Quad Core Round Up: AMD Vs Intel Clock to Clock(deneb vs agena + deneb vs intel)

[OverClocker_gr]

As i had promised here about the clock to clock comparison....

finally here it is...

http://www.hwbox.gr/showthread.php?t=3253

Its in greek(again) but full of charts so its easy to understand what we are saying and whats going on.
Here is a link withgoogle translator

Deneb vs Bloomfield vs Yorkfield vs Kentsfield
225*16.5 __169*22____411*9______411*9

and

Deneb vs agena @ 3.0Ghz deneb with 1800nb clock as it is by default and agena(9950BE) 200*15.

Best wishes for the new year from HwBox team

[Clairvoyant129]

Little slower than Kentsfield clock for clock but overall pretty good. Great review!

[CraptacularOne]

Excellent work there man

[TL1000S]

Many thanks Overclocker_gr.
Great effort.

Deneb looks good.

[ryboto]

power consumption seems kinda high. Strange to me....seems more like the power consumption of Agena. Did you measure the power for Agena systems? Agena must be using a TON of power if these are true.

edit: so it was all at 3.7ghz? I was wondering why the idle power consumption is so high. How much voltage was needed on the Phenom 2 for 3.7ghz?

[Luka_Aveiro]

Kentsfield still looking pretty good

[YukonTrooper]

You're the man, OverClocker_gr! Thank you for all your hard work!

[stangracin2]

i call some bull because there should have been ddr2 on yorkfield or kentsfeild

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

Reconfirms my purchase of my q6600 being epic.

Its just mind blowing that even now, AMD has not caught up to Kentsfield. Good step in the right direction though.

[demonkevy666]

I'm looking at the cinebench 10 score it looks low like the cpu isn't oc at all ?

I don't see a Oc comparison anywhere.... ?
(comparing Hondaguy sine bench with just a Nb bump it's AMD section "AMD Phenom II 920 & 940 Full Review [UPDATED with more tests])

[YukonTrooper]

I'm looking at the cinebench 10 score it looks low like the cpu isn't oc at all ?

Every graph has been updated with all chips at 3.7GHz.

Kentsfield beats out Deneb 95% of the time. Wow. I'm pretty disappointed. Was looking forward to another AMD system, but looks like I'll be dropping a Yorkfield into my current platform.

[vietthanhpro]

As i had promised here about the clock to clock comparison....

finally here it is...

http://www.hwbox.gr/showthread.php?t=3253

Its in greek(again) but full of charts so its easy to understand what we are saying and whats going on.
Here is a link withgoogle translator

Deneb vs Bloomfield vs Yorkfield vs Kentsfield
225*16.5 __169*22____411*9______411*9

and

Deneb vs agena @ 3.0Ghz deneb with 1800nb clock as it is by default and agena(9950BE) 200*15.

Best wishes for the new year from HwBox team

All run at 3.0Ghz !not > 3.6Ghz !

[roofsniper]

Every graph has been updated with all chips at 3.7GHz.

Kentsfield beats out Deneb 95% of the time. Wow. I'm pretty disappointed. Was looking forward to another AMD system, but looks like I'll be dropping a Yorkfield into my current platform.

hmmmm 95%? seems a little large of a number. plus not all q6600s will oc to 3.7 when it appears that is at least an average for deneb.

[T_Flight]

That pretty much confirms what I already knew. A complete slaughter. I hope I'm wrong, but from where I'm sitting I'm seeing the end of AMD, and the beginning of huge price increases and complete market takeover.

They needed to launch a competitive product, and instead launched something that is basically competing with 3 generation old technology. I knew it was bad, but I never would've dreamed they fall even further behind like this with so much at stake.

Man, this has me totally bummed out now. <sigh> Damn, I'm shocked. I am so shocked I suspended in disbelief right now. Man, I've been fired up all day and on top of the world, and I wish I had never seen that. If I thought it would help I'd just buy an ATi card and a CPU just to help, but I can't buy enough of them alone. It's gonna take more than there are of us even. It's gonna take Joe Public too in the Million's to help them out it.

I don't know...I'm rambling becasue I'm beside myself right now wondering how things got this dang bad.

[YukonTrooper]

All run at 3.0Ghz !not > 3.6Ghz !

You can clearly see all chips running at 3.7GHz, followed by Deneb/Agena at 3.0GHZ compared at the bottom of every page.

Stop being a nuisance and posting wasted space.

[demonkevy666]

All run at 3.0Ghz !not > 3.6Ghz !

good I'm not the only one lol, I keep looking for the cpu bench #2 for deneb but I see a one deneb on every screen and only a second one showing higher resolutions....

it's list look this

deneb in green
bloomfeild Ht On blue
bloomfield HT Off sky blue
yorkfeild orange
conroe red

next one is just higher resolution.


the agena vs deneb is there.
that's all I see and I'm pretty show all those scores are stock.

The Stock CPU---- NB/HT@2000

PROOF!!

Hondaguy is on water.

maybe there was a bios issues ??

or AOD loaded it back to stock on him...

[stangracin2]

you cant call that a slaughter considering amd beat the i7 in a few benches and tied it in a few more.

