Donations to XtremeSystems

[Etihtsarom]

Not everyone has a PayPal account, or can afford to get a membership or whatever this site plans to offer. I think the "Members Only" section is useless.

This donation thread is more than enough, IMO. If FUGGER ran out of money, he could always bump this to get our attention again.

Edit: It probably would be nice to see a thread of a list of members who have donated to this site, and they would get a custom color name.

This.^

Plus, it's mostly people like Movieman who takes up all the bandwidth, I mean, look at how many posts he has.

Money sent, not much, but it's V day, she sucked me dry. Thanks for removing the ads.

[Movieman]

This.^

Plus, it's mostly people like Movieman who takes up all the bandwidth, I mean, look at how many posts he has.

Money sent, not much, but it's V day, she sucked me dry. Thanks for removing the ads.

1) Hey, I resemble that remark!
2) Lucky you!

[MikeB12]

I finally had to donate this morning because Dave keeps calling my house at 2AM to remind me and I figure it's cheaper than paying for a call block...

srsly though, I just opened this subforum for the first time in a week and saw the thread this morning. It's usually keep it collapsed from the index.

[MikeB12]

Charles, put a paypal button on the index page... here's how https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...-intro-outside

[Movieman]

I finally had to donate this morning because Dave keeps calling my house at 2AM to remind me and I figure it's cheaper than paying for a call block...

srsly though, I just opened this subforum for the first time in a week and saw the thread this morning. It's usually keep it collapsed from the index.

That is simply not true!
I did not call your house at 2am..


(it was 1:58..get your facts straight!)

[jasonelmore]

Charles, put a paypal button on the index page... here's how https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...-intro-outside

That's his ad space he was talking about trying to sell earlier

Donation sent!

[SiGfever]

I finally had to donate this morning because Dave keeps calling my house at 2AM to remind me and I figure it's cheaper than paying for a call block...

srsly though, I just opened this subforum for the first time in a week and saw the thread this morning. It's usually keep it collapsed from the index.

Not to mention the hearing loss.

[rge]

Happy to donate for a worthy education Could not imagine doing custom cooling/builds and now considering SS, without learning from others on this site first. (my wife alya, the paypal machine, had to send the 50...hadnt used paypal myself, convenient though)

[Mphs]

Use one or two Google AdS to get some money.

[KELL5]

here's an idea, cut down sig sizes and save some bandwidth instead

guys posting "yeah I agree" with a book for a sig ain't helping fuggers pocket

[Movieman]

here's an idea, cut down sig sizes and save some bandwidth instead

guys posting "yeah I agree" with a book for a sig ain't helping fuggers pocket

Yea, I agree..
I just had too.. Blame yourself!
Seriously, I think you pay for not only what you use but for a "potential" use.
From the times I've checked there is usually between 800-1200 people on at any one time.
Most users ever online was 1,491, 01-22-2009 at 04:48 PM.

[twilyth]

OK, one more time, could someone tell me why a membership approach is so repugnant?

I understand a lot of people are minors or students or just not in good financial shape. So if the site were crippled for non-members that would well and truly suck.

But it doesn't have to be like that. Just give members certain privileges that would be nice to have but don't affect the value of the site for everyone else.

Some of these have already been mentioned, but it could be things like a special font color for the user name, the right to edit the avatar title, the right to have an animated avatar or a longer sig (inwhich case the current limits would be pared back for non-members).

You could also create members only sub-forums/fora that don't relate directly to hardware and oc'ing. I can't think of any examples right now (wink, wink) but you get the idea.

[CmB]

OK, one more time, could someone tell me why a membership approach is so repugnant?

I understand a lot of people are minors or students or just not in good financial shape. So if the site were crippled for non-members that would well and truly suck.

But it doesn't have to be like that. Just give members certain privileges that would be nice to have but don't affect the value of the site for everyone else.

Some of these have already been mentioned, but it could be things like a special font color for the user name, the right to edit the avatar title, the right to have an animated avatar or a longer sig (inwhich case the current limits would be pared back for non-members).

You could also create members only sub-forums/fora that don't relate directly to hardware and oc'ing. I can't think of any examples right now (wink, wink) but you get the idea.

