nvidia gt300

[Levesque]

That would be bad info. The 380 and 390 will be DX11.

We all know that. But that's why we now know the 380 won't be out soon... Or else Nvidia's PR would be all over the internet saying that DX11 is the 2nd coming...

[Talonman]

huh?



with 295 coming in at 25fps that has got to be very high resolution, quality and AA

We will have to see how the reviews call it....

From what I have seen in the posted benchmarks, the 295 looked to be on top, at 1920x1200 X4 AA, X8 AF.


The 5870 will probably win a few, as it is a very impressive card.

I still would think the 295 will come out on top, most of the time...
(It is a dual chipped card after all.)

I do find the Crysis benchmark you posted especially odd, due to that game normally running best on nVidia GPU's.

[Talonman]

We all know that. But that's why we now know the 380 won't be out soon... Or else Nvidia's PR would be all over the internet saying that DX11 is the 2nd coming...

You may have a point, as they are not known for being a quiet bunch.
They are good at what they do.

[B.E.E.F.]

I still would think the 295 will come out on top, most of the time...
(It is a dual chipped card after all.)

The dual chips might be the reason it doesn't. Bottlenecks and all. Thanks for the benchmarks. Looks like they show that the HD5870 is indeed faster than the 295, and shows more promise with driver improvements.

Can't wait for the other benches. The HD5870 is a little pricey now.

[Talonman]

Promise is the key word.

I still want nVidia to work on the same driver performance improvements with higher AA, that they did do with the 4XAA...

The 295 using 4XAA rocks.

I also want to see how much $$ that NewEgg sells the HD5870 for. I really do think it is a monster crard, and do like that it is able to run multiple FPD's.

I don't think however it should take the 295's crown yet... like how the 4870X2 took the 280's. (Not for 1920x1200 anyway.)
It may down the line, but I think we need to see those driver improvements first.

For 2560x1600, I will give it to the 4870, but I do think there are allot more 1920x1200 guys.

Heck, they are sooo close in the performance of most things, we just need better benchmarks to confirm this raw info for a final ruleing.
It could go a tad either way, then all bets would be off.

[LowRun]

We will have to see how the reviews call it....

From what I have seen in the posted benchmarks, the 295 looked to be on top, at 1920x1200 X4 AA, X8 AF.


The 5870 will probably win a few, as it is a very impressive card.

I still would think the 295 will come out on top, most of the time...
(It is a dual chipped card after all.)

I do find the Crysis benchmark you posted especially odd, due to that game normally running best on nVidia GPU's.

Did you notice in the graph you provided 5870 wins 10 out of the 10 tests @ 2560x1600 8xAA 16xAF. Looks a lot like the 295 beater you were asking for

[jaredpace]

Did you notice in the graph you provided 5870 wins 10 out of the 10 tests @ 2560x1600 8xAA 16xAF. Looks a lot like the 295 beater you were asking for

Yes, 5870 also won in 12 out of 14 games at the highest resolutions tested (only losing in FC2 & Warhead).... def. beats the 295 when in matters most. Who gives a crap if one card is 180fps and the other is 195fps when the resolution is 1680x1050 0AA/0AF - may as well "put them to the test"

[Talonman]

Did you notice in the graph you provided 5870 wins 10 out of the 10 tests @ 2560x1600 8xAA 16xAF. Looks a lot like the 295 beater you were asking for

Yes I did... It did do an outstanding job at that res.

Good thing I'm a 1920x1200 guy!

Those guys that run at 2560x1600 are allot harder to find. What size display is that?

Yes, 5870 also won in 12 out of 14 games at the highest resolutions tested (only losing in FC2 & Warhead).... def. beats the 295 when in matters most. Who gives a crap if one card is 180fps and the other is 195fps when the resolution is 1680x1050 0AA/0AF - may as well "put them to the test"

When it matters most is when you run @ 2560x1600?

I still think there are WAY more 1920x1200 guys. (24" FPD usually are optimized for 1920x1200)

What RES do you guys run at?


