Six-core Nehalem coming to LGA 1366 this year

[Shintai]

Does anyone think its possible intel will put a strangle on the retail channels of the xeon to keep them out of consumer hands??

No....

[jcool]

Hehe, I have been saving a spot in my budget for Gulftowns for months now - I guess early ES will be out sooner rather than later

To all of you who don't need more cores and are happy with Dualies, fine - just keep out of people's way that are trying to make a difference by crunching.

[Chad Boga]

Friends, Romans, Countrymen, I have not come to praise Phenom, but to bury him

Perkam

How is a high end part going to bury Phenom(which is already dead, I presume you mean PhII)?

Intel will do far more damage to AMD with Lynnfield and non-Hex 32nm variants.

[perkam]

How is a high end part going to bury Phenom(which is already dead, I presume you mean PhII)?

Intel will do far more damage to AMD with Lynnfield and non-Hex 32nm variants.

Fixed in the original quote

Perkam

[[XC] gomeler]

Ugh. Buy a 975 now and have it obsolete by Christmas. This hobby is getting to be too expensive

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

sell 975 at Christmas and get new EE for 200-300 dollars more investment....

[TheKarmakazi]

How many cores will vantage scale with?

[perkam]

Ugh. Buy a 975 now and have it obsolete by Christmas. This hobby is getting to be too expensive

If MM hears you say that he'll come get ya

Imagine going from Dual X54 Harpertowns to dual W55 Nehalems and onwards to Dual Gulftown

Perkam

[Jacky]

It will be funny to see on many benchmarks(particularly gaming) this 6 core won't be any faster than the i975, let alone the Quad they could have brought out instead.

Are you aware that 32nm + turbo mode will give appreciable gains in single/2-threaded applications? It will be definitely quite a bit faster.

[Chad Boga]

Are you aware that 32nm + turbo mode will give appreciable gains in single/2-threaded applications? It will be definitely quite a bit faster.

I wasn't thinking of Turbo mode at the time, but you will notice but 3 posts later in this thread I brought it up.

However what is a Hex core Westmere likely to come out at? I suspect 3Ghz give or take 133Mhz, so unless the Turbo mode is even more aggressive than Lynnefield(and I suspect it won't be), then you still are not going to see much if any gain.

Clearly a higher clocked Westmere Quad would deliver notably better performance for 90%+ of desktop users, but I guess this is a server/workstation product, so desktop users can eat shat for now.

[Movieman]

Gulftown exists..

[zalbard]

Wonder if it's going to offer much higher overclocks, since it's 32nm after all.
6 cores under 100% load produce roughly 50% more heat than 4 cores (obviously), so doesn't look like these chips are going to produce less heat. And i7 requires very serious cooling already. Not much point to get more than 2 cores for an average user / gamer nowadays. Going over 4 is nearly pointless...

Once I started crunching and photo editing, things changed.

Not using Photoshop CS4 I guess? GPU acceleration is really sweet. Probably gives bigger benefit than additional cores.

[kl0012]

Wonder if it's going to offer much higher overclocks, since it's 32nm after all.
6 cores under 100% load produce roughly 50% more heat than 4 cores (obviously), so doesn't look like these chips are going to produce less heat. And i7 requires very serious cooling already. Not much point to get more than 2 cores for an average user / gamer nowadays. Going over 4 is nearly pointless...

50% more cores doesn't mean 50% more power consumption. Number of mem/CSI channels was not increased and uncore is about 30% of core size.
Second - 32 nm. should reduce power consumption so it is possible that 6-core 32 nm. Nehalem will consume the same as 4-core 45 nm. Nehalem (or even less).

Not using Photoshop CS4 I guess? GPU acceleration is really sweet. Probably gives bigger benefit than additional cores.

As I know gpu acceleration in CS4 is limited to resize/rotate and some 3D functions.

[orangekiwii]

xeons are also way more expensive then their comparative consumer part... like 3 times as much...

[Zaskar]

When they first come out will they be 45nm or 32nm?

[Movieman]

Wonder if it's going to offer much higher overclocks, since it's 32nm after all.
6 cores under 100% load produce roughly 50% more heat than 4 cores (obviously), so doesn't look like these chips are going to produce less heat. And i7 requires very serious cooling already. Not much point to get more than 2 cores for an average user / gamer nowadays. Going over 4 is nearly pointless...


Not using Photoshop CS4 I guess? GPU acceleration is really sweet. Probably gives bigger benefit than additional cores.

yes, due to 32nm process

When they first come out will they be 45nm or 32nm?

32nm

[zalbard]

Gulftown exists..

Do you have one?

[Helmore]

However what is a Hex core Westmere likely to come out at? I suspect 3Ghz give or take 133Mhz, so unless the Turbo mode is even more aggressive than Lynnefield(and I suspect it won't be), then you still are not going to see much if any gain.

I wouldn't be surprise if Gulftown came at higher clocks than current Bloomfield chips in the same 130 Watt TDP.

xeons are also way more expensive then their comparative consumer part... like 3 times as much...

That's not true, just look at the single socket Xeon version of the Core i7 920, it's only about 10% more expensive at most.

Gulftown exists..

What are you hinting at?

Do you have one?

Was wondering the same thing . I'm sure they already exist, but can Intel mass produce them already?

[Hornet331]

xeons are also way more expensive then their comparative consumer part... like 3 times as much...

UP xeons cost exactly the same as normal desktop versions, maybe a little premium -> i7 920 ~235€, Xeon UP W3320 ~255€ (last week they where the same, guess the low dollar pays of again )

[Donnie27]

xeons are also way more expensive then their comparative consumer part... like 3 times as much...

Xeon w5580 (3.2 GHz) - > $1600;
Xeon x5570 (2.93 GHz) - > $1386;
Xeon x5560 (2.8 GHz) - > $1172;
Xeon x5550 (2.66 GHz) - > $958;
Xeon 5540 (2.53 GHz) - > $744;
Xeon e5530 (2.4 GHz) - > $530;
Xeon e5520 (2.26 GHz) - > $373;
Xeon e5506 (2.13 GHz) - > $266;
Xeon e5504 (2.0 GHz) - > $224;
Xeon e5502 - > $188.

The Last processor, Xeon e5502, have only two cores, and rest include four physical cores. For the single-processor systems will be proposed the following versions :

Xeon w3570 (3.2 GHz) - > $999;
Xeon 3540 (2.93 GHz) - > $562;
Xeon w3520 (2.66 GHz) - > $284.

The only X58's worth their prices LOL!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813182186

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131378

Stays sold out from so many folks buying them!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819117182

In stock.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819117184

Next model up not worth the price for 133MHz more.

[[XC] riptide]

UP xeons cost exactly the same as normal desktop versions, maybe a little premium -> i7 920 ~235€, Xeon UP W3320 ~255€ (last week they where the same, guess the low dollar pays of again )

Is that not a contradiction? Oh and that little premium is ~8%.

[Movieman]

Do you have one?

no, but lets say I'm looking forward to july this year..

[Donnie27]

no, but lets say I'm looking forward to july this year..

Hehehe!

[Helmore]

no, but lets say I'm looking forward to july this year..

Tell us more, you meanie . Will you be seeing an ES by then or what can we expect in July?

[Hornet331]

Is that not a contradiction? Oh and that little premium is ~8%.

no cause last week they where cheaper then 920s.