[OverClocker_gr]

All run at 3.0Ghz !not > 3.6Ghz !

good I'm not the only one lol, I keep looking for the cpu bench #2 for deneb but I see a one deneb on every screen and only a second one showing higher resolutions....

it's list look this

deneb in green
bloomfeild Ht On blue
bloomfield HT Off sky blue
yorkfeild orange
conroe red

next one is just higher resolution.


the agena vs deneb is there.
that's all I see and I'm pretty show all those scores are stock.

tell me 2 screenshots that you want from deneb scores @ 3.7ghz(225*16.5 nb clock & ht link @ 2250 to provide to you right now.


Your proof is @ 64bit.
I was running 32bit.
Next time read more careful

[Blaber]

Very good review , but Ill wait for some more reviews.

[roofsniper]

That pretty much confirms what I already knew. A complete slaughter. I hope I'm wrong, but from where I'm sitting I'm seeing the end of AMD, and the beginning of huge price increases and complete market takeover.

They needed to launch a competitive product, and instead launched something that is basically competing with 3 generation old technology. I knew it was bad, but I never would've dreamed they fall even further behind like this with so much at stake.

Man, this has me totally bummed out now. <sigh> Damn, I'm shocked. I am so shocked I suspended in disbelief right now. Man, I've been fired up all day and on top of the world, and I wish I had never seen that. If I thought it would help I'd just buy an ATi card and a CPU just to help, but I can't buy enough of them alone. It's gonna take more than there are of us even. It's gonna take Joe Public too in the Million's to help them out it.

I don't know...I'm rambling becasue I'm beside myself right now wondering how things got this dang bad.

just because someone's product isn't the performance leader doesn't mean they aren't competitive at all. deneb looks good and with some more reviews and different benchmarks it will tell a lot more. the chip looks to have a lot of overclocking headroom as well.

[YukonTrooper]

hmmmm 95%? seems a little large of a number. plus not all q6600s will oc to 3.7 when it appears that is at least an average for deneb.

I didn't calculate it, but it's definitely in the high range. Remember, that's only for these specific benchmarks at 3.7GHz. My comments are reflective of what's seen in this updated review and nothing else.

Anyways, I really hope Deneb can clock at a consistent 4.0GHz+ on air, because that will make a considerable difference in our part of the market, but even so, that only *possibly* edges out Kentsfield. Then you have to take Yorkfield into consideration, which, as far as we can tell, clocks very similar to Deneb. Intel will likely drop prices on Yorkfield once Deneb saturates retail, so it will really make things hard on Deneb, at least by users like me that already have LGA775 and are looking to upgrade.

Hopefully AMD can sign some big server contracts, as I am not looking forward to no competition in the market.

[demonkevy666]

tell me 2 screenshots that you want from deneb scores @ 3.7ghz(225*16.5 nb clock & ht link @ 2250 to provide to you right now.


Your proof is @ 64bit.
I was running 32bit.
Next time read more careful

ok
I did read
it just says "OS: vista ultimate sp1"

no mentioning of 32 bit or 64 bit

no worries I don't use 32 bit

I wonder if any games will be different in 64 bit then.


sidenote most liked bench for me
Generic CPU bench is where it's at it's small simple easy to run and takes it own screen shot

[OverClocker_gr]

ok
I did read
it just says "OS: vista ultimate sp1"

no mentioning of 32 bit or 64 bit

no worries I don't use 32 bit

I wonder if any games will be different in 64 bit then.

Generic CPU bench is where it's at lol

"vista ultimate sp1" is by default the 32bit version.
if i was saying vista ultimate x64 sp1 it will be 64bit.

no there is no difference since none of the 3d game are native 64bit.

Only native 64bit aplications are gaining and phenom ii closes the gap.

And dont stuck always at cinebench.Its just a bench that amd is doing great,nothing more nothing less

[roofsniper]

I didn't calculate it, but it's definitely in the high range. Remember, that's only for these specific benchmarks at 3.7GHz. My comments are reflective of what's seen in this updated review and nothing else.

Anyways, I really hope Deneb can clock at a consistent 4.0GHz+ on air, because that will make a considerable difference in our part of the market, but even so, that only *possibly* edges out Kentsfield. Then you have to take Yorkfield into consideration, which, as far as we can tell, clocks very similar to Deneb. Intel will likely drop prices on Yorkfield once Deneb saturates retail, so it will really make things hard on Deneb, at least by users like me that already have LGA775 and are looking to upgrade.

Hopefully AMD can sign some big server contracts, as I am not looking forward to no competition in the market.

current amd users will have no need to switch unless they feel like they should get i7 and even if the performance of yorkfield and deneb are the same no one will want to upgrade to a dead platform especially when deneb's platform will be cheaper. i don't see deneb coming out and being amazing but i do believe it will increase amd's market share from what it is now.

[accord99]

current amd users will have no need to switch unless they feel like

But then neither will current Intel users have any need to switch to AMD in light of the performance and power usage of Phenom II. And given the last 2.5 years, this favors Intel.

i don't see deneb coming out and being amazing but i do believe it will increase amd's market share from what it is now.

I don't see it doing much more than Agena did. AMD has never done well financially without the performance lead.