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    nice box boss .. I didn´t read the ppd output
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    1.35v for 3600, 1.4v for 3800..

    The one thing I don't like is that you have to mount the TRUE horizontal instead of vertical and in a mid tower the psu is 3" above the HS..
    BUT it's doing the job and the little beatsie has been on WCG at 100% load for the last 15 hours..
    max temp is 48C
    I have one of these: an AM2 Retention Mount Adapter Kit for Socket AM2/AM2+/AM3 from Prolimatech (for the megahalems) that I am going try out with my TRUE. I'll let you know if it works (which would be good).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbjaust View Post
    I have one of these: an AM2 Retention Mount Adapter Kit for Socket AM2/AM2+/AM3 from Prolimatech (for the megahalems) that I am going try out with my TRUE. I'll let you know if it works (which would be good).
    yes, please do in fact PM me if it works..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    My first thoughts on it is that it's fast, it's smoothe and it's fun.
    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    I was saying to perkam earlier in Pm that what really impresses me on this is the "perceived" speed of the system. It's not benchmarks, it's not numbers but in daily type usage it is just plain fast.
    Smoother? Oh noes not that again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    I was saying to perkam earlier in Pm that what really impresses me on this is the "perceived" speed of the system. It's not benchmarks, it's not numbers but in daily type usage it is just plain fast.
    Part of that is the raptor but it's only a part.
    I turned it down to 3407 last night to let it crunch the night as I wanted to get a good feel for the system before I pushed higher.
    At 3407mhz the computational power seems to be a little more than a Intel Q6600 at 3600mhz but it is much smoother in usage.
    It's sitting on my desk in my office with 3 other machines beside it all at 100% load.. 2 dual socket harpers and a sossaman rig. I turn off the AC when I go to bed and came down here this morning to find 80F temps ..
    The AMD had moved exactly 1C while the Intel's had moved up 5C..
    Like I said, very nice machine for daily usage.
    Ive always figured on going with AMD PHII over i7 for my upgrade.
    Just wasnt sure as i now have a Q66 at 3.6ghz.

    I think i will do it then

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirheck View Post
    Ive always figured on going with AMD PHII over i7 for my upgrade.
    Just wasnt sure as i now have a Q66 at 3.6ghz.

    I think i will do it then

    Oh and as for you not being able to hear the fan from a foot away.
    Well you lost most of your hearing a century ago
    You try and be honest with yourself and others as much as possible. What I've seen here is that although the computational power of the i7 is greater at the same speeds the effective seen speed isn't any different for normal everyday usage.
    I said smoothe a few times in this thread and that is the perception. The flow from screen to screen is smoother than on my Intels.
    The feeling when using it is less of a mechanical feeling and more of a natural one. There is no provable logic to this but that is what is felt on this system.
    They really hit it right with this system and give credit to AMD or Gigabyte or both, I don't know, but it works and works well.
    When all is said and done, that is what matters for everyday usage.
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    Yeah pretty much the one thing that draws me to X58 is the ability to run both CF and SLI.
    The thing i like about PH II is they are a little cheaper overall and seem to be much cooler running.
    Plus have read when oc,ed they are on par with the s775,s performance wise.
    And im satisfied with the performance of my Q66.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    I said smoothe a few times in this thread and that is the perception. The flow from screen to screen is smoother than on my Intels.
    I'm really happy to see a respected Intel guy try a PhenomII...
    Just be careful with the smooth word MM, it's gotten me in trouble with the Blue crowd a number of times...

    Glad to see your enjoying your new rig, I'm sure I7 is fun to play with too but I'm an unapologetic AMD fan... Nice to see you give PHII some honest, personal experience props.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    At 3407mhz the computational power seems to be a little more than a Intel Q6600 at 3600mhz but it is much smoother in usage.
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    Thanks guys..
    Sometimes we focus too much on numbers and is this one 2.5% better than that one where the reality is in "how much fun is the machine to use every day?"
    On the machines I use for DC work I do look from the viewpoint of production/time/electrical cost but for a daily driver I don't.
    I want a cool running, reasonably quiet, reasonably powerfull machine at a stable speed that I can count on every day.
    This seems to be that machine from what I've seen so far.
    As to an "Intel guy" that is a improper perception.
    I buy what I think is best at the time and blue or green isn't an issue. Just a machine to do what I need from it.
    Same with video cards.. I have both ATI and nVidia..
    I have no loyalty to either, just what is the best for the usage at the time.
    This is why it frustrates the living sheet out of me to see people that absolutely have their eyes closed to anything but what they love..fanboyism to a company is the worst mistake anyone can make.
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    nice system you got........

    for most cases it is not difficult to buy computer parts Money or brand or feature etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    Thanks guys..
    Sometimes we focus too much on numbers and is this one 2.5% better than that one where the reality is in "how much fun is the machine to use every day?"
    On the machines I use for DC work I do look from the viewpoint of production/time/electrical cost but for a daily driver I don't.
    I want a cool running, reasonably quiet, reasonably powerfull machine at a stable speed that I can count on every day.
    This seems to be that machine from what I've seen so far.
    As to an "Intel guy" that is a improper perception.
    I buy what I think is best at the time and blue or green isn't an issue. Just a machine to do what I need from it.
    Same with video cards.. I have both ATI and nVidia..
    I have no loyalty to either, just what is the best for the usage at the time.
    This is why it frustrates the living sheet out of me to see people that absolutely have their eyes closed to anything but what they love..fanboyism to a company is the worst mistake anyone can make.
    Buy what you like, what you can afford and what makes you happy and the hell with what anyone else says.
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    We have very similar POV despite age difference (not to mention geographical distance). I'm using AMD hardware right now because that's what I like. It's not as widespread as Intel and different to it. But I'm giving Intel full credit for bringing such a monster CPU as i7 is! If I will need that much power I will buy it!
    I have my favorite CPU brand, but that doesn't stop me from typing this post on a C2D laptop. I bought Atom based nettop for my wife because that platform suited her needs best!
    I'm basically loyal to brand as far as it fits within my needs.

