting ready....I assume that is one block bowed more than other? but some interface difference... It is not mounting pressure, I tried varying pressure on HK have gone 1/2 turn all way down to end. Interested to see if others see any change between cores.
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Swiftech's renders:
Thank you! I´ve got a GB (X58 Extreme), too
... and already had same problem with the Heatkiller (where I had to grind the edges)
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Apogee XT review is live! Working on the forum version now
Results are already updated in this thread, and somehow the Sapphire Rev.A results snuck in there too
Thx Vapor for you amazing work as always!
Thats one restrictive block :o makes you wonder if the HK will beat it with a lower pressure pumps? Like the EK or XSPC res pumps.
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The XT actually pulls away at low pumping power...quite a bit too. It's the most resilient block I've tested so far to reduced pumping power (the Sapphire Rev.A is the 2nd most resilient).
Look at the left end of this chart:
- Very High Pumping Power: All three MCP355 pumps and the D5 are on at full speed--this has a very similar PQ curve to a pair of RD-30s at 20V.
- High Pumping Power: Two MCP355s with EK V2 tops are on at full speed. The other two pumps are off.
- Medium High Pumping Power: A single MCP355 with XSPC V3 top is on at full speed. The other three pumps are off.
- Medium Pumping Power: The stock D5 is on at full speed and setting 5. The other three pumps are off.
- Low Pumping Power: A single MCP355 with XSPC V3 top is on at minimum speed (~7.7V, ~2450RPM). The other three pumps are off.
- Very Low Pumping Power: The stock D5 is on at minimum speed--setting 1. The other three pumps are off.
Copper top tests are in the planning stages for the HK and the Supreme. Nothing final yet, but after seeing the metal top help the GTZ, I figure it's worth a few hours of my time and the extra cost to pick up those parts to see if there's any gain for those two blocks
The XT is unequivocally better than the HK3.0 LT (the HK3.0 LC isn't in the same league...different price points and a couple of degrees worse [+ the secondary deficiencies of the HKs]) and I'm guessing it will be for the HK3.0 Cu as well. But that's just a guess at this point
A D5 at 3 is really more like my "low" setting actually
Maybe I have misnamed my pumping power settings...all I know is that at the last second before posting my first installment of this roundup, I renamed "Insane" to "Very High." All things considered, maybe I should have slid the names up one notch
All updated!
Trimmed this thread's results down a bit and am working on advanced overall comparison that will include the results of all the modded versions of the blocks (have more coming up). Also included will be best mount comparisons, mounting repeatability analysis, and a mathematical look at flow and pump dependence.
It might be a little overwhelming
Awesome!
I really like the pump power chart, that puts everything on the level in a meaningful way general users should understand. Not sure you can or want do this, but maybe even a simple additional shorthand descriptor under the pumping levels like this might curb some misunderstandings of pumping power(one persons high is another's low, etc.):
Very Low
(D5 Set.1)
Low
(DDC3.2+Top@7.7V)
Medium
(D5 Set.5)
Medium High
(DDC3.2+Top)
High
(2xDDC3.2+Top)
Freaking NUTS!
(3xDDC3.2+Top+D5 Set.5)
You might also make a note about your stronger than typical radiator/fan setup so people with a unlimited budgets don't forget about heat dump and start mixing the NUTS! level pumping powers with less than compensating radiators setups.
Glad to see they are still making small but incremental advancing improvements. Thanks for all the insane amount of work I'm sure this took
I played with some labeling like that, but in my initial implementation, it was too busy.
There were other flaws with that charting too....use of 2nd hand pressure drop data, no idea of the actual wattage of the CPU (I should try your calorimeter/bucket test when I get a chance), and a disambiguation of charted data to "real world" data. I try to include the written table with every (group of) instance(s) of the chart, but I agree I need something in the chart itself.
I kind of already do that...in the full collection of results, I show what temperatures are for core vs. water (what's posted in the first post), core vs. air and for core vs. air (with 1/3rd the radiator ability of mine). Here's a screenshot from my skinneelabs write-up:Originally Posted by Martinm210
And yeah, this has taken a lot of work....I'm dreading the Fuzion V2 and the alphacools (their 3 main blocks use identical bases but some have purported quality issues, so I'm going to test all the bases on all the blocks, so it's really going to be 9 blocks in actuality).