FYI - Posted by: ownage

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=234525&page=9



GT300-A1 version
GT300
700 MHz Drawing clock (MHz) 700 MHz
Processor clock (MHz) 1600 MHz * 512 = 819200
281.6GB/s GDDR5 <225W 281.6GB / s GDDR5 <225W

GT200b GT200b
648 MHz Drawing clock (MHz) 648 MHz
Processor clock (MHz) 1476 MHz * 240 = 354240
159.0GB/s GDDR3 <204W 159.0GB / s GDDR3 <204W

Looks allot like wikipedia...

A 295's stock clock settings are Core = 576MHz, and Shaders (Stream Processors) = 1242MHz

My 295 will OC to: Talonman ------------ Q6600@ 3.81GHz --- (1) 295 679/1548/1224 ----- P24,252 (PhysX on)

If the A1 Revision would run at Core = 700MHz, and Shaders = 1600MHz at stock speed, that would be a nice jump!

The 512 bit bus is sweet, and I do hope it's 2GB of GDDR5.
If some extra performance is indeed realized going from SIMD to MIMD, we could be in for a good ride?

I can't wait until they strap that puppy in for a bench!
Better use a faster CPU than I have, to let it shine.
She sounds like a runner...

[LowRun]

FYI - Posted by: ownage

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=234525&page=9

FYI - Posted by jaredpace

Maybe you saw it here?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...6&postcount=58

[Talonman]

I cant remember if I did...

Thanks for the link.

[perkam]

Talon, you're the ONLY one going around defending the 295 vs the 5870 m8.

Why bother? It's not like people will forget to look at heat, size and wattage issues. The 5870 is a next generation card with next generation features.

NO ONE wants to spend $500 and be stuck in 2009.

Perkam

[Talonman]

Perkam, You were the one who was trying to sell that the 4890 took a 285 down so bad...

You shouldn't be so quick when it's nVidia's crown, that your trying to hand back to ATI bro...

Looked like to me you were trying to sell your own thing...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=234531

I saw your '$399 for > GTX 295 Performance !!!' thread.


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...233621&page=46

Posted by saaya:

'5850 beats 285 but not by much
so going from a 285 to a 5850 doesnt really make sense...

upgrading to a 5870 MAYBE makes sense...

upgrading from a 295 to 5870 would actually be a step back... unless your just into benching and want hundreds of fps... where you really need extra gpu perf to get acceptable playable fps, ie demanding games, the 295 seems to be about the same or faster than the 5870.'

Just wait for the official reviews. To me, it looks res dependent. I'm sure it does to others too.

[B.E.E.F.]

Those guys that run at 2560x1600 are allot harder to find. What size display is that?

30" and up. But there are more models in 30" that are coming out in 1920x1200 and now another NEW standard for LCDs of 1920x1080.

upgrading from a 295 to 5870 would actually be a step back... unless your just into benching and want hundreds of fps... where you really need extra gpu perf to get acceptable playable fps, ie demanding games, the 295 seems to be about the same or faster than the 5870.'[/COLOR]

Just wait for the official reviews. To me, it looks res dependent. I'm sure others too.

It depends on the needs and how much money you get from selling a used GTX 295 for.

If you're looking at power consumption, noise and heat, the HD5870 wins because its built on the 40nm process. And you don't get any multi-card issues like Crossfire/SLi. And yes, wait for the official reviews. We don't even know which driver this card has been tested with. Maybe the official driver offers more or even less performance. Who knows?

[Talonman]

Thanks for the info on the '30" and up' 2560x1600 displays.

I will be waiting to see if the reviews cover 1920x1200, or if they go right for the 30" + res displays.

If they don't cover the lower res too, allot of people may walk away with info that isn't the most accurate for their system.

There will no doubt be some strong opinions on how the reviews were conducted.

Sounds like the makings for a good read!

If the 5870 is faster than a 295, they better get it in the store fast, before the 380 and 390 are released...

Or it's reign will be a short one.

[jasonelmore]

meh, i believe i'll just stick with my gtx 295 for now until the gt 300 comes out in or around january. The only game that push's my gtx295, is crysis wars and from the benchmarks above, it looks like the 295 is neck and neck with the 5870. I'm just hoping that my dual pcb gtx295 holds it's value around Christmas time so i can sell it to get the gt300 with a $100 bucks to boot.

