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    120 vs. 140 radiator tested!

    As far as I can tell, HWLabs were the first to step the radiator-game up to a format that is designed for 140-mm-fans rather than the 120-mm-fans that have become pretty much the standard by now. Black Ice Stealth GT 140's (and 280's and 420's) were the first radiators I ever saw available in this format. Seeing them, I was immediately intrigued and wondered how much performance gain the step up from 120 to 140 might bring.

    So, naturally, I decided to try it out. Which brings us to...

    120 vs. 140 Radiator-Test



    I got a hold of a Black Ice GT 140 as well as a Black Ice GT 120. These two radiators are very comparable since they have identical fin density, material etc.

    On a side note, I have to mention how beautifully manufactured these radiators are. The finish and overall appearance is just gorgeous.




    Testing Methods: The Basics

    If you've seen any of my previous articles, you'll be familiar with this by now.

    Here's the hardware used in testing:
    - Q6600 Prozessor @ 1.5V
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    - 2x analogue temperature sensors (measuring water temperature)
    - 3x digital temperature sensors, measuring ambient temperature

    To get the temperature results, I load the CPU for 65 minutes using Prime95. The first 45 minutes are just for warm-up. I collect all of the relevant temperatures in 5 second intervals in a log file and average all of the data out for the last 20 minutes of the test run.


    Testing Methods, The more complicated part...

    I don't know if this saying exists in English, but translated directly from German it goes like this: "You can't compare apples and oranges."

    Well, comparing a 120 vs. a 140 radiator is a lot like comparing apples to oranges. Whenever we compare the performance of two components, we try to keep all factors other than that component equal. So, for example, if you want to test one waterblock versus another one, you obviously have to use them on the identical CPU, with identical heat load and testing methods, otherwise the comparison is pointless.

    The problem with the radiators is quite simply that one is made for 120-mm-fans while the other is made for 140-mm-fans.



    Shown above is a fan-adapter that connects the 120 with the 140 format. I got this together with an Aerocool Silver Lightning fan. This adapter allows me to install 120-mm-fans to the 140-mm radiator and vice versa. Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem of comparabilty.

    Here are my thoughts on different options for comparing the two radiators:

    Using an identical fan with identical rpm
    This is the first and most obvious choice. If I were comparing two radiators of the same size, I would, of course, test both of them with the same fan at the same speed. Using the adapter shown above, I could do the same with this comparison.
    Problem: A 120-mm-fan won't cover the entire surface of the larger radiator while a 140-mm-fan will produce more airflow while being more quiet than a 120-mm-fan (i.e. the noise/performance ratio would be unrealistiv for the 120 radiator). Additionally, the fan adapter, while being very flat, will act as a shroud and thus skew the results some more.

    Using a right sized fan for each radiator
    Again, on the face of it, this might seem an obvious choice: Use a 140-mm-fan for the larger radiator and a 120-mm-fan for the smaller one. After all, those are the sizes they were designed for.
    Problem: Ultimately, this would be a comparison of the different fans as much as a comparison of the different radiator sizes. After all, not all fans are equally efficient and the results wouldn't tell us whether one of the radiators simply performs better due to a more effective fan or due to it's size.






    Use fans of the right size and with identical cfm (airflow)
    Theoretically (if I had the required equipment), I could use two different fans and set both to speeds where they produce identical airflow. That way, I could compare the two different radiator's performances with identical amounts of air moving through them.
    Problem: Apart from the fact that I don't have the necessary equipment and the problem of static pressure being another thing to factor in, this testing method would show interesting results that have almost nothing to do with how the radiators are used in practice. After all, many users simply set their fans to the noise level that they want. The fact that 140-mm-fans can potentially move more air while remaining quieter than 120-mm-fans might be one of the great strengths of a 140 radiator (at least among friends of the silent pc).

    Use fans of the right size and adjust them to identical nosie level
    Taking into consideration what I just asserted above, it would make sense to choose two fans and then adjust them to identical noise levels. That would result in a good comparison for silent-enthusiasts, right?
    Problem