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    Well actually he has one other like that but even bigger in his back pocket so.... What do you think a XT would do at those temps?!
    cool cool cool!

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    i just got here.
    If i was an animal Id be a freezer.

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    Originally posted by captaincascade
    if you want me to cheat (using existing equipment moded (no offense macci) wit a computer evap) i can have -100c tonight.

    i prefer to make my own, makes it all that much more satisfying.


    if it means that much to you let me know, im at my shop right now.
    I don't think it means anything at all to macci aprt from the fact that -100c would be a nice number to get and it's a means to an end.

    You seem to want to be able to get the coldest setup around whereas macci just makes it to get a good 3dmark score and in the meantime accidently pummels you into the dust celcius wise .. so no point going on about how he did it

    cheat ? by using old equipment, you sound like a yank being beaten by a European

    By the way 2 years ago it was -47C in Finland where macci comes from. so he got half way to your temp by just opening the window .. ( joke )

    "i can have -100c tonight"

    Go on then, lets see the money

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    (click the pic for better view)

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    Hmmz, you change the evap ? What was wrong with the old one ? Or is it your new freezer ?

    *edit* i see you have a new freezer and your working on it ;] How long is your heat exchanger ?
    Last edited by berkut; 11-23-2003 at 02:07 PM.

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    the first one will be GPU cooler so I put GPU evap on it
    nothing wrong with the other, its just going to the other cascade.

    heatxchanger is around 10m

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    Hmm, only 4m longer than mine and looks much, MUCH bigger !

    Is that -105C shot made on R23 ?

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    Yup R23 is all I can get.

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    what pressures you got? r23 is at 4 inches hg vacuum at -85c. youd have to be at like 40 inches hg to get that temp. what size compressors are u using?
    If i was an animal Id be a freezer.

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    it has some nice vacuum yes
    2x21cm3 nominal capacity 778W
    heatxhanger hot side at -40C (as seen in the bigger pic)

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    bitting toungue...... physically imposible with what you have....

    your saying you have 40inches hg vacuum?
    If i was an animal Id be a freezer.

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    Captain,

    I want to try about -80 to -100 this weekend on a AMD chip. You got anything rigged up??

    BTW: Nice cooler Macci

    OPP

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    I think I can come up with something
    If i was an animal Id be a freezer.

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    Originally posted by macci
    it has some nice vacuum yes
    2x21cm3 nominal capacity 778W
    heatxhanger hot side at -40C (as seen in the bigger pic)
    What kind of pressures are you running on low stage?Post some pictures of the gauges.I am guessing somewhere around 100psi high side and at least 20" low side.
    Last edited by aenigma; 11-24-2003 at 01:57 AM.

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    Originally posted by captaincascade
    bitting toungue...... physically imposible with what you have....

    your saying you have 40inches hg vacuum?

    im wrong, did some homework. guess its possible?

    wont be long now. the next lightning storm ill get the 1.21 jigawhatts i need to start my machine...
    If i was an animal Id be a freezer.

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    sorry im living in the metric world, how do u convert this " 20" vacuum" to bars or pascals etc??

    edit: ok google helped me a bit (not much)..
    so for instance 23" hq equals to -0.8 bar
    ..so -1bar is like 29" vacuum??
    Last edited by macci; 11-24-2003 at 02:51 AM.

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    http://www.paroscientific.com/convtable.htm

    Inches of Hg x 3386.388 = Pascal

    to hell with u weirdo non-metric ppl!
    Last edited by Ragnarok; 11-24-2003 at 02:53 AM.

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    -105C SST with R23 needs 0.21 bara evap pressure. This is not impossible; my R410A cascade runs at comparable pressures.

    To get -105C on the evap unloaded, we would need at most -107C SST, giving us 0.19 bara pressure. Also possible.

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    Woohoo, I see an expansion tank

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    Originally posted by MickeyMouse
    is the expan. tank to help with high pressure when the setup is off??
    Indeed volume is good, living in the ideal gas world PV = nRT, and since V n and R are fixed in a refrigeration system when ambient T goes up so does P.

    Although my question is, on an expansion tank surely you want the inlet to be at the bottom with the tank ontop (think upside down mapp bottle) as to stop it filling up with oil right?

    ]JR[

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    1 a lil stupic question. How big tanks should be used in systems like Fugger's ?

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    Just an educated guess:

    Fugger's system was at 650psi static pressure. Now, he used a Danfoss SC12 of which I estimate the internal free gas volume at 2500cc. The oil sep does another 1000cc. And then his piping, which I estimate to be 300cc. Together this adds up to 3800cc. Now, reducing the static pressure to 100 psi and following the ideal gas law requires the total volume to be enlarged to 6.5 * 3800cc, so we need 5.5 * 3800cc = 20900cc = 21L = about 5.5 gallons.

    Now, if fugger could reduce high side volume and required liquid before expansion device entrance, the required refrigerant charge would drop fast, and so would expansion tank size.

    This really makes me uncertain whether or not I want a more sophisticated expansion device than a captube on my cascade.

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    Reciever 2.5 in dia x 3 in high, Liquid line is 3/16 in and 4 feet long. And your missing the 2.5 cuft in the condenser. . I have only 14 oz r508 in system...

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    Whats better than having a tripple digit cascade??

    ...having two tripple digit cascades of course


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