Foxconn Bloodrage-Quantum Force- -X58- -Retail-

[BenchZowner]

saaya said it would be 1/2" fittings^^
I have 13/19mm tubing here - 11mm wold be way to small to fit.

I just unpacked the rest of the stuff to take the photos for the review and I think I just noticed something weird.
There are two worm drive clamps ( to secure the tubing on the waterblock ) and they seem to be too big for small diameter tubing.
But on the other side I measured the diameter of the fittings and they're not 1/2".

I'll ask Saaya to check it out.

Yeah, I figured that. Wonder how much it will cost extra and when it will be available?

I don't know.
Don't even know if it's compatible with this board.
Gotta ask Saaya as well.

I'll ask him later on as I'd e-mail him anyways with feedback for the board.

[Charles Wirth]

Blood Rage arrived today, I am considering ripping out the 32M for Christmas on it.

[Ozzfest05]

@Bench just go buy some hose clamps for home depot for 30 cents my buddy gets them from work for free I have a ton somewhere

@ FUGGER yes a bloody christmas tear it up man are you going to chuck it on the cascade or LN2 please post pics

[SF3D]

Blood Rage arrived today, I am considering ripping out the 32M for Christmas on it.

With this board and your CPU, that should be easy. Waiting for results!

Memory and CPU is clocking higher than before for me, so that 32M will be fast, if you can get everything working like they should.

[Utnorris]

Review on Hexus puts a release date in January and if my conversions are correct, close to $420 for the board. Also, they state the 3 year warranty starts from the day it is shipped to the distributor, which I find ridiculous ifit is true.

[Touge180SX]

I just unpacked the rest of the stuff to take the photos for the review and I think I just noticed something weird.
There are two worm drive clamps ( to secure the tubing on the waterblock ) and they seem to be too big for small diameter tubing.
But on the other side I measured the diameter of the fittings and they're not 1/2".

I'll ask Saaya to check it out.



I don't know.
Don't even know if it's compatible with this board.
Gotta ask Saaya as well.

I'll ask him later on as I'd e-mail him anyways with feedback for the board.

I emailed Saaya already in regard to the QF Panel. According to the Foxconn website, the QF Panel is made for the Bloodrage but no pictures of it on or release date and prices. I'm just hoping they stick with the red and black theme with the display and not something stupid like the greenish blue you see normally.

[Charles Wirth]

If the multiples play nice, I should upwards of 5.7Ghz for 32M

[chuchnit]

If the multiples play nice, I should upwards of 5.7Ghz for 32M

I'll be waiting with my popcorn.

[bingo13]

If the multiples play nice, I should upwards of 5.7Ghz for 32M

Get the latest BIOS or you will have trouble with 1M.

[SF3D]

If the multiples play nice, I should upwards of 5.7Ghz for 32M

Haha.. Well just use 29x197 settings and you are fine. I had some problems with high multipliers, but it doesn't matter much with my cpu's.

I also want to see how your memory clock on this board. That should be crazy too.

[Der_KHAN]

It's meant to be cheap for an X58.^^
I payed like 250,-€ for my DFI nF4 eXpert when it came out, iirc.

and was it worth it? did it run better than a 160€ SLI-DR?

Why wouldn't High End motherboard cost over 300€. People pay 600€ for a high end VGA and 1200€ for high end CPU. Come on.. that is the old way of thinking.

no it's not! it's the new economy crisis way of thinking

Look at Rampage II *cough* $400 *cough* and yet it has hardware configuration problems -.-

well i don't even blame the board manufacturers. (although asus has been a little shameless over the last years)

i guess the X58 chipset and SLI License make up a great part of the boards price. and on top of that it even comes with a water block and a pot. so yeah, considering it's an X58 board, it's not a bad deal. but it's still a hundred bucks more than a decent x48 board which even comes with an onboard memory controller! think about it!

[SAE]

and was it worth it? did it run better than a 160€ SLI-DR? :p

Yep, the optimized layout helped to stabilize ram clocks and to keep heat output low.

[HDCHOPPER]

Blood Rage arrived today, I am considering ripping out the 32M for Christmas on it.

yes ! yes ! in the hands of the master cant wait for your results Fugger

[SF3D]

Here is the pic of my new 24/7 setup. It's not the cleanest setup in the world, but it does what it have to do well

Setup:



Waterblock in use:



24/7 Score for this setup. Not bad for 4870X2:



That's all for now.