And if you think my 4 pump setup is "Freaking NUTS" then Testbed 3.0 will probably blow your mind
(my Dwyer RMC-144 maxes out at 7GPM, I don't feel like I'm getting money's worth right now )
Anyway, thanks for stopping by Martin, always great to see you around these parts
Wow, Vapor! You do a great job! Swiftech XT looks like the best WB on market
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Liquid Cooling System :
ThermoChill PA120.3 + Coolgate 4x120
Swiftech Apogee XT, Swiftech MCW-NBMAX Northbridge
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Laing 12V DDC-1Plus with XSPC Laing DDC Reservoir Top
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VAPOR, can u get this one?
Never heard about it/
Last edited by WaterFlex; 11-06-2009 at 11:47 PM.
Intel Q9650 @500x9MHz/1,3V
Asus Maximus II Formula @Performance Level=7
OCZ OCZ2B1200LV4GK 4x2GB @1200MHz/5-5-5-15/1,8V
OCZ SSD Vertex 3 120Gb
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XFX HD7970 3GB @1111MHz
Thermaltake Xaser VI BWS
Seasonic Platinum SS-1000XP
M-Audio Audiophile 192
LG W2486L
Liquid Cooling System :
ThermoChill PA120.3 + Coolgate 4x120
Swiftech Apogee XT, Swiftech MCW-NBMAX Northbridge
Watercool HeatKiller GPU-X3 79X0 Ni-Bl + HeatKiller GPU Backplate 79X0
Laing 12V DDC-1Plus with XSPC Laing DDC Reservoir Top
3x Scythe S-FLEX "F", 4x Scythe Gentle Typhoon "15", Scythe Kaze Master Ace 5,25''
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OS: Mac OS X Mavericks
Performs identically to this one: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/heatkillerlt775.html
Finished my HK3.0 + Copper top testing two nights ago and I can say that with absolute certainty. Write-up will be done in the next week or so, have to get testing done on a couple other blocks in that bunch, "Heatkiller and EK Supreme Revisted: Metal Tops and Modifying the EK Supreme"
^^
I sense better results than HK 3.0 LT...
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Watercooling setup:
1st loop -> Radiator: 2 x ThermoChill PA120.3 | Pump: Laing DDC-3.25 with Alphacool HF 38 top | CPU: Swiftech Apogee XT | Chipset: Swiftech MCW-NBMAX | Tubing: Masterkleer 1/2" UV
2nd loop -> Radiator: ThermoChill PA120.3 | Pump: Laing DDC-3.2 with Alphacool HF 38 top | GPU: 2 x EK FC-6870 | Tubing: Masterkleer 1/2" UV
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Asus Rampage II Extreme
Intel I7 920 D0 3930A @ 4.50GHz (21 X 214mhz)
3 x 2GB G.Skill Trident 1600 @ 1716MHz (6-8-6-20-1N)
2 x Asus HD 6870 CrossFire @ 1000/1100MHz
OCZ Vertex 2 60GB | Intel X25-M 120GB | WD Velociraptor 150GB | Seagate FreeAgent XTreme 1.5TB esata
Asus Xonar DX | Logitech Z-5500 | LG W2600HP 26" S-IPS LCD
Watercooling setup:
1st loop -> Radiator: 2 x ThermoChill PA120.3 | Pump: Laing DDC-3.25 with Alphacool HF 38 top | CPU: Swiftech Apogee XT | Chipset: Swiftech MCW-NBMAX | Tubing: Masterkleer 1/2" UV
2nd loop -> Radiator: ThermoChill PA120.3 | Pump: Laing DDC-3.2 with Alphacool HF 38 top | GPU: 2 x EK FC-6870 | Tubing: Masterkleer 1/2" UV
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Can't write it until I have all the data
I will say that using only EK parts + silicone, the HK3.0 and the XT were beat. Unfortunately the mod isn't nearly as easy as the first two, which were just 1mm layers of silicone on a flat surface.
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