Results 1 to 25 of 25

Thread: [Review] CPU Block Roundup #2 Begins: EK Supreme and EK Supreme LT Tested

  1. #1
    Admin
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Posts
    12,338

    [Review] CPU Block Roundup #2 Begins: EK Supreme and EK Supreme LT Tested

    Preface
    This is a quick version of my EK Supreme and EK Supreme Testing....it's part one of my Roundup #2 of waterblock testing. I have some cool things in store for testing (including ways to significantly improve the performance of some blocks) and will be testing a lot of blocks. Anyway, I'll cut the boring parts out of the test logs and post up the EK results in this thread

    If you have any questions, check out the full review (link above)...if they're not answered, ask away here


    Test Results

    First up, finding the best orientation for each block:

    Here we can see the Supreme pulling ahead of the Supreme LT, with both showing similar losses when oriented incorrectly. The best orientation for each is positioning the barbs parallel to the top of the board (or perpendicular to the socket latch). Specifically with the LT, having flow go from right to left (from the RAM slots to the I/O ports) nets a small but noticeable improvement. This is likely because Bloomfield processors have the die off-center, closer to the RAM slots.

    Now that we know which orientations are best for each block, let's run the full flowrate spectrum and see how they respond to flowrate.

    • Very High Pumping Power: All three MCP355 pumps and the D5 are on at full speed--this has a very similar PQ curve to a pair of RD-30s at 20V.
    • High Pumping Power: Two MCP355s with EK V2 tops are on at full speed. The other two pumps are off.
    • Medium High Pumping Power: A single MCP355 with XSPC V3 top is on at full speed. The other three pumps are off.
    • Medium Pumping Power: The stock D5 is on at full speed and setting 5. The other three pumps are off.
    • Low Pumping Power: A single MCP355 with XSPC V3 top is on at minimum speed (~7.7V, ~2450RPM). The other three pumps are off.
    • Very Low Pumping Power: The stock D5 is on at minimum speed--setting 1. The other three pumps are off.







    Note: I do 5 mounts at "Medium High" then take the best config of a block and test the whole flow spectrum (after a TIM curing session) then realign that curve with average of the 3 median mounts to give you the "Adjusted" data.


    Other Graphs

    More graphs for your enjoyment...let's start with reusing the flow vs. temperature data, but including pump heatdump (i.e., CPU vs. air temps). I have two iterations of it: CPU temperatures vs. my air temperatures and a setup with my water-to-air delta included twice more. The latter is to mimic a setup with one third the radiator power of my setup (roughly a 120x3 radiator with 1600RPM fans).




    Note: these results are derived from adding the water-to-air delta three times to my water temps. I add them three times to emulate the radiator power of a loop with 1/3rd the radiator power mine has. I use 2xMCR320s with push-pull 2200RPM Yate Loons and the data emulates the conditions of a loop with a single 120x3 radiator with ~1600RPM fans.

    Here we can see both blocks showing benefit (even if small) for all pumping powers tested on my testbed. Until you back down the radiator power that is...at that point both blocks really only benefit up until using dual DDCs. Past that and the heatdump from the pumps outweighs the improved block performance.


    Conclusion

    First things first, I'm really excited that I finally get some data where the flow vs. temperature curves are crossing! As for how the blocks compare, it's pretty data-centric. At extremely low pumping power, the LT is ahead, but at every other pumping power, the original Supreme is as good or better. The mounting systems are identical, so that's a wash. Aesthetics aren't for me to decide, so again a wash. Yes, the Supreme is more restrictive, but not by a staggering amount; the added restriction is definitely worth the improved temperatures. Pretty simply, the Supreme is the better block in my book.

    I do want to point out the mounting system though--I'm not fond of it. I don't mind assembling the screw system for mounting it, but it's a noticeable drawback behind the likes of Koolance, Swiftech, and D-Tek. Furthermore, the thumbnuts EK uses are pretty bad. They work fine, but after 30+ mounts with them, the sides and pads of my index fingers were totally raw--either they need to be made taller to reduce pressure on the fingers, or just be made less sharp. No other thumbscrew or thumbnut has left me clamoring for another one, but these did.

    When compared against each other, the two products fit into their respective price brackets well--the Supreme is the better block while the LT is the lower cost, lower performing offering. Where things get interesting will be seeing how the two blocks compare to their competition. More reviews are rolling out shortly, so stay tuned.

  2. #2
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    1,319
    Excellent review and write up once again.

    It is interesting that you got the results you did. While your review seems to agree with EK's stance on the blocks it disagrees with other reviews (review?).

  3. #3
    Chasing After Diety
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Absolutely Speachless :O
    Posts
    11,930
    Quote Originally Posted by faster3200 View Post
    Excellent review and write up once again.