Doesn't Hardforum have a premium membership or am I losing it? i think you can post BS and offtopic thread derails and the like...oh wait we have that too. XtremeSpeakFreely forum right?

[Movieman]

OK, one more time, could someone tell me why a membership approach is so repugnant?

I understand a lot of people are minors or students or just not in good financial shape. So if the site were crippled for non-members that would well and truly suck.

But it doesn't have to be like that. Just give members certain privileges that would be nice to have but don't affect the value of the site for everyone else.

Some of these have already been mentioned, but it could be things like a special font color for the user name, the right to edit the avatar title, the right to have an animated avatar or a longer sig (inwhich case the current limits would be pared back for non-members).

You could also create members only sub-forums/fora that don't relate directly to hardware and oc'ing. I can't think of any examples right now (wink, wink) but you get the idea.

I think that creates an eliteism and the last thing that is wanted here.
Everyone should feel equal.
Donations should be because people want to help, not for something that others don't have.
Also I don't think we want to alienate anyone due to financial situation.
The 15 year old kid tinkering with his system today is the sampsa and macci of tomorrow..

[twilyth]

I think that creates an eliteism and the last thing that is wanted here.
Everyone should feel equal.
Donations should be because people want to help, not for something that others don't have.
Also I don't think we want to alienate anyone due to financial situation.
The 15 year old kid tinkering with his system today is the sampsa and macci of tomorrow..

I understand what you're saying, but I honestly don't get the elitism thing. I've been on sites that not only have memberships but different grades of memberships and it never bothered me at all that I didn't have a fancy avatar or whatever. But then I've always been pretty secure with who I am and who I'm not so I may not be in touch what the average person feels.

Also, I don't think it's elitism if you have members only forums as long as they don't relate to the sites primary mission. That would be transparent to everyone - just like for sale section is now. People might find out about them but it wouldn't be something that was in everyone's face.

Asking people to pitch in is fine, but if with over 1000 people on line at any given time the site can't make enough money to break even, then something is wrong and it might be worth exploring possible long-term solutions. JMO.

[CmB]

I understand what you're saying, but I honestly don't get the elitism thing. I've been on sites that not only have memberships but different grades of memberships and it never bothered me at all that I didn't have a fancy avatar or whatever. But then I've always been pretty secure with who I am and who I'm not so I may not be in touch what the average person feels.

Also, I don't think it's elitism if you have members only forums as long as they don't relate to the sites primary mission. That would be transparent to everyone - just like for sale section is now. People might find out about them but it wouldn't be something that was in everyone's face.

Asking people to pitch in is fine, but if with over 1000 people on line at any given time the site can't make enough money to break even, then something is wrong and it might be worth exploring possible long-term solutions. JMO.

I agree, but I wish people would just give what they can, when they can. I'm not just talking about XS, but things in general. Nothing wrong with a perk or so. Depends on FUGGER as he is the owner, yes?

I like this site, I get a lot from it and I don't want it to go away. Therefore I donate. Pure and easy

Want to limit wasted bandwidth? See if you can't somehow talk sense into nonsenical, thread crapping fanboys. I'm not talking about mass censorship, I love a good debate and all, just crack down on the worst offending flamebaiters. Only a thought.

[Movieman]

I understand what you're saying, but I honestly don't get the elitism thing. I've been on sites that not only have memberships but different grades of memberships and it never bothered me at all that I didn't have a fancy avatar or whatever. But then I've always been pretty secure with who I am and who I'm not so I may not be in touch what the average person feels.

Also, I don't think it's elitism if you have members only forums as long as they don't relate to the sites primary mission. That would be transparent to everyone - just like for sale section is now. People might find out about them but it wouldn't be something that was in everyone's face.

Asking people to pitch in is fine, but if with over 1000 people on line at any given time the site can't make enough money to break even, then something is wrong and it might be worth exploring possible long-term solutions. JMO.

Good points but remember, your thoughts are coming from an adult with a good education and a lot of life experience so you see them in a way that perhaps would be missed by a 15-19 year older..
My thinking is that we absolutely make sure that no one thinks that we are tring to push them away no matter what.
We see this a lot alike but our differences may be in OUR backgrounds..
Your is legal, mine is in sales where perception can easily become reality and I tend to look from that perspective.