There is still people who don't like 3Dmark Vantage, but there is also some who love it (Her favorite test is the CPU test with planes)




I want to thank all sponsors and all my friends in here. Year 2008 was something to remember for sure!

Special thanks to:

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Intel (Thomas)

Other sponsors:
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See you all next year!

[eva2000]

There is still people who don't like 3Dmark Vantage, but there is also some who love it (Her favorite test is the CPU test with planes)

See you all next year![/B]

lol... teaching them young aren't we

Have a safe a happy holiday ! 7 days till 2009

[HuffPCair]

Wow that is an awesome looking board. I wish I could afford the i7 now.

[s002wjh]

regarding the water block, is that a 1/2 inch barb? also i know the block is copper base, but would you its pretty good quality, and did you notice change in temp?

[Meco]

verry nice pictures just loving how some people got the hardware picture taking skills.. gr8 job...

merry x mas and a happy new year to you aswell..

- meco

[Pedalmonkey]

why on earth would you aircool your CPU when ur water cooling ur NB

[filmbot]

why on earth would you aircool your CPU when ur water cooling ur NB

To make you think obv.

As far as i know most i7 are limited by QPI then overall CPU speed, so more cooling on the NB is more effective then on the CPU.

[Touge180SX]

regarding the water block, is that a 1/2 inch barb? also i know the block is copper base, but would you its pretty good quality, and did you notice change in temp?

Yes, the northbridge waterblock is 1/2" barbs and 100% copper.

[HDCHOPPER]

exellent job SF3D !
hahahaha great picture makes my holliday all the better younggins are so cool

[saaya]

Pheew, this is gonna be a long one

that is one great looking board !!! and from what i have seem so far its a killer ram clocker cant wait to see the benchies/ the rest of the review.. good job so far petri

yeah we got the same mem that only booted with 2050 on R2E to boot with 2300 on BR, same settings

im looking forward to the new elpida stuff, those chips seem to clock amazingly high with low vdimm

When will this be avialable to buy?

its available in asia now, but cause of the holidays in the eu and usa it will be available there in early january.

btw, if you guys eally want a board now pm me and i can hook you up to buy the board from a shop/distri here in asia!

Question of interest: what diameter (ID/OD) are those barbs of the nb wb?

1/2" or around 13mm outer and 9mm inner diameter

and the waterblock has a copper base and the top part is bronze.
it looks like copper but its not, it has the same properties as copper though and almost the same galvanic value as copper

Waterblock should be 100% copper from what I read. The barbs have to be 1/2" for me too. I cannot really tell from the pics, but I am afraid those barbs are not removeable...

no, the barbs are not removable, is that a problem?

impressive board! but also an impressive price and no Tri-SLI support

funny you say that without anybody having mentioned a price so far
the price is going to be around 300$/300e and the board does support tri sli, but at least one of the cards needs to be watercooled so they can fit.
There are very few people who run tri sli, and those who do, will run quad sli with dual gtx295 cards anyways
Dual GTX280 cards in sli, yeah baby!

and other than tri sli optimized boards, there will actually be a free slot between both cards so they can actually breathe in some fresh air

its funny how the evga 680i, 790i and x58 use the same kinda "NB" HS + fan and everyone hates it, yet everyone is on the blood rages nuts.

i havent seen anybody go nuts for it yet, and theres quite a difference as on BloodRage its the default option and you can change it, while on 780 780 790 boards you are stuck with this basic heatsink and cant change it

wait so are those NB/PWM coolers interchangeable?

the nb is covered by a copper base, which is connected to the cpu pwm with 2 heatpipes and to the sb with a third heatpipe. so whatever heatsink you put on the chipset, its going to cool the cpu pwm, nb AND sb

with the default config the cpu pwm heatsink actually helps to cool the nb and sb, since the cpu pwm is very efficient and doesnt produce a lot of heat. But when you watercool the nb then the waterblock will effectively cool the cpu pwm, the nb AND the sb

Regarding to the tube size of the water block, will 7/16 materkleer work on it? Sorry I am really bad at math.

whats that?

That worries me this board isn't retail-ready yet.

why?