    It is interesting that you got the results you did. While your review seems to agree with EK's stance on the blocks it disagrees with other reviews (review?).
    Yes... one thing was on orientation.
    i remember telling people orientation on the supreme was important.

    Vapor just showed it to us it is.

    Great reivew eric.

    Nadeshiko: i7 990 12GB DDR3 eVGA Classified *In Testing... Jealous? *
    Miyuki: W3580 6GB DDR3 P6T-Dlx
    Lind: Dual Gainestown 3.07
    Sammy: Dual Yonah Sossoman cheerleader. *Sammy-> Lind.*

    [12:37] skinnee: quit helping me procrastinate block reviews, you asshat. :p
    [12:38] Naekuh: i love watching u get the firing squad on XS
    Its my fault.. and no im not sorry about it either.

  4. #4
    Never go full retard
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Vegas
    Posts
    3,984
    Another well done set of tests and stellar presentation!

    my good friend!

    Quote Originally Posted by faster3200 View Post
    Excellent review and write up once again.

    It is interesting that you got the results you did. While your review seems to agree with EK's stance on the blocks it disagrees with other reviews (review?).
    Well, even though Vapor and I have two different benches and each have our own Supreme and Supreme LT blocks our data sets correspond quite well. Yeah I know, my data hasn't been released yet and Vapor has been dogging me about that. So after the SR1 review comes out, I'll drive the CPU block write-up to completion with lapped 920 data to come later.

    Anyhow, I don't want to derail the thread just wanted to point out that my data corresponds to Eric's testing and not some of the others I've seen.
    Last edited by skinnee; 09-23-2009 at 09:40 PM. Reason: man I suck w/o spell check.

  5. #5
    I am Xtreme
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Imperial Palace, UDE of Pitatopia
    Posts
    8,396
    Supreme reigns supre. . .oopppss, wrong forum.
    Circles SucQ!

    If your annoyed by sigs telling you to put things in your sig, then put this in your sig

    Bribery won't work on me...just say NO to AT!!!

  6. #6
    I am Xtreme
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,586
    how did the blocks do...at 1.46v @ 4.12ghz?


  7. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    675
    using the information, can someone estimate what would be the best use for these waterblocks for core2quad. as it as dual dies, unfortunately this information is next to useless for me atm

  8. #8
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    1,051
    Its interesting on the last graph that it shows there IS such a thing as too much flow. Even for the supreme.
    Computer: i7 2600k @ 4.7Ghz | Asus P8P67 Evo | Corsair LP 16gb 1600CL9 | Silver Arrow | Essence STX | Crucial m4 128gb | Silverstone Raven 3|

    Video: 2x Sapphire 6950 Toxic 2gb @ 6970 Switch @ 880 / 1350 | Asus VG248QE |

    Audio: ODAC+O2 => JH|13 Pro | STX => ATH-AD700X / Audioengine A5

  9. #9
    Admin
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Posts
    12,338
    Quote Originally Posted by Hondacity View Post
    how did the blocks do...at 1.46v @ 4.12ghz?
    No clue....those were the settings for Round #1...but I'm using 1.52V @ 4.2GHz now (more heat). KL-350, SW GTZ, and Fuzion V2 will all be retested for Round 2.

    These results are not comparable to preliminary results I showed before (at what appeared to be the same settings). Since the prelim results, I've gone up to triple channel and changed subsystem voltages. I expect official round #2 results to be hotter than the prelim tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bojamijams View Post
    Its interesting on the last graph that it shows there IS such a thing as too much flow. Even for the supreme.
    It's not that there's too much flow...it's that there's too much pump

    With a 'normal' setup of MCR/PA/RX-120x3 with 1600RPM fans, the heatdump from the pumps does negatively affect CPU temps past dual DDCs. There will definitely be blocks that have their best performance at lower pumping power (the next results I'm posting will have at least 1 such block) and maybe a block or two that scales all the way to 4 pumps (probably not though)

  10. #10
    Xtreme Enthusiast
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    565
    Vapor I am still meaning to send you that stuff....... Very busy at work now. Sorry for the delay!

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    MV-G
    3770K 5.00
    7970 1200/1700
    GSkill 2400
    Seasonic Platinum 1000
    Silverstone TJ08-E
    - Koolance AC-370 - Swiftech MCP-35X - Phobya Xtreme 200mm Rad - Koolance VID-AR797 -
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



    USA National Debt



  11. #11
    I am Xtreme
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,586
    excellent..@1.52v there is indeed alot of heat as compared to 1.46v

    i hope it won't take you long


  12. #12
    Admin
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Posts
    12,338
    Quote Originally Posted by Bei Fei View Post
    Vapor I am still meaning to send you that stuff....... Very busy at work now. Sorry for the delay!
    Not a problem...I have Heatkillers LT and LC, Sapphire Rev A, Fuzion V2, GTZ, GTZ SE, three Alphacools, Phobya, and the CPU-345 to test in addition to the CPU-350

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondacity View Post
    excellent..@1.52v there is indeed alot of heat as compared to 1.46v

    i hope it won't take you long
    It won't be too long...testing is a lot faster now. Not sure the order I'll do them in though.

