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    Arrow Tom's Hardware: ATI Radeon HD 4770 In CrossFire: Unbeatable At $220

    Some things are better in pairs. We we were impressed by the Radeon HD 4770 as a standalone card priced at $109. However, you asked to see how it performed in CrossFire. Well, if we liked the card before, we love it now.
    it seems that AMD has another winner here. makes u kinda wanna reconsider spending an extra $30 on a 4890 don't u think? it wld be interesting to see what rebranded card NVIDIA comes up this time! terrific value-for-money here...

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    CF/SLI configuration - useless.

    Neeext.

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    These cards look fun as hell. Can't wait till someone slaps LN2 pots on them

    Quote Originally Posted by Calmatory View Post
    CF/SLI configuration - useless.

    Neeext.
    Egh.. you can't see past the two cards and see the awesome performance being wrung out of two $100 cards

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    this card makes me wish they built the bigger chips in 40nm sooner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calmatory View Post
    CF/SLI configuration - useless.

    Neeext.
    Seriously man, times have changed CF works great. You kinda remind me of those old farts that refuse to use a computer "I dont need that new fangled crap, Its just a fad I tell ya"
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    4770 X2 would be cool too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler View Post
    These cards look fun as hell. Can't wait till someone slaps LN2 pots on them



    Egh.. you can't see past the two cards and see the awesome performance being wrung out of two $100 cards
    Who cares about the performance when there are issues due to the nature of the CF?

    Some people only care about what their FPS counter tells them, maybe they are happy with the setup.

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    we do need some new reviews going over micro stuttering with low to high end cards of the last and new generations, havnt seen one in months

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calmatory View Post
    Who cares about the performance when there are issues due to the nature of the CF?

    Some people only care about what their FPS counter tells them, maybe they are happy with the setup.
    dont be foolish, how many times do we have to go over it - micro stutter is not a problem under normal gaming circumstances - not even a hint of it on my OCed 4870x2 @ 1920x1200

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicdan View Post
    we do need some new reviews going over micro stuttering with low to high end cards of the last and new generations, havnt seen one in months
    Yeah I was wondering that too. I might consider 4890 CF setup replacing my 285 (I'm on a X38 so no SLI for me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG View Post
    dont be foolish, how many times do we have to go over it - micro stutter is not a problem under normal gaming circumstances - not even a hint of it on my OCed 4870x2 @ 1920x1200
    i dont think that is true, ive seen micro stuttering too and i have a single card. there were rumors that a quad core cpu was causing it.

    theres so much speculation in this that ever individual setup may see it excessively or never depending on the one or two differences.

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    weve all seen micro stuttering, but what im saying is that if you dont push your card to do crysis/FC2 @ 8xaa 1920x1200 ultra high then your not gonna see stuttering. at least in my experience this is true

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG View Post
    weve all seen micro stuttering, but what im saying is that if you dont push your card to do crysis/FC2 @ 8xaa 1920x1200 ultra high then your not gonna see stuttering. at least in my experience this is true
    You might be right, as one bud told me, he didn't see it (ms) until he moved to a 24" monitor 1920 X 1200. I've never seen it at 1600 X 1050. I kind of hate it when folks who's not seen it claim it doesn't happen. Yet, next time I upgrade a 4850, I'll keep it for some crossfire action of my own LOL!
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    I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
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    there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
    qft!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr- View Post
    it seems that AMD has another winner here. makes u kinda wanna reconsider spending an extra $30 on a 4890 don't u think? it wld be interesting to see what rebranded card NVIDIA comes up this time! terrific value-for-money here...
    thanks for the link!

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    i wouldnt feel comfortable with just 512mb...
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    you know how I know microstuttering has been blown out of proportion?

    When people with single cards see it

    I bey most people would never have seen it until people started reading about. Then magically any frame that seems incorrect is microstrutering when it could be countless other factors

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    Nice.

    Bleh @ mS whiners, we i play a game i concentrate on the game itself, not in the imaginary impercerptible microsecond of delay that is nothing more than subjective these days
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    I run two 4670's in CF and get no microstuttering there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calmatory View Post
    Who cares about the performance when there are issues due to the nature of the CF?

    Some people only care about what their FPS counter tells them, maybe they are happy with the setup.
    You are stuck in 2007. CF and CFX have advanced considerably

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicdan View Post
    i dont think that is true, ive seen micro stuttering too and i have a single card. there were rumors that a quad core cpu was causing it.

    theres so much speculation in this that ever individual setup may see it excessively or never depending on the one or two differences.
    No.

    That's not microstuttering.

    That's just your card not being able to keep up.

    There's a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cegras View Post
    No.

    That's not microstuttering.

    That's just your card not being able to keep up.

    There's a difference.
    Where's the link to that MicroStutter video some one made?
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    there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
    qft!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie27 View Post
    Where's the link to that MicroStutter video some one made?
    When was that link dated, eehmmm..?

    If you guys don't like the fact that you can get that kind of performance with $220 then don't buy it. Damn. How many of you who go on about this micro stuttering crap have actually seen it in person? Much less, have you even recently tried it? I had the chance to use two 4850s in CF and I didn't see any damned stuttering.

    If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie27 View Post
    You might be right, as one bud told me, he didn't see it (ms) until he moved to a 24" monitor 1920 X 1200. I've never seen it at 1600 X 1050. I kind of hate it when folks who's not seen it claim it doesn't happen. Yet, next time I upgrade a 4850, I'll keep it for some crossfire action of my own LOL!
    That's too bad cause the only reason I'd be willing to spend money on 2 ATI cards is the fact that I can play my games 1920x1200 with max AA+AAF. Why else anyone wanna deal with the expenses, heat and the CF driver issues?

    Also, from what you are telling, your friend's system seems to having hard time keeping up with the performance level. I don't think what you describe here is a micro suttering issue. Micro suttering should be apparent regardless of the resolution (somebody correct me if I'm wrong).

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    The issue really has gone out of proportion these days. These days, we've got people crying ms over things like tearing, choppy framerates, which are entirely different issues.

    That said, ms isn't the only kind of grief multi-GPU solutions are able to provide, and some of us have genuinely had bad experiences in the past with it. If the companies want us to buy more than one card, it's up to them to make sure the experience is good the first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MpG View Post
    The issue really has gone out of proportion these days. These days, we've got people crying ms over things like tearing, choppy framerates, which are entirely different issues.

    That said, ms isn't the only kind of grief multi-GPU solutions are able to provide, and some of us have genuinely had bad experiences in the past with it. If the companies want us to buy more than one card, it's up to them to make sure the experience is good the first time.
    This is technology, not home design. If want to live on the bleeding edge of consumer gear, your wallet and your patience is going to bleed. Very few things are "good" first time around. I can agree that they should work more on providing a good experience initially, but that's not really a business option, except for the largest of the large. If all technology was perfected before consumers could get their hands on it, odds are we'd be running Radeon 7500s and GeForce 2s. In short, it's a lot more cost effective to release products before they're 100% done, as then you can troubleshoot the issues as they happen. When a programmer writes a code to the best of their abilities, odds are heavily against it being bug-free.

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