    In the end we all should be more or less fans of hardware/brands which suits us, but not fanboys whose only endlessly argue opposite side arguments without even trying to look at it from different POV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    I was saying to perkam earlier in Pm that what really impresses me on this is the "perceived" speed of the system. It's not benchmarks, it's not numbers but in daily type usage it is just plain fast.
    Part of that is the raptor but it's only a part.
    I noticed that with my old AMD machine as well (X2 3800+, M2N-SLI Deluxe, 2GB DDR2-800, Raptor 74GB drive). It just "felt" fast. For normal Windows usage it seemed to run smoother than the E6600, Q6700, E8400, Q9550, and now the i7 920 that came after it.

    They're all faster gaming chips, naturally, and I've had progressively faster GPUs, but it just surprised me how much more sluggish Windows felt with the Intel chips even though the Intel machines all had 4GB of DDR2-1000 or higher.

    EDIT: And it's awesome that AMD is finally making a competitive product. A lot more people are running AMD than there used to be a year or two ago. Good for them!
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    This perceived speed difference thing is really making me wonder. Do AMD CPUs process the Windows GUI/interface differently somehow? Maybe there are differences there in the way different CPUs handle different web browsers. AMD Phenoms are uber fast with Firefox for some reason. Browsers have been benchmarked and I think there are explanations as to why, but what can we do to test CPUs this way? I always figured AMD's HyperTransport smoothed things out when compared to FSB based Intel CPUs, but now yall are saying they seem faster than Core i7s. As I believe humans are capable of perceiving a lot, there has to be some way to test what this difference is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechromancer View Post
    This perceived speed difference thing is really making me wonder. Do AMD CPUs process the Windows GUI/interface differently somehow? Maybe there are differences there in the way different CPUs handle different web browsers. AMD Phenoms are uber fast with Firefox for some reason. Browsers have been benchmarked and I think there are explanations as to why, but what can we do to test CPUs this way? I always figured AMD's HyperTransport smoothed things out when compared to FSB based Intel CPUs, but now yall are saying they seem faster than Core i7s. As I believe humans are capable of perceiving a lot, there has to be some way to test what this difference is.
    Don't forget the "smoother in games" feeling too ,so it's not just the web browsing

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    especially cpu intensive games such as: solitare
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    Quote Originally Posted by i found nemo View Post
    especially cpu intensive games such as: solitare
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    I have had a wide variety of components, from Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Ati. I just enjoy computer hardware, and tweaking it to the best of my abilities.
    I have no respect for people that are close minded to the other side. I just comes down to the fact the AMD is a blast to tinker with, and I think Dave just found out why.
    I will look forward to further updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiderman View Post
    I have had a wide variety of components, from Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Ati. I just enjoy computer hardware, and tweaking it to the best of my abilities.
    I have no respect for people that are close minded to the other side. I just comes down to the fact the AMD is a blast to tinker with, and I think Dave just found out why.
    I will look forward to further updates.

    BTW: How old are you Dave....really? I am errr......41 myself.
    me? 57, 1/2 way to 58..
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    The reason I don't like intel at the moment is that they are too darned easy to OC... I mean, my E8400 shot sky high with zero effort. I literally had my E8400 4Ghz stable in less than a week of testing. That's not really a "bad" thing, but how boring is that? A week and I already am done?

    I've had my 720BE for a couple months now and I'm still tweaking in my OC. Now that is value... entertainment value
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
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    Here's an interesting obsevation for you guys;
    I've had the 940 system crunching WCG @3407mhz for the last 30 hours straight and the "credits per cpu second" are almost identical to my gainestown at 3458mhz..
    I mean so close it's comical.
    Now the gainestown has HT enabled so that is a factor but what it is showing me is the true power of the AMD system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    Here's an interesting obsevation for you guys;
    I've had the 940 system crunching WCG @3407mhz for the last 30 hours straight and the "credits per cpu second" are almost identical to my gainestown at 3458mhz..
    I mean so close it's comical.
    Now the gainestown has HT enabled so that is a factor but what it is showing me is the true power of the AMD system.
    thats interesting, keep the info coming. its nice to see a comparison from one who actualy has both.

    Quick questiong too, at what speed do you have your NB running?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman View Post
    Here's an interesting obsevation for you guys;
    I've had the 940 system crunching WCG @3407mhz for the last 30 hours straight and the "credits per cpu second" are almost identical to my gainestown at 3458mhz..
    I mean so close it's comical.
    Now the gainestown has HT enabled so that is a factor but what it is showing me is the true power of the AMD system.
    Translation:

    "I has a new MISTRESS, and her name is AMD"



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