[twilyth]

Good points but remember, your thoughts are coming from an adult with a good education and a lot of life experience so you see them in a way that perhaps would be missed by a 15-19 year older..
My thinking is that we absolutely make sure that no one thinks that we are tring to push them away no matter what.
We see this a lot alike but our differences may be in OUR backgrounds..
Your is legal, mine is in sales where perception can easily become reality and I tend to look from that perspective.

Point taken.

[KELL5]

Want to limit wasted bandwidth? See if you can't somehow talk sense into nonsenical, thread crapping fanboys. I'm not talking about mass censorship, I love a good debate and all, just crack down on the worst offending flamebaiters. Only a thought.

no no, see this is where you have it wrong. A thread crapper could be virtually anyone that doesn't agree with an OP's idea. Censoring speech is what will drive people away if anything.

However I'd like to bet sigs use more bandwidth on this site than anything else. Take movieman as an example. Everytime he posts anything, his sig is virtually always longer. This would suggest that there is more server space taken up by his sig than all of his posts combined.......all 22k of them. Then there's BROTHER ESAU with his 19 line sig with animated gifs etc. This is but two guys. If you multiply that by 50% of the users of this forum and the result = more bandwidth on this site is for sigs than anything else. If you click on a thread with say 40 posts in it, you can guarentee there is more sig data in there than any relevant content.

At the end of the day, guys running a forum would know this.....and would act on it......not simply put out the begging bowl for donations to help pay for all this wasted bandwidth.

[mike047]

Easy fix for sig issue; display sig only once per page, regardless of number of posts.

[Movieman]

no no, see this is where you have it wrong. A thread crapper could be virtually anyone that doesn't agree with an OP's idea. Censoring speech is what will drive people away if anything.

However I'd like to bet sigs use more bandwidth on this site than anything else. Take movieman as an example. Everytime he posts anything, his sig is virtually always longer. This would suggest that there is more server space taken up by his sig than all of his posts combined.......all 22k of them. Then there's BROTHER ESAU with his 19 line sig with animated gifs etc. This is but two guys. If you multiply that by 50% of the users of this forum and the result = more bandwidth on this site is for sigs than anything else. If you click on a thread with say 40 posts in it, you can guarentee there is more sig data in there than any relevant content.

At the end of the day, guys running a forum would know this.....and would act on it......not simply put out the begging bowl for donations to help pay for all this wasted bandwidth.

I don't often say this but you really pissed me off.
I try to accomplish something with that sig but since it irritates you so much I'll go and work on cutting it down.
Now that isn't what pissed me off. It's your last line.
"not simply put out the begging bowl for donations to help pay for all this wasted bandwidth"
If you had a freaking clue what you were talking about you wouldn't say that.
Bandwidth fees aren't just about what you use but what has to be available for you to use and that "begging bowl" comment was not only uncalled for it was intentional and meant to be demeaning to the guy that owns this site.
Since you don't likie the place or how it's run I'm going to do you a favor so you won't have to put up with all this incompetance... See ya!

[Martijn]

Dave, take it easy. You know you should. Some people just arent't worth it.

[Movieman]

Dave, take it easy. You know you should. Some people just arent't worth it.

That "begging bowl" comment was uncalled for and intended to piss people off.
He got his wish. He really pissed me off and he's gone.
Let him go and piss on another forum and see how they like it.
And so that anyone won't be upset at the size of my sig I'm cutting it down.

[mike047]

In support of Dave I likewise have reduced my sig.

[ibby]

That "begging bowl" comment was uncalled for and intended to piss people off.
He got his wish. He really pissed me off and he's gone.
Let him go and piss on another forum and see how they like it.
And so that anyone won't be upset at the size of my sig I'm cutting it down.

ive never seen you pissed off!

you should have .....



http://ibby.co.uk/xs/:banana::banana...lap%5b1%5d.jpg

In support of Dave I likewise have reduced my sig.

I dont see how thats going to work, its text, its very minimal!

BUT the only other solution is to move the "smilies" or image hosting to another server!

(ie one server where the line is 100mb "unlimited" and it dont need to be a powerful server atall!)