[Talonman]

My dual pcb 295 will make it to the 380 too.

Sounds like a plan.

[bigKr33]

I'm gonna try waiting for the gt300. I'm preferable a nvidia fan, but I need more info if I'm gonna wait. I really really would like to get the gtx295 successor. But if for whatever reason I don't hear anything soon I'm going straight for the 5870x2.

[Clairvoyant129]

Perkam, You were the one who was trying to sell that the 4890 took a 285 down so bad...

You shouldn't be so quick when it's nVidia's crown, that your trying to hand back to ATI bro...

I prefer Nvidia cards but I still think you're trying too hard Talon. With drivers improvements, at the end of the day, HD5870 will be faster than a GTX 295 across all types of resolution that isn't CPU bound.

[CyberDruid]

Any rumors or whispers about a dual GPU 300 series?

[216]

Thanks for the info on the '30" and up' 2560x1600 displays.

I will be waiting to see if the reviews cover 1920x1200, or if they go right for the 30" + res displays.

Looks like I need a 5870 for my 30incher!
Brings water to my eyes!!!

[LordEC911]

Any rumors or whispers about a dual GPU 300 series?

Quite awhile ago, don't know how much to trust it though since recent talk of G300 is of a 40nm chip larger than G200...
They will have to wait for the process to mature quite a bit or maybe hope to hop on 32/28nm pretty quickly and maybe get it out in 2H '10.

[Chumbucket843]

Quite awhile ago, don't know how much to trust it though since recent talk of G300 is of a 40nm chip larger than G200...
They will have to wait for the process to mature quite a bit or maybe hope to hop on 32/28nm pretty quickly and maybe get it out in 2H '10.

thought it twas 104 wafers per die? the gt200a is ~94 and gt200b is ~120. they arent increasing the bus size and the shaders scale pretty well with fab process so we will see if the rumours are true.

[lonewolf218]

We all know that. But that's why we now know the 380 won't be out soon... Or else Nvidia's PR would be all over the internet saying that DX11 is the 2nd coming...

Or Nvidia knows they have an ace up their sleeve and really aren't worried what ATI says. Everything ATI/AMD says should be taken with a grain of salt, I've personally never seen their products live up to the hype. The fact they are comparing their new products to Nvidia's last generation pretty much sums it up for me.

[216]

The fact they are comparing their new products to Nvidia's last generation pretty much sums it up for me.

What else are they gunna do! Compare yields with the gt300
Use your loaf!

[Jamesrt2004]

Or Nvidia knows they have an ace up their sleeve and really aren't worried what ATI says. Everything ATI/AMD says should be taken with a grain of salt, I've personally never seen their products live up to the hype. The fact they are comparing their new products to Nvidia's last generation pretty much sums it up for me.

this just made my day.. damn that ATI comparing there products to other ones on the market *shakes fist*

anyway normally we see around what between 5~15% increase from driver performance in games etc, so I still think the 5870 will just match a trade punches with the 295 while beaing cheaper (which is always good) think the cheapest 5870 vs 295 on NEWEGG (im from UK i dont know any other US site :P) was $90 now thats a big gap and not worth it to "swap" cards, but if your looking at the two 5870 wins especially with the low power consumpton and the (finally) fixed idle power consumption...

I do believe gt300 will beat the rv8XX but theres a reason Nvidia are quiet, normally they are the ones showing off when they have something coming up... its just quite... mm unsettling? ... I hope it does well, im just worried the monolithic design(lower yields) with the (crap) 40nm process at tmsc atm... its kinda shot them in the foot a tad :/ ...

btw dont believe those leakes specs on wiki.. even the 58XX was over 2 billion assuming gt300 is still "monolithic" design it just has to have more right :/?

meh.

good luck to them both but just want nvidia's stuff out sooner!!!!!



p.s also if you didnt see the hype for the 4XXX series your a deluded fanboy.. lol every1 agrees that was an awesome launch I mean they surprised even theirselves.