HWLabs Black Ice GTX 560 reviewed

**mattkosem** · 05-30-2009, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by tool_462

My thoughts exactly.

Pardon me, I meant HWLabs. If only they could have made the end tanks 2mm smaller on each end... I see 602mm of front panel real estate in the Pinnacle with non-precision measuring instruments.

--Matt

**Movieman** · 05-30-2009, 10:45 PM

Naekuh is right and closer to 6 months.
It is a measured 23.81"x6"x2"
It will not fit in any case that I've found EXCEPT the MM new tower( Ascention24? or is it Pinnacle24) and that it will fit in under the top but just and you'd need to have the top custom drilled for it.
I mentioned this to Ben at MM and he says he can do a top for it.
The other is one Darthbeavis mentioned, an acrylic case from Danger Den but I hate acrylic..

When I hit the lottery I'll pick up the MM case and finally be able to use this.

**urgrandpasdog** · 05-30-2009, 11:43 PM

A guy over at OCN had Danger Den custom laser a case for him to hold this rad, its pretty cool. Heres the worklog with pics if anyone's interested.
http://www.overclock.net/case-mod-wo...completed.html

**HESmelaugh** · 05-30-2009, 11:43 PM

Thanks for the comments, everyone.

The way I see it, this radiator is definitely not meant for internal use inside a case. I guess external rads aren't a big thing with you guys?
One thing I mentioned in the conclusion in the german article is that I think HWLabs should include a set of stand-offs so you can mount the rad to a wall or a set of feet so it can safely stand upright or something like that. I guess a radiator this size was made "because we can" more than anything else.

BTW: I measured 15,5 x 5,3 x 60,7 cm, what ever that converts to in inches.

I'm already testing some more "oversized" rads to add to this comparison, so stay tuned.

**HESmelaugh** · 05-31-2009, 12:11 AM

Someone pointed out that I had made a pretty stupid mistake: I had the first two C/W graphs switched...
They are in the correct order now.

**PeterStoba** · 05-31-2009, 12:58 AM

It would have been nice to test it against a monsta or other 140mm fan radiators, nice review though. Some feet would be nice, but if it was external it would ruin the look inside the case.

**Mech0z** · 05-31-2009, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by PeterStoba

It would have been nice to test it against a monsta or other 140mm fan radiators, nice review though. Some feet would be nice, but if it was external it would ruin the look inside the case.

The only issue is there aint really other 140mm rads out there yet, sounds like Thermochill should have one out soonish

Btw do the high FPI have any impact on how the flow is inside the rad (Does the tubing inside have to be smaller?) just wonder why its so restrictive compared to RX, PA and TFC as its almost as thick, I know it aint a problem, but would be nice if it was just a freeflow rad

**HESmelaugh** · 05-31-2009, 03:39 AM

I updated the first post with a data sheet. Please read the note below it as well.

Originally Posted by Mech0z

The only issue is there aint really other 140mm rads out there yet, sounds like Thermochill should have one out soonish

Btw do the high FPI have any impact on how the flow is inside the rad (Does the tubing inside have to be smaller?) just wonder why its so restrictive compared to RX, PA and TFC as its almost as thick, I know it aint a problem, but would be nice if it was just a freeflow rad

More 140-rads coming up soon.

I don't think the tubes in the radiator need to be smaller for higher FPI but it makes sense that they would be. After all, thicker tubes take up more space that then cannot be used for fins.

**orangekiwii** · 05-31-2009, 06:48 AM

I want one of these... but absolutely no room anywhere.... if only it fit in the bottom of the tj07

imagine 2 of these internal :P:

maybe I could make a rad box... although that detracts from the simplicity of just one case for everything

**ibm390s** · 05-31-2009, 06:59 AM

if i remember well, there is a thread started by movieman, regarding how to fit a 560 inside a lian li V2000 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=212025). the solution mentioned there was pretty good imo.

**G-UNIT91** · 05-31-2009, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by HESmelaugh

I updated the first post with a data sheet. Please read the note below it as well.

More 140-rads coming up soon.

I don't think the tubes in the radiator need to be smaller for higher FPI but it makes sense that they would be. After all, thicker tubes take up more space that then cannot be used for fins.

