Yes, crunching has not cured cancer yet, otherwise noone would be doing it anymore, the success comes after you do the work, not before.Originally Posted by chris.c
It is like a job in a way, you do the work, once you did the work you get paid, not before.
I've had loved ones die from cancer as well, it's something that we all have gone through or will go through at some point. But we still need to realize the bigger picture. If we don't get a handle on climate change and consumption, there won't be any humanity left to help with distributed computing.When half your family has died of cancer, you stop caring so much about the environment.
I play about 10 hours per week on my gaming PC that pulls 300W from the wall. It is turned completely off the rest of the time. I do the rest of my computing on an Atom, which is how I'm posting this. Having multiple high powered PCs running at full speed 24/7 is a waste, regardless of what they are doing.+1
People don't care too much about the enviroment when playing games with CF/SLI (sucking power like mad). Here is new slogan: "Reduce FSAA/AF - save trees"
That is a over simplified idealist analogy. For all we know, distributed computing could never yield a major breakthrough in medicine. Lower energy consumption is something we can appreciate now.
Considering this is in the news section and there are new rules in place that bans people for any flaming, I suggest you all just drop it
I'm sure more cores is a good thing, not only for crunchers, but for those who play CPU dependent games like GTA IV, Prototype, Supreme Commander etc.... I'm sure that 6 factor is going to be VERY useful (especially with HT as that will bring 12 threads to the table).
Any idea on pricing and ETA? (for UK)
John
Stop looking at the walls, look out the window
For all we know, we could get a handle on climate change without much ado, and it definitely won't kill or harm us in the near term -- quite the opposite of cancer, eh? How many million of people die each year from cancer and how many die from climate change? This is the big picture, the only one who's using a simplified analogy is you: How about reducing useless power consumption (e.g. gaming *hint*) instead of power consumption that goes towards folding/research?I've had loved ones die from cancer as well, it's something that we all have gone through or will go through at some point. But we still need to realize the bigger picture. If we don't get a handle on climate change and consumption, there won't be any humanity left to help with distributed computing.
You're lying, either you are deceiving yourself or trying to lie to us. Tell me, how does environmental change compare to ~50million deaths of age-related disease, tens of millions from poverty or 7 million cancer deaths per year?
We're not going to spend our billions exclusively on anything. There's no "comes before".
On topic:
Why shouldn't they improve the turbo mode other than for political reasons? It definitely could be more aggressive at 32nm.
If people really worried about the environment lights in major citys would be turned off, why do we need billions of street lights, cars have headlights not to mention all the billboard lights, baseball, football field lights etc. What about all the damn sprinklers to water stuff, citys waste a lot more power than we will ever use crunching. The government could turn off all those satellites that are microwaving the earth also... http://globalmicrowave.orgfree.com/index.htm
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I wonder how much of the improved turbo mode in Lynnefield is as a result of further tweaking of turbo mode, versus Intel feeling that as Lynnefield is the mainstream choice instead of the server oriented version, they could be more adventurous with it.
Because Hex Core will be slotting into the server oriented platorm(x58), maybe they won't be as adventurous with turbo mode.
Will the faster stock release speed that 32nm would allow over 45nm, take up the aggression as such?It definitely could be more aggressive at 32nm.
If the rumors are true that I5 and P55 won't end up cheap, it will make sense to limit the turbo mode of the 6core chips to keep I5 attractive with giving it a clock advantage when running non multithreaded apps. That way both will sell instead of people just ignoring I5 and either sticking with C2D / C2Q or going for the high end option.
Is there a kind guy that makes me understand Intel future roadmap?Thank you
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well according to recent studies climate change costs the live of 300k people per year and makes 300 million people suffer (shortages on food/water). Till 2030 it will affect 660 million people and 500k deaths per year.
http://www.ghf-geneva.org/index.cfm?uNewsID=157
Huh ??!
Remeber the dinos ? It was not their fault but it wiped out - ALL - of them out of this planet.We have potential to screw it like that if we play hardball with earth.
I will give some example - bees die out, in a few years majority of human kind would die out because there would be not enough food.Cancer is really a joke ... if you want to compare it environmental catastrophes.
The easiest way to manipulate people info something is for "common good" some possibilities include :
- dying children
- poor animals
- common disease in this case CANCER
How do you know calculations iare used for that ? Maybe 10% for cancer and rest is used to develop new Viagra ? Cancer treatment is potential gold mine for any pharma company - if there would be any chance to develop it by crunching big pharma would be running already hundreds or thousands super-computers focused on cancer cure.
The truth about crunching is it's used for experimental or unkown purpose, people who crunch get perfect excuse to buy overpriced cpus but nevermind that - at the same time these people are wasting resources using electricity which is produced by burning coal/uranium (which is one of the reason people get actually cancer )
The environment- you don't care so much - is making people sick.You can do crunching,we live in free world - but please don't claim you are doing it for "humanity".You are doing it for yourself and only yourself.
QFT and this cannot be stressed enough. All the nasty carcinogenic pollutants the byproducts of civilization eventually end up in our own bodies.
Check http://www.techpowerup.com/70648/Int...Wide_Open.html
http://www.dvhardware.net/article29763.html
Not really new articles, but should give you the general idea.
Last edited by zalbard; 06-13-2009 at 04:51 AM.
Oh my... I'm not going to continue this discussion (!), hornet has posted a recent study (the one I had in mind, thank you) actually proving the very point: climate change does not compare to cancer, poorness, wars or age-related death. Doesn't change the fact that climate change is an important problem, but it's nowhere close to those ^. Pollution != climate change != most important cause of cancer.
All your examples don't make sense. "Dinos", erm, you mean the big meteorite? The one with the bees is not true. Your speculation about the research is off base: how can you even compare folding to pharmaceutical research? Pharmaceutical companies never do such basic research.
Furthermore, I'm extremely offended and somewhat disgusted by people calling cancer "a joke".
Please refrain from putting words in my mouth I didn't say ("the envinorment you don't care so much"). There's certainly valid criticism of folding/distributed computing, but the way some people approached such an important discussion made them sound ignorant if not also arrogant.
Last edited by Jacky; 06-13-2009 at 10:37 AM.
Thank you really much zalkard
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I honestly hope some suspensions are thrown out in this topic.
A few of you guys (you know who you are) have turned a topic in the NEWS section about 6-CORE NEHALEM into an idiotic rant on the environment. And for what?
Well I know what for, because it's all a big contest to see who is the biggest eco-friendly tree-hugging peace-loving Al Gore-massaging pacifist.
Fantastic, you've proven yourselves to be complete and utter tools, but some of us are less than impressed. So please, keep your political and environmental opinions to yourself, or please check out: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...splay.php?f=75
Politics etc.
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