120Hz (FPS) LCD Gaming is Near

[rk7p5]

Good for you.. 30 Hz is fine for me since I can get a 300x200 4-bit color LCD for $1.

Just because new tech come out, doesn't mean everyone can afford it. With that said, Enjoy the radiation from your crt

[shiznit93]

Just because new tech come out, doesn't mean everyone can afford it. With that said, Enjoy the radiation from your crt

I guess you don't use a cell phone or a microwave oven...

[rk7p5]

Can't afford a celly, and i don't sit in front of the microwave hours at a time

[shiznit93]

Can't afford a celly, and i don't sit in front of the microwave hours at a time

you think the food that comes out of it isn't contaminated?

[Xope_Poquar]

You should stop believing the teaches of your grandpa, especially when you have access to internet (google, wikipedia, whatever... ). By you theory all games that go beyond 30 FPS should be invisible to or eyes.

The Human eye is able to interpret more the 60 FPS. Read this old article, which is dates since 2002, but obviously much newer then the knowledge you have from your grandpa, which I believe he got it from his grandpa.

PS.I'm not kidding of course (except the part with your grandpa), but if you put it like that, some guys might believe you.

In all seriousness though there isn't a hard limit for frame rate. When we see an object in real life we see seamless motion. The faster the motion the more blurred the object will be. On a display we don't get motion we have still pictures being shot at us. If there is something moving so quickly in real life that it's only in our vision for 1/60th of a second it'll be blurred and indistinguishable. However when a monitor is displaying an object that flies through your FOV for 1/60th of a second your eye may pick up that frame and it will not be blurred because it was a still shot.

In the movies they use the motion blur technique and it drives me crazy. I hate hate hate not being able to focus on movement in a theater. I would love to see true high definition video with no motion blur at 120 frames per second or more, but I can't imagine the data size!

[adamsleath]

i saw a 200 hz sony lcd tv in the shops recently...
1080p
http://www.current.com.au/news/article/KWOSBVZPYR

..and someone will say...they arent real frames...well, tough noodles

[RPGWiZaRD]

With that said, Enjoy the radiation from your crt

Yea I am. Life is too short anyway to miss out on 100Hz+ gaming.

[adamsleath]

i dont have to worry about future monitors as my eyes are being burned out by crt radiation

[rk7p5]

lol, what about desk space? they burn a lot of power also!

[adamsleath]

lol, what about desk space? they burn a lot of power also!

i have a big desk and crts dont use much power (75W from the wall)....and yes radiation from crts is minimal

and i dont take them to lan parties blabla.

[Soulburner]

you think the food that comes out of it isn't contaminated?

It isn't. Microwaves "vibrate" the molecules up to temperature.

Don't take this thread off-topic.

[shiznit93]

It isn't. Microwaves "vibrate" the molecules up to temperature.

Don't take this thread off-topic.

sorry, but one crazy statement deserved another.

[RaZz!]

lol, what about desk space? they burn a lot of power also!

heee, some of the people here are running crossfire or sli (or even quadfire and stuff that needs a 1k watts psu ), so i guess this argument is dismissed

@adamsleath: your crt uses 75w only? according to the manual my fujitsu siemens 19" is supposed to eat as much as 125w. some time ago i measured the consumption and it was around 110w, ughss.

i'm glad my tft only consumes 45w (at least that's what the manual says for max power consumption, unlike the crt i didn't measure it myself).

[Soulburner]

24" BenQ 1920x1200 - 60w says my APC UPS.

[Bo_Fox]

Just because new tech come out, doesn't mean everyone can afford it. With that said, Enjoy the radiation from your crt

Yeah, some radiation but it carries a strict TCO '99 specification, which is vastly better than TCO '95 for radiation levels from CRT monitors. With my overclocking for maximum brightness while maintaining pixel sharpness (tweaking the internal monitor settings via WinDAS), it probably exceeds TCO '99 restrictions anyways!

By the way, do you smoke cigs, drink alcohol, or use regular shampoo/conditioner, or brush your teeth with fluoride rat poison, or use anti-perspirant deodorant, or eat animal meat, or drink tap water, or eat non-organic fruits/vegetables, or eat foods with preservatives? Life's too short and none of us can beat time anyways. 100 years then cancer at 101, woo hoo!