  13. #13
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    1,674
    no wai. You have the enzotech sapphire? I want test results on it. Want to vertify hesmelaugh's results please.

    Nice testing btw.

    I can't believe that the lt and supreme are only 1.5 degrees away from each other at 1.5gpm.
    Last edited by Boogerlad; 09-24-2009 at 04:02 PM.

  14. #14
    Admin
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Posts
    12,338
    Quote Originally Posted by Boogerlad View Post
    no wai. You have the enzotech sapphire? I want test results on it. Want to vertify hesmelaugh's results please.

    Nice testing btw.

    I can't believe that the lt and supreme are only 1.5 degrees away from each other at 1.5gpm.
    Yeah, I'm curious about the Sapphire too....definitely a super low restriction block though, I was getting insane flowrates from when I connected it for a few min

    One thing I want to point out (since I still haven't done a walkthrough of my testbed yet), is that flowrate through the radiators is controlled. Every test has the exact same flowrate through the radiators, so any gains you see are solely gains from the waterblock responding to flow.

  15. #15
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    1,674
    Didn't you already post a thread on your new testbed? I swear I saw it here before. I might mod the sapphire to become a gpu block. Save some cash.

  16. #16
    Admin
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Posts
    12,338
    Yeah, sorta....that thread didn't really go in depth about it...the focus was more on the results I guess, shrug. I need to get pictures up when it's not collecting data...it's ugly but it's beautiful in its own way

    Working on Heatkiller 3.0 testing again...will be adding (hopefully) a couple of simple ways to improve them as well

  17. #17
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    1,319
    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    Working on Heatkiller 3.0 testing again...will be adding (hopefully) a couple of simple ways to improve them as well
    I love the improvement advice. The Fusion V2 results prompted me to buy one and test it out, until I realized I have no means of actually testing it .

  18. #18
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    675
    no one can answer my question above regarding orientation on C2Q?

  19. #19
    Admin
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Posts
    12,338
    Considering the divider at the inlet (which I have to believe is there for C2Q), I'd think vertical is best? Unless I'm getting my core orientation mixed up on C2Q.

  20. #20
    Never go full retard
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Vegas
    Posts
    3,984
    Quote Originally Posted by faster3200 View Post
    I love the improvement advice. The Fusion V2 results prompted me to buy one and test it out, until I realized I have no means of actually testing it .
    Ah see, thats where you're expecting too much. Test it with whatever means you have. Download RealTemp, Prime/OCCT, and get something to measure ambients (be it a thermostat or anything you can just set near the machine)... test with whatever gear you have available and test out your own theories.

  21. #21
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    1,319
    Quote Originally Posted by skinnee View Post
    Ah see, thats where you're expecting too much. Test it with whatever means you have. Download RealTemp, Prime/OCCT, and get something to measure ambients (be it a thermostat or anything you can just set near the machine)... test with whatever gear you have available and test out your own theories.
    See, I totally planned on doing this exactly. Then I realized all my spare comps were either sold or are being used and I can't cannibalize my current comp every time I want to make a change.

    I think I might just end up buying some QDCs for my CPU block though. Ahhh WCing, what a whore you are and I am your .

  22. #22
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Australia, Perth
    Posts
    1,167
    Is the Supreme still really restrictive? Or is it less restrictive than the LT??

  23. #23
    Xtreme Addict
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    1,478
    Quote Originally Posted by Waterlogged View Post
    Supreme reigns supre. . .oopppss, wrong forum.
    Bwahaha. Cheeky ba$t@rd...

  24. #24
    Admin
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Posts
    12,338
    Quote Originally Posted by dingdong555 View Post
    Is the Supreme still really restrictive? Or is it less restrictive than the LT??
    Supreme is way more restrictive than the LT.

    I have a Supreme GOLD here and it has a different midplate (don't know how it performs yet), so maybe that change is going to be implemented over the entire line?

  25. #25
    I am Xtreme
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,586
    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    Supreme is way more restrictive than the LT.

    I have a Supreme GOLD here and it has a different midplate (don't know how it performs yet), so maybe that change is going to be implemented over the entire line?
    pic please..i have the copper top..and reusing the original midplate from the acrylic top...

    i hope ek sells the new midplates


Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •