best i7 block?

[Hondacity]

Doesn't the HK 3.0 outperform the 350 on i7 as well? I'm pretty sure there was a review that showed that.

this?

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...d.php?t=590183

go ahead read his review...its very entertaining...oh yeah believe that its true....

[shazza]

k350 mounts better

oh no..you remind me of the 20+ mounts that day i got the hk3... my thumb feel sore now...

hmmmnnn ... I have a 350 sitting here, but it looks a little more difficult to mount. Will try it next time I tear my system down.


Sorry bout those sore thumbs, but we do appreciate the testing you do

[HESmelaugh]

Anyone who says X brand block is the best and all trail X brand block is talking through their exhaust catalytic convertor. The single biggest influencing factor for all of you is how a block looks, and most of you don't even have the gumption to admit that. The tests are more often than not driven by preconceived notions and agenda strewn.

Care to elaborate?
How exactly do preconcieved notions influence test-results in your opinion?

[Hondacity]

hmmmnnn ... I have a 350 sitting here, but it looks a little more difficult to mount. Will try it next time I tear my system down.


Sorry bout those sore thumbs, but we do appreciate the testing you do

wait till you see my triple sli and k350 in one loop, with one pump and one rad..and ultra silent

i hate photobucket..i cant upload the good stuff...anyways this just finished today

[IanY]

Care to elaborate?
How exactly do preconcieved notions influence test-results in your opinion?

I'll pass on that for now. It'll open another one of those needless pandora boxes that lead to nothing good. I'll go on my merry way, but exercising my perrogative to disagree and disregard.

[breathemetal]

wait till you see my triple sli and k350 in one loop, with one pump and one rad..and ultra silent

i hate photobucket..i cant upload the good stuff...anyways this just finished today

cant wait to see that

[sokzzN1]

watercool HK ftw !

[gabe]

this?

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...d.php?t=590183

go ahead read his review...its very entertaining...oh yeah believe that its true....

I find it interesting that this user report of AC350 vs HK3.0 is showing a similar trend to my own test results. I also find it interesting that your stance then is to try to discredit this report by laughing, just like your stance in an earlier post (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&postcount=15) about the GTZ was to discredit my own test results by stating that people “liked” my review ROTFL

As to mounting the AC350 better than the GTZ, give me a break. No spring tension limiter?

Performance wise, there are 3 top blocks on the market today, the HK, the GTZ and the Supreme. From their respective C/W vs flow rate curves (see Hemeslaugh excellent work on these curves), we can see that the GTZ tends to favor high flow rates (US market), whereas the other two blocks favor low flow rates (European market).

Which one to choose boils down to setup type, cosmetics, price, and ease of use; and I will add that in the grand scheme of things even setup type remains arguable since the differences are so minimal that they do not affect operating conditions (O/C). So we are left with cosmetics, price and convenience. Cosmetics are subjective, and cannot be argued; price is objective and depends on the user wallet; ease of use is objective and this is the element we focused on to benefit the vast majority of users.

[azza21]

Heatkiller 3.0 LT.

[Stealth42o]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ght=350+review (Thanks Hondacity)

Didn't you do an update with the HK and LT in it as well Hondacity? I cannot seem to find it.

[ColonelCain]

Can't seem to find a review of the HK3.0... can anyone link me?

[gabe]

Regarding performance. Top 3 doesn't include the GTZ in HESmelaugh's review. There are better blocks nowadays.

Shane's data is done with 3/8" tubing and relatively lower flow rates than the US. As a result, the relative temps favor flat curved (c/w vs flow rate) water-blocks. Nothing wrong with that, it's perfectly adapted to European loops. In the US, enthusiasts systematically use higher flow systems with 1/2" tubing. Extend the c/w vs flow rate curves to reach the 1.8 (420 lph) to 2 GPM level (480 lph), and you will see that the top 5 blocks are all within 1C of each other. Take all these blocks and test them on another CPU, and all the results will change again because of shape of IHS (diffferent TIM joint).