Regardless, can you update the BIOS from Windows or do you have to boot from a floppy and run a utility?

i always use winflash
you can also use FOXlive update, or awdflash from a usb stick or floppy

Side question: At this point, do you think the Core i7 965 is worth $500 over the Core i7 940?

depends what you want to do... for ln2 you NEED the 965 for the high multipliers... for air and water the 920 is enough id say...

especially since BloodRage has an option for force turbo mode to always on, so you efficiently have the 21 cpu multiplier all the time on the 920

its not cheap it seems ( nor i was thinking it to be ) http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a391326.html

what do you expect? 200euros? :P
BR is 10% cheaper than R2E and almost costs the same as the P6T with way more features!

I have so bad luck with these chips.

what are the max clocks on other boards like P6T R2E compared to what you can get on BR?

As stated before, the Northbridge waterblock is 100% copper with 1/2" barbs. A store here in Japan already had this board but only like 5 of them and by the time I found out they were already sold out. The price on the board here was 27,800 JPY which is about $309 so not bad at all!

http://www.dospara.co.jp/5goods_part...&ic=90044&lf=0

damn, sold out already? sorry to hear that
they ordered way more than 5 for the first batch, so check if maybe they have boards in other braches or in their warehouse!

wojoooo!!!! wow I never thought would be that cheap tho when it comes! saaya said before xmas

yeah, well... the china factory... sigh...
the problem right now is actually christmas, the eu and usa offices and many shops are on vacation until jan 5th, so nothing is moving until then

what's wrong with you guys? 300 bucks for a mb? how's that cheap!?

what the h3ll is wrong with you? at 300$ this is close to the cheapest x58 boards with way way less features, less pcb layers, less robust pwm, less pwm phases etc etc etc
and R2E which has about the same features is @ 400$+

Foxconn has so ty attitude for Finnish market so many people wo´nt be buying their boards around here, no matter how good they are.

But they do´nt need Finnish market as they are aiming for larger selling areas.

huh? whats the matter? can you please stop bashing foxconn?
i dont know what the problem of our nordic sales is, but what does it have to do with this board? im sorry if you can order this board in finland, but just check other shops that ship europe or worldwide, im sure there will be at least one shop carrying it in early january when the vacations are over

Yeah I agree, it happened with 790i Dreadnought so much hype and never was launched...

i keep thinking how funny it is that nobody seems to remember the asus ROG 790i board... that was delayed and delayed and then cancelled as well
and where is the dfi 790i board?
and the gigiabyte 790i board?
and how come msi launched their 790i board only 3 months ago?

the difference is that we cancelled the project and it leaked to the public, while everybody else kept quiet about it...

marketing is way ahead of others, thats why you see so much paper launch

i dont think thats the problem, marketing is on time, the factory is WAY WAY behind.
its just a structure thing, they arent set up to produce boards quickly, they are set up and organized to produce huge amounts of boards continuously, rather than smaller amounts of boards quickly, like what we need for QuantumForce

Touge180SX, yeah i got some pics, ill post them later

I'm afraid that it's not included in the package.
I've got a retail board here, and it wasn't in the package and there's no sign of a space for it, so it's not a mix up from Foxconn's packaging dpt.

yeah OC panel is seperate, its not bundled with BloodRage

ultimate platform for Ci7? R2E (at least mine) is clocking memory like crap. Give me any kit of ram and I can guarantee I can't get more than ~100mhz over the top, nor tighten timings, at any voltage. I've had 2 different types of chips, D9JNL and Elpida, both exhibited the same pathology. I'm about ready to change it out for this board if it can clock ram better.

lets please not bash other boards/makers here

regarding memory overclocking, we hit 2500 suicide with samsung chips with 10 9 9 iirc

saaya said it would be 1/2" fittings^^
I have 13/19mm tubing here - 11mm wold be way to small to fit.

those numbers are from the top of the barbs, the barb walls get way thicker down in a zick zack style.

inner is always 9mm
outter diameter is 11mm at the top and then goes to 13mm, then 11mm again and 13mm again etc

and there are metal screw-rings bundled so clamping down the tubing if its slightly bigger wont be a problem

After looking at the manual the only way that I see to update the BIOS is by using a utility called Fox LiveUpdate. Is this the only way to update the BIOS? My guess is that all Foxconn motherboards use the same utility so has there ever been any problems using this utility to update the BIOS in Windows? So far this is the only concern that I've got.