THANKS HES!!!

**silverphoenix** · 05-31-2009, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Mech0z

The only issue is there aint really other 140mm rads out there yet, sounds like Thermochill should have one out soonish

Btw do the high FPI have any impact on how the flow is inside the rad (Does the tubing inside have to be smaller?) just wonder why its so restrictive compared to RX, PA and TFC as its almost as thick, I know it aint a problem, but would be nice if it was just a freeflow rad

they use smaller tubes not because of the FPI but because it reduces laminar flow inside the tubes and I believe the tubes are thinner.

martin illustrates this nicely

**Utnorris** · 05-31-2009, 10:52 AM

How about you take a few of them and slap them together side by side, then use some MB standoffs and attach your MB directly to them. You could then mount the pump and res directly to them on one of the fans and there you go, a new case, no cutting needed.

**[XC] Synthetickiller** · 05-31-2009, 04:51 PM

I'd love to see the rad mounted to the back of this guy:

Seems like it might actually work "fit" properly on the back. Too bad the damn case is $600.

**BringerOdeath** · 05-31-2009, 05:23 PM

I thought the $400 dollars I spent on my case was bad....

**kinghong1970** · 05-31-2009, 05:35 PM

wow... LiLi is also on crack...

**veedubfreak** · 06-01-2009, 06:59 AM

I could see a use for this. Whenever i finally get out of this apartment and into my own house, hopefully it'll have a basement window that i can stuff 2 of these into

**HESmelaugh** · 06-03-2009, 01:04 AM

Corrective Update: I found a tiny rounding error in my spreadsheets and corrected it. I uploaded the new datasheet in the first post. The C/W values have changed but only very marginally. There's no visible difference to the graphs but I just wanted to correct this error for completions' sake.

**~~b@llz0r~~** · 06-03-2009, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by [XC] Synthetickiller

I'd love to see the rad mounted to the back of this guy.

damn I never even thought of that, thanks man

The new Corsair case should fit them

relocate the PSU to the top, strip out the bottom area and mount two of these babies back to back

**alacheesu** · 06-03-2009, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by b@llz0r

The new Corsair case should fit them

Wow, that's a sweet looking case.

**Economist** · 06-03-2009, 04:04 AM

Nice test.

How would the GTX560 compare against the TFC480.

Are we looking at roughly 30-35% better performance based on 1500 rpm fans?

**HESmelaugh** · 06-03-2009, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by alacheesu

Wow, that's a sweet looking case.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by Economist

Nice test.

How would the GTX560 compare against the TFC480.

Are we looking at roughly 30-35% better performance based on 1500 rpm fans?

I have no idea. I don't know if my testing is similar enough to Martin's and accurate enough for a C/W comparison. If I'm not mistaken, he did extensive testing on the TFC 480.
Of course, I'd love to get my hands on a TFC 480 for testing, but so far I have not had any luck trying to get samples from TFC... or even buying one of their rads. No one in Switzerland sells them and someone I tried to get one second hand from conned me.

But I have a nice little surprise coming up soon.

**kinghong1970** · 06-03-2009, 11:48 AM

is there a way or a need to try to "standardize" the tests?
i know you've been doing great work... so has Martinm and Skinnee... just think it would be great to cross-reference with ease, in nub language...

**Economist** · 06-03-2009, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by HESmelaugh

Indeed.

I have no idea. I don't know if my testing is similar enough to Martin's and accurate enough for a C/W comparison. If I'm not mistaken, he did extensive testing on the TFC 480.
Of course, I'd love to get my hands on a TFC 480 for testing, but so far I have not had any luck trying to get samples from TFC... or even buying one of their rads. No one in Switzerland sells them and someone I tried to get one second hand from conned me.

But I have a nice little surprise coming up soon.

No problem.
I can up with the performance gain using Andrea spreadsheet and cross referencing your results. Sort of back of the envelope stuff. But nothing beats real world testing. Look forward to the surprise test.

**orangekiwii** · 06-03-2009, 12:09 PM

does the corsair case fit one of those internally?

that would be damn sexy....

might replace... tj07...

nope never happening until mobos themselves grow out of the tj07

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