DFI UT X58-T3EH8 continued - Part 2

[jcool]

Guys,

currently doing a customer build based on the DFI, having some issues with it you may be able to help me with.
HW: i7 920 C0 (running 191x21), 12GB Gskill DDR3-1600 running @ 8x dram, Dual GTX 295's, an X-Fi, 3x Supertalent Ultradrives in Raid 0 (using onboard raid), Zalman 1KW PSU, Vista Ult 64.

In short, I flashed to latest bios 0508, set up the raid, and put in the Win DVD. As soon as setup started the rig would always reboot. I remembered something about issues with the "memory lowgap" setting, and since I got the PCIe pretty well populated I immediately started to tinker with it. Setting lowgap to 3GB (max setting for 0508 bios) the board froze at post, needed a CMOS clear. Next up was 2,5GB which worked, let me install Vista w/o further hassles.

So next I stabilized the CPU (ran 6h prime, LiNX too) to make sure CPU/mobo/ram were stable. Then I fired up 3D06 loop and went away. 2 hours later I came back and found that the rig had crashed and rebooted. I started 3D06 again and after an hour or so, I returned only to find it had done it again.

So, whats up:

1. PSU too weak? I don't think so, my kill a watt read around 700W from the wall at the most, being a 1KW it should take at least 110W from the wall
2. GPUs too hot? Again I don't think so, they are still untouched (stock clocks/cooler) as I like to check all the HW before going on water
3. Mobo too hot? I added a fan earlier, but it passed prime and LinX so I don't think so
4. Something to do with that ing memory lowgap.. again. Should I try a different setting? More/less? Maybe another bios? On 0227 beta I can select up to 3,5GB lowgap

Thanks in advance guys

[eva2000]

jcool, maybe start with 3x2GB first before attempting 6x2GB ram config ?

Improvement on my wprime benching timings

32M @4664Mhz



1024M @4622Mhz

[dj883u2]

New daily use.

[The Water Dog]

Nice dj883, witch batch do you have?

[ci2kla]

Guys I would like to ask if any Online shop have w3520 for sale and will be able to provide shipping to HK? Pretty please

[loonym]

Guys I would like to ask if any Online shop have w3520 for sale and will be able to provide shipping to HK? Pretty please

You could get one from PAo_ReVolt on ebay, he'll ship anywhere.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Intel-Xeon...3%3A1|294%3A50

[PRJ]

I can't get 32MB Superpi to finsh, without program stopped in windows. I am stable in Wprime and games like Crysis Warhead.

Is there a problem with superpi in newer bioses, because its been like this for a while...?

What memmory-test program would be recomended with my 64 Bit system...?

[GNU]

Everybody has tested his oc system with Corsair Rams but no OCZ why?

[Praz]

I can't get 32MB Superpi to finsh, without program stopped in windows.

There are a quite a few users with this problem. DFI is looking into it.

[p2501]

Everybody has tested his oc system with Corsair Rams but no OCZ why?

Checkthe sig of sam_oslo in this very thread and you'll see he's using OCZ animals (clickme).
I'm thinking to setup something very similar to this, W3520 + 1600 OCZ CL7 LV sticks on this board. I think what Eva is doing here is very inspiring!

[PRJ]

There are a quite a few users with this problem. DFI is looking into it.

Thats no good, but happy its not just my setup, have accually made a format C because of this

What memory test program is good to use, previus I've used Memtest in dos/bios, is this still upto date or are there better programs for stability test of the memmory...?

[Sam_oslo]

You could get one from PAo_ReVolt on ebay, he'll ship anywhere.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Intel-Xeon...3%3A1|294%3A50

Is this becoming "rare" aleready?

He says: "BATCH NUMBER IS "3848A352"" with big blocks, and he got a point. I've got the same batch and it can run @4GHZ 1.15v, @4.2GHZ 1.23v (so far), with almost everything else at stock for stable 24/7 use on this MB.

[eva2000]

I can't get 32MB Superpi to finsh, without program stopped in windows. I am stable in Wprime and games like Crysis Warhead.

Is there a problem with superpi in newer bioses, because its been like this for a while...?

What memmory-test program would be recomended with my 64 Bit system...?

Praz says some folks having this issue but some aren't. What symptoms you getting when running 32m pi ? it could just be your settings aren't correct. Which bios also ?

Everybody has tested his oc system with Corsair Rams but no OCZ why?

Probably cause Corsair was first to market - availability could be an issue too. In Australia it's much easier to get hold of Corsair's entire range of models than it is for OCZ or for that matter many other brands.

Checkthe sig of sam_oslo in this very thread and you'll see he's using OCZ animals (clickme).
I'm thinking to setup something very similar to this, W3520 + 1600 OCZ CL7 LV sticks on this board. I think what Eva is doing here is very inspiring!

Yup I got some OCZ Animals form OCZ too - but they'll make their debut on DFI JR X58-T3H6 as the UT X58 rig is busy with other tests right now

Thats no good, but happy its not just my setup, have accually made a format C because of this

What memory test program is good to use, previus I've used Memtest in dos/bios, is this still upto date or are there better programs for stability test of the memmory...?

i still use Memtest86+ (v2.11) for initial tests and figuring out what voltage and settings a cpu/mem pair response to before loading windows. Memtest ain't going to give you the windows 24/7 stability indications but still helps figuring stuff out like what voltages and settings produce less or no errors for a particular config versus another config

Is this becoming "rare" aleready?

He says: "BATCH NUMBER IS "3848A352"" with big blocks, and he got a point. I've got the same batch and it can run @4GHZ 1.15v, @4.2GHZ 1.23v (so far), with almost everything else at stock for stable 24/7 use on this MB.

interesting batch.. what are temps like at those settings ?? tempted to try another W3520 but OZ stock isn't coming for next batch until June 10th heh - hopefully same price drop occurs as has on i7 920/950 in OZ. i7 920 dropped from AUD$425-499 to AUD$370-400 this week. i7 950 dropped from AUD$875-965 to AUD$810-875 Currently, W3520 sits on AUD$480-530 price point heh.

[Sam_oslo]

interesting batch.. what are temps like at those settings ?? tempted to try another W3520 but OZ stock isn't coming for next batch until June 10th heh - hopefully same price drop occurs as has on i7 920/950 in OZ. i7 920 dropped from AUD$425-499 to AUD$370-400 this week. i7 950 dropped from AUD$875-965 to AUD$810-875 Currently, W3520 sits on AUD$480-530 price point heh.

It is both hot and cool (compared to my good old i7 920). It is cooler Clock-for-clock , but it is very hot volt-for-volt.

Temp becomes a big matter on w3520 (at least on this batch), because it can handle much higher BCLK with almost everything else on stock, but it can run pretty hot at high speeds.

My Air-cooling (Prolimatech Megahalems, 2x1200RPM Scythe Slip Stream push/pull) inside a good ventilated case (CoolerMaster Cosmos 1000, 5x120) is giving these max-core-temps under prime-load:

@4.01GHZ(211x19) 1.15v, 68-66-66-63
@4.2GHZ (210x20) 1.23v, 78-76-75-72

I have been playing a few days and it is too early to conclude, but this CPU seams to need no tweaks up to @4.3GHZ on this MB. It seams to need more VVT, IOH (or maybe more?) for prime-stability above @4.3GHZ. I couldn't finish the experiment because of the summer-heat but for now it seams to need 1.28v for @4.3GHZ and 1.296v for @4.4GHZ (with 21x). But unless i find a way around the heat, these speeds will push my air-cooling to its limits, if not over.

[dj883u2]

Nice dj883, witch batch do you have?

3845A935

[Sniper]

I have both 3845A935 and 3848A352. My 45A is very hot, hotter than most 45As, but with a strong uncore (4.2 on air). The 48A clocks higher and with lower temps, but the uncore is very difficult to get over 3.8. Not quite certain, but i think the imc on the 45A is stronger than the 48A.

[eva2000]

3845A935

same batch as my w3520 handles uncore 4663mhz to 4707mhz on air

[PRJ]

[QUOTE=eva2000;3834223]Praz says some folks having this issue but some aren't. What symptoms you getting when running 32m pi ? it could just be your settings aren't correct. Which bios also ?[quote=eva2000;3834223]

I have a windows message that says the program stopped running.

My settings are as shown below in your templete, bios is 5/08 Official Bios.

These settings are initial 1st attemp overclock with new motherboard and are two hour "In place large FFTs" Prime stable

Genie BIOS Setting

CPU Feature
Set VR Current Limit Max: Disabled
Thermal Management Control: Disabled
EIST Function: Enabled
CxE Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
Virtualization Technology: Disabled

***** Logical Processor Setting *****
Intel HT Technology: Enabled
Active Processor Cores: All

DRAM Timing
Channel Interleave Setting: AUTO
Rank Interleave Setting: AUTO
Memory LowGap: 1536M

DRAM Command Rate: 1N
CAS Latency Time (tCL): 8
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD): 8
RAS# Precharge (tRP): 8
Precharge Delay (tRAS): 24
REF to ACT Delay (tRFC): AUTO
Write to PRE Delay (tWR): AUTO
Rank Write to Read (tWTR): AUTO
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD): AUTO
Row Cycle Time (tRC): AUTO
Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP): AUTO
Four ACT WIN Time (tFAW): AUTO
Ch1 Round trip latency: AUTO
Ch2 Round trip latency: AUTO
Ch3 Round trip latency: AUTO
tREFI: AUTO