When there is no more than 1 or 2 C Delta between the top blocks, you can't say that one sucks simply because you don't like the looks of the product or the company that makes them. C/W's of the top blocks are all in asymptotic mode, i.e. they have reached the limits of what can be done with current technology. The differences observed between these blocks reflect not their respective thermal of hydraulic design, since the technologies employed are by and large very similar, but the quality of the mechanical TIM joint.

[Hondacity]

good catch 3/8 and 1/2s are equal in my opinion

there will be two reviews more, Skinnees and leeghold(leegfold?)

i won't assume anything...

oh yeah 1 or 2 c?, sorry i want the BEST

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

well gabe, I think the gtz would benefit from a slightly deeper pin matrix (emphasis on slightly) and a larger pin matrix area (increasing the size of the block SA wise I think because of the design).

Anyway, I love my GTZ, even though its clogged by feser crap right now its flow is higher than a lot of blocks and it has a great design for convenience and looks

[Utnorris]

wait till you see my triple sli and k350 in one loop, with one pump and one rad..and ultra silent

i hate photobucket..i cant upload the good stuff...anyways this just finished today

I hate you.


But seriously that looks like the bomb!! I have actually considered going back to SLI or CF just for looks since my 22" would benefit from it.

As far as blocks go, if you will be running a CPU only loop then any will get the job done, 2-3 degrees is not going to get you an extra 300Mhz out of a chip. If you are doing a CPU/GPU loop then stay away from the restrictive blocks like the Koolance 350, EK Supreme, etc.. If this is your first time water cooling and I hate to say this, go with the GTZ, easy to mount or the D-Tek V2 with the Pro mount. I can't recommend the Enzotech for the I7 (I do own it) because I do not like the 1366 adapter, it will not allow you to remove the chip once the adapter has been installed. I am personally using the Cuplex DI, but I use my own mount using a backplate, some 6-32 screws and thumb nuts with springs to mount the block. It's simple, easy to use and will work with any block except the Enzotech.

[Hondacity]

i know many hate me, me don't care

here's the beauty of parallel loop on the tri-sli....they'll get the temps evenly...unlike 3 gpu's in series, the last one will have the cpu temp plus the other gpu temps.

i'm here to have fun...like it or not

i won't use the gtz, as i said i'll use the k350, flow is sorta overrated in my book.

I hate you.


But seriously that looks like the bomb!! I have actually considered going back to SLI or CF just for looks since my 22" would benefit from it.

As far as blocks go, if you will be running a CPU only loop then any will get the job done, 2-3 degrees is not going to get you an extra 300Mhz out of a chip. If you are doing a CPU/GPU loop then stay away from the restrictive blocks like the Koolance 350, EK Supreme, etc.. If this is your first time water cooling and I hate to say this, go with the GTZ, easy to mount or the D-Tek V2 with the Pro mount. I can't recommend the Enzotech for the I7 (I do own it) because I do not like the 1366 adapter, it will not allow you to remove the chip once the adapter has been installed. I am personally using the Cuplex DI, but I use my own mount using a backplate, some 6-32 screws and thumb nuts with springs to mount the block. It's simple, easy to use and will work with any block except the Enzotech.

[gabe]

good catch 3/8 and 1/2s are equal in my opinion

there will be two reviews more, Skinnees and leeghold(leegfold?)

i won't assume anything...

oh yeah 1 or 2 c?, sorry i want the BEST

You are obviously not understanding my point, so let me clarify: with blocks being within 1 or 2C from each other ranking results will change from one IHS to another (@ same heat load). You can only start yelling for a foul ball if you start seeing 4 to 5C's deltas from any test results for these blocks.

[Utnorris]

I totally agree, I won't use Swiftech if given a choice, this is of course my personnel opinion. I really like those HK's and the way they do SLI or CF. They just look so awesome. And no, I do not hate you, I actually enjoy your honest and objective reviews. You don't say anything "Sucks" as some suggest. You merely point out the pros and cons of what is being tested. Thank you fo all the hard work. Now go build a chiller.