no, you can use the award winflash tool, which is what im always using

or you use awardflash, just create a bootable usb stick (i posted a guide in the foxconn tweak section here on xs, takes only 2mins) and then put the bios file, awardflash and the autoexec.bat file you get with the bios on the usb stick, boot from usb and the bios gets updated automatically... dont have to type any commands...

or you do the same with a bootable floppy, just put all 3 files on there, boot from the floppy and it updates the bios all by itself

Yeah, I figured that. Wonder how much it will cost extra and when it will be available?

around 50$ retail, and should be available in january

I just unpacked the rest of the stuff to take the photos for the review and I think I just noticed something weird.
There are two worm drive clamps ( to secure the tubing on the waterblock ) and they seem to be too big for small diameter tubing.
But on the other side I measured the diameter of the fittings and they're not 1/2".

I'll ask Saaya to check it out.

im ma bit confused what all the fuzz about the barbs is? they are 1/2" , just not at the top, that way you can push the tubing over it easily. The internal diameter is slightly less than 10mm, which is more than enough to not restrict the flow, and if anybody uses bigger tubing, he can use the fittings to clamp it on the barbs anyways.

The only problem i can see if that tiny tubing wont be able to stretch enough to fit on the barbs, but that would have to be really small tubing... and we didnt think anybody would use small tubing on a high end board...
even then, you can get a step down adapter for 2$ in any DIY shop...

Blood Rage arrived today, I am considering ripping out the 32M for Christmas on it.

sweet! so your having fun clocking mem on it?

Review on Hexus puts a release date in January and if my conversions are correct, close to $420 for the board. Also, they state the 3 year warranty starts from the day it is shipped to the distributor, which I find ridiculous ifit is true.

thats the uk price man, compare it to other uk prices and not rest of europe or even us or asia prices

dont know about the warranty, but to be honest... does it matter?
i never had a problem with a board dying or getting damaged if it ran fine for 3 years. trust me, in 4 or even more years you wouldnt want an x58 board anymore anyways even if you could still get it replaced...

I emailed Saaya already in regard to the QF Panel. According to the Foxconn website, the QF Panel is made for the Bloodrage but no pictures of it on or release date and prices. I'm just hoping they stick with the red and black theme with the display and not something stupid like the greenish blue you see normally.

sorry, its not red... its blue, not greenish blue tho. 1400 pixel blue led display and it looks very nice... i think red would look better, but it was too late to change that, oc panel was originally made for avenger but then, guess what, china delayed everything :P

Get the latest BIOS or you will have trouble with 1M.

are you using an ati vga?
we noticed a very very weird bug, not only on our but on every board... as soon as you use an ati 4000 series vga, driver installed or not, superpi doesnt run stable... plug in an nvidia vga and it works fine...

any ideas? could anybody find a fix?
i googled for it and found more people who found this problem but nobody ever found a fix? but there ARE people who can run superpi stable with ati 4000 series cards, right? there must be...

SF3D, wow, is that the copper TRUE version?
damn, how much better than the normal one is it?
thanks for the pics!

why on earth would you aircool your CPU when ur water cooling ur NB

why watercool the cpu when the TRUE does the same?

the nb temperature is meassured on the back of the IOH!
keep that in mind when you check and compare chipset temperatures

Merry Christmas and a happy new year everybody!!!

[Aerou]

sorry for OT , but holy son of a saaya multipost mayhem ... I would love to sig this
Anyway (prolly not OT ) Merry Xmas too you to and did you remember to give the European Santa enough of Bloodrage? (I mean the motherboard of course )


*I give up ... pls don't quote me ...*

[BenchZowner]

Pheew, this is gonna be a long one

Holy Sweet Jesus

1/2" or around 13mm outer and 9mm inner diameter
those numbers are from the top of the barbs, the barb walls get way thicker down in a zick zack style.
inner is always 9mm
outter diameter is 11mm at the top and then goes to 13mm, then 11mm again and 13mm again etc

and there are metal screw-rings bundled so clamping down the tubing if its slightly bigger wont be a problem

Bold in case some people skip this part

Damn they're so hideous, I didn't realize that when I measured them