Voltage Setting
O.C. Shut Down Free: Enable O.C.S.D.F
CPU VID Control: 1.3500v
CPU VID Special Add Limit: Enabled
CPU VID Special Add: Auto
Vcore Droop Control: Enabled
DRAM Bus Voltage: 1.650v
DRAM PWM Switch Frequency: Nominal
DRAM PWM Phase Control: 2 Phase Operation
CPU VTT Special Add: AUTO
CPU VTT Voltage: 1.34v
VTT PWM Switch Frequency: Nominal
VTT PWM Phase Control: 2 Phase Operation
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.80v
IOH/ICH 1.1V Voltage: 1.11v
IOH Analog Voltage: 1.10v
ICH 1.5 Voltage: 1.5v
ICH 1.05V Voltage: 1.05v
DIMM 1/2 DQ/DQSTB Bus VREF: -00.0%
DIMM 3/4 DQ/DQSTB Bus VREF: -00.0%
DIMM 5/6 DQ/DQSTB Bus VREF: -00.0%
ADDR/CMD VREF Control: Disabled
x DIMM 1/2 ADDR/CMD Bus VREF: 110
x DIMM 3/4 ADDR/CMD Bus VREF: 110
x DIMM 5/6 ADDR/CMD Bus VREF: 110
CPU QPI Drive Strength: Normal
IOH QPI Drive Strength: Normal

Exit Setup Shut down: Mode 2
O.C. Fail Retry Counter: Enabled
O.C. Fail CMOS Reload: Disabled

PPM Function: Enabled
Turbo Mode Function: Enabled
1 core Max Turbo Ratio: 22x
2 core Max Turbo Ratio: 21x
3 core Max Turbo Ratio: 21x
4 core Max Turbo Ratio: 21x
CPU Non-Turbo Clock Ratio: 20x

* BCLK/UCLK/QPI Controller Settings *
QPI Control Settings: Enabled
QPI Link Fast Mode: Enabled
QPI Frequency: AUTO
CPU Base Clock (BCLK): 200 Mhz
Boot Up CPU Base Clock: AUTO
PCIE Clock: 100 Mhz
DRAM Frequency: 8x
UnCore Frequency: 16x

CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[quote=eva2000;3834223]i still use Memtest86+ (v2.11) for initial tests and figuring out what voltage and settings a cpu/mem pair response to before loading windows. Memtest ain't going to give you the windows 24/7 stability indications but still helps figuring stuff out like what voltages and settings produce less or no errors for a particular config versus another config [quote=eva2000;3834223]

Thanks I'll try that again.

[Sam_oslo]

@PRJ

Just did a fresh test on 5/08 Official Bios to see if it can be a BIOS-issue, but it is running just fine on my setup.



This setting has passed 1 hour small FFT's prime torture test, and the memory is tested with 8 instance of 500MB MemTest 3.8

[dj883u2]

same batch as my w3520 handles uncore 4663mhz to 4707mhz on air

Very good processor!

[PRJ]

@PRJ

Just did a fresh test on 5/08 Official Bios to see if it can be a BIOS-issue, but it is running just fine on my setup.



This setting has passed 1 hour small FFT's prime torture test, and the memory is tested with 8 instance of 500MB MemTest 3.8

Thanks for the check, that rules out bios as a problem.

I'm running 500 MB memtest lets see if that will pass 8 times... ( edit: Is 800% = 8 passes..? )

Your opinion on any changes in my bios templet...?

[Sam_oslo]

Thanks for the check, that rules out bios as a problem.

I'm running 500 MB memtest lets see if that will pass 8 times... ( edit: Is 800% = 8 passes..? )

Your opinion on any changes in my bios templet...?

800% should get the problem out, but I would feel safe already after 100% too.

My CPU would run unstable with too much VVT (it runs more stable with 1.23/1.26v BIOS/Load), and you could try lowering the VVT, but this can be different for each CPU, otherwise your BIOS-settings looks good to me. SuperPI 32m sets almost no load on CPU (20% ?) and this makes me to suspect the RAM and QPI to be the first possible source of this problem, but I'm still using "old" RAM with 6x multi, and this makes your RAM very un-familiar to me.

[PRJ]

It's a very quick memmory test program

I see your point, I'll try lowerring the VVT, but the Elpida IC's they should love higt VVT

Only time will tell

thats even @ 7-7-7-20 1N

[Sam_oslo]

Looks good. If you are running 8 instance av 1830% of this with no error, then your RAM should be able to handle SuperPI 32M too, and you can consider the possibility av RAM-issue eliminated.

EDIT: 8 instance looks like this:


Next you can try to play with VVT-volts, try both lower and higher values, just to eliminate the possibilities.

[PRJ]

I have found that 1.29 VVT gets me the furthest, all 24 loops, but didn't complite calculation and time.



Ohh... i need to memtest again, thats not how i did it, i only had one session open..

**UPDATE**

No luck getting superpi stable with any VVT Voltage, but i did manage 8 sessions of memtest without error...