[gabe]

I totally agree, I won't use Swiftech if given a choice, this is of course my personnel opinion. I really like those HK's and the way they do SLI or CF. They just look so awesome. And no, I do not hate you, I actually enjoy your honest and objective reviews. You don't say anything "Sucks" as some suggest. You merely point out the pros and cons of what is being tested. Thank you fo all the hard work. Now go build a chiller.

are you responding to me or Hondacity?

[Utnorris]

Hondacity. We posted at the same time. Although I do not hate you either, just disagree with you on some of the things you have posted.

[gabe]

I totally agree, I won't use Swiftech if given a choice, this is of course my personnel opinion. I really like those HK's and the way they do SLI or CF. They just look so awesome. And no, I do not hate you, I actually enjoy your honest and objective reviews. You don't say anything "Sucks" as some suggest. You merely point out the pros and cons of what is being tested. Thank you fo all the hard work. Now go build a chiller.

Hondacity. We posted at the same time. Although I do not hate you either, just disagree with you on some of the things you have posted.

then you obviously didn't read his post here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&postcount=15

he says: "where did you get that info about the gtz being the best? the gtz sucks..."

so I have to assume that Your "like some suggest" above is directed at me, and as you can see, your comments are misguided.

As to agreeing with me or not, everyone is entitled to their opinion, right or wrong. I will leave the conversation at that, and rejoin my family now. Y'all have a good evening.

[Hondacity]

i did say sucks...lol

utnorris you lied! lol

oh yeah wait for the gt300 512 shaders vs 240shaders ....well thats not facts yet...but that would be awesome
chiller? phase change? ummmmmmmmmmmmmm *****still bios editing my video cards

[Utnorris]

You are correct, I missed that post, so I apologize. However I will standby my point that when he does a review he doesn't slam a block. He might point out the short comings, even emphasize them, but I haven't read one of his reviews where he said block X just plain sucks.

[santiagodraco]

I find it interesting that this user report of AC350 vs HK3.0 is showing a similar trend to my own test results. I also find it interesting that your stance then is to try to discredit this report by laughing, just like your stance in an earlier post (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&postcount=15) about the GTZ was to discredit my own test results by stating that people “liked” my review ROTFL

As to mounting the AC350 better than the GTZ, give me a break. No spring tension limiter?

Performance wise, there are 3 top blocks on the market today, the HK, the GTZ and the Supreme. From their respective C/W vs flow rate curves (see Hemeslaugh excellent work on these curves), we can see that the GTZ tends to favor high flow rates (US market), whereas the other two blocks favor low flow rates (European market).

Which one to choose boils down to setup type, cosmetics, price, and ease of use; and I will add that in the grand scheme of things even setup type remains arguable since the differences are so minimal that they do not affect operating conditions (O/C). So we are left with cosmetics, price and convenience. Cosmetics are subjective, and cannot be argued; price is objective and depends on the user wallet; ease of use is objective and this is the element we focused on to benefit the vast majority of users.

I haven't read the review... can't translate it

But isn't it equally interesting that you would imply that there is a problem with the 350's mounting solution? I and many others have been using this same "design" for years, on a variety of Koolance CPU blocks, and it sure seems pretty damn solid, easy to use and well designed, to me. But hey, I am no expert, I'm just a guy playing with this stuff. Of course that I am consistently able to get great temps out of the first install of the block says something to me.

Additionally, as consistent as posters on this forum seem to think that Koolance is at worst in the top 3, even those who were, in the past, adamantly against Koolance products, makes your post a bit less credible.

Let me put it a different way. It's understandable you would want to defend your product line. And your products are for the most part good. But pretending that the Koolance 350 doesn't even qualify for the top three, or has mounting problems when it doesn't, isn't as effective than if you would simply defend the performance of your product on it's merits alone.

[Utnorris]

Well said.