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    Well I am not surprised. Nvidia was the one saying "we will produce monolithic unbelievably huge and fast chips because AMD's low cost smaller GPUs are a waste of time". Maybe its time to reconsider.



    Frankly this is the only piece of info that we have so for now it will have to suffice as debate material.

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    Getting a bit tired of this, the 'I know more but I'm not telling'. No offense to you buddy but c'mon, what possible use is there for posts like that with no substance except for, 'So... not true'.
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    Getting quite tired of that as well. As far as I can tell BenchZowner is just an nvidia fanboy and a troll. No disrespect to you BenchZowner but trying to prove to others that you have more information than everyone else without producing anything doesn't help your credibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybercat View Post
    Hey guys, heads up, I got a preview look at Charlie Demerjian's next article:
    this

    i find this hard to believe considering that 3 months ago we were hearing about gt300 yeilds in the 20-25% range. i think charlie needs a girlfriend.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 570091D View Post
    i think charlie needs a girlfriend.....
    actually, more like a boyfriend! hell, just a friend!
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    300mm wafers.... 416 samples.....

    Which genius fancies figuring out the die-size?

    Assuming that the sample count is right......
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    Quote Originally Posted by K404 View Post
    300mm wafers.... 416 samples.....

    Which genius fancies figuring out the die-size?

    Assuming that the sample count is right......
    Wafers being circular makes it a bit hard

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    Quote Originally Posted by K404 View Post
    300mm wafers.... 416 samples.....

    Which genius fancies figuring out the die-size?

    Assuming that the sample count is right......
    Yeah sample number seems a bit high!!
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    Ummm... lots of mis-info and assumptions being made in this thread.

    #1- Charlie is NOT the source. A different source leaked some info and a very good informant even posted up the numbers Charlie was going to quote yesterday. This informant quoted similar troubles but slightly higher yields, still under 10%.

    #2- G300 never was getting 20-25% yields, that was a compeltely made up rumor based on RV740 yields.
    G300 was either just taped out or not even tapedout 3 months ago...

    #3- G300 is supposedly around G200 size, even though it is on 40nm vs 65nm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zerazax View Post
    Wafers being circular makes it a bit hard
    I know thats why I didnt have a shot myself

    There must be a formula for stuff like that seeing as its industry-standard
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    Quote Originally Posted by K404 View Post
    300mm wafers.... 416 samples.....

    Which genius fancies figuring out the die-size?

    Assuming that the sample count is right......
    It's 104 per wafer
    rumors say it 23x23 529 mm2
    If my rough math is right that would be around 3.2 billion transitors

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    104 is MILES off (welll....x4) the 416 in the original post.

    If you feel inclined, can ya work out the rough transistor count or die size for 416 samples?

    We can say "this is probably BS" with maths and science instead of just "Its BS coz its FUD"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Getting a bit tired of this, the 'I know more but I'm not telling'. No offense to you buddy but c'mon, what possible use is there for posts like that with no substance except for, 'So... not true'.
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    I really hope this is not true, because if it is... wow. Boatload of fail.
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    Charlie: Nvidia's GT300 yields are less than 2%



    Nvidia Fanboy: No, it’s not true! It’s impossible.



    Charlie: Search your feelings… you know it to be true…



    Nvidia Fanboy: NO!

    Charlie: Even if GT300 yields are 100%, R8XX will blow it out of the water (Says the AMD fanboy)

    I'm making light of fanboyism. Fanboys get in denial mode and act like nothing is wrong. Makes me laugh.
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    I believe theres some truth to this.. maybe not the stupid less then 2% but i can believe that they weren't what they where expecting, and now it's been twisted and turned into this..... :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdream View Post
    Can you point out any examples where he is wrong? He was right about the number of shaders in Cypress, so can you provide 19 articles where he is wrong, to prove your correct percentage?
    I've been reading Charlie's stuff for about a decade now and while he has made some very good predictions, the fact remains that he's one of those guys who typically throws out a whole wide range of predictions in order to hedge his bet.

    He predicted on Tuesday, 5 May 2009 that RV870 would have 1200 stream processors. In November, 2008 he predicted 2000, and I've also seen him throw out the 960sp number as well for the chip.

    Anyone who throws out three nicely spaced out numbers is bound to have one of them land pretty close to the mark.


    What really gives me a laugh is how we revisit this same topic every single product cycle, and more importantly how Charlie is still trying to convince the online community how "accurate" he always is.

    Oh well, at least the guy seems happy.

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    From what I've read, Charlie's articles usually tend to be right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K404 View Post
    104 is MILES off (welll....x4) the 416 in the original post.

    If you feel inclined, can ya work out the rough transistor count or die size for 416 samples?

    We can say "this is probably BS" with maths and science instead of just "Its BS coz its FUD"
    There were 4 wafers.. hence 4 x 104 = 416

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    Quote Originally Posted by cegras View Post
    From what I've read, Charlie's articles usually tend to be right.
    charlie has a profile on XS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cegras View Post
    From what I've read, Charlie's articles usually tend to be right.
    If you google "Charlie Demerjian RV870 (R800, RV8xx, etc) shaders (stream processors, SP's, etc)" you'll find that he has claimed 1200, 960, 2000, 1400, and 1600 over the past year.

    He did the same with every GPU/CPU since I got into PC tech over a decade ago.

    Here is one incident where Charlie's little 'shell game' didn't quite work out for him.

    http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...l-ceo-confirms

    Yes... that is Charlie in the bunny suit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SKYMTL View Post
    Consider the source though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew LB View Post
    He predicted on Tuesday, 5 May 2009 that RV870 would have 1200 stream processors.



    He called it "RV870" ?
    Can you put a link for that article please,I can only find this one here:

    http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/09/...-shader-count/


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