Regardless, my CRT can only do 1920x1200 at 95 Hz at the very most. 90 Hz is about as high as it can go without displaying the "near-limit" qualities like micro-jittering, waviness or horizontal draw effects. 1920x1200 @ 120 Hz .. oh yeah! But wait, will the input lag on LCD's be fixed??? Dell's 3007 had less than 10ms of average input lag but Dell's newer 3008 model now has over 30ms of lag!!! Unbelievable!

[Heretic]

Regardless, my CRT can only do 1920x1200 at 95 Hz at the very most. 90 Hz is about as high as it can go without displaying the "near-limit" qualities like micro-jittering, waviness or horizontal draw effects. 1920x1200 @ 120 Hz .. oh yeah! But wait, will the input lag on LCD's be fixed??? Dell's 3007 had less than 10ms of average input lag but Dell's newer 3008 model now has over 30ms of lag!!! Unbelievable!

They added a scaler in the 3008 iirc, hence the extra lag.

[Blacky]

I'm gonna be angry if an LG W3000H comes out with 120hz Quad DVI input lol...

lol well LG w300H started to drop price about $150 right there, maybe thats a hint :O? jk

[natty]

so when is the first 120hz lcd monitor actually coming out

[RPGWiZaRD]

ViewSonic maybe feb-march, Samsung, march-april I think. Would have thought ViewSonic to launch a bit sooner but it seems to have gotten delayed slightly to that timeframe, that's what their response to one of the major review sites were.

[adamsleath]

also some led ones coming.
put led backlight + 120Hz together and we have a worthy screen
http://gizmodo.com/5028157/samsung-u...bably-worth-it

Samsung's criticially acclaimed LED-backlit flagship LCD just got an overhaul: The all new Series 9 950 will come in 46-inch and 55-inch sizes, 120Hz motion-blur reduction and a whole bunch of eco-friendly attributes, like paint-free "Touch of Color" and absence of mercury and other toxic chemicals. They will range in price from $3,200 to $4,200, but if the reviews of their predecessor are any indicator, this will be one brag-worthy TV. More details and pics below.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/16.htm

LG have recently announced the forthcoming release of a new 24" LED BLU model in their range. The W2486L will reportedly offer a 2ms G2G response time, 1,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, and offers the ability to regulate the backlight automatically. This is a nice feature we recently tested in the NEC 24WMGX3 and proved useful. Hopefully more manufacturers will adopt this feature. It looks as if the screen will be TN Film based, but further details are not known at this time.

The new screen will use LED backlighting and so will presumably offer a colour gamut of >100% of the NTSC space. The screen is greener than other comparable models as LG estimates it consumes 50 percent less power. The monitor has a black, glossy frame and has a depth of just 20 mm. The stand has a small dint at the center which is lit by a diode. In the right side of the frame there is a touch-sensitive on/off switch.

LG Display have showcased a new 27" monitor panel at this years CES 2009 event. The new panel will feature a 1920 x 1080 resolution, but will also incorporate a high refresh 120Hz technology, similar to that already used in LCD TV ranges. There's not really much information about this new panel, it's specs, or how this 120Hz technology will work. Will it be an interpolation technique that we see on LCD TV's or something else? At the moment, only Samsung really make 27" panels, so this could see the arrival of IPS matrices into the 27" monitor market as well. More info as we get it.

[XSAlliN]

also some led ones coming.
put led backlight + 120Hz together and we have a monitor

And what do you have now, a TV-Out solution?

[adamsleath]

look again

lol

[RaZz!]

looking forward to LG's upcomming 120hz tfts as i'm really satisfied with my LG L227WT, that also convinced me to buy my next tft from LG as well

[Soulburner]

looking forward to LG's upcomming 120hz tfts as i'm really satisfied with my LG L227WT, that also convinced me to buy my next tft from LG as well

I'm not. It can have 120Hz and LED backlighting but as long as they promise to put a TN screen in there it is still not as good as my BenQ FP241W.

[metachronos]

also some led ones coming.
put led backlight + 120Hz together and we have a worthy screen
http://gizmodo.com/5028157/samsung-u...bably-worth-it

That TV has been out for months already, and while the panel itself has 120HZ refresh rate, inputs won't accept anything above 60HZ, so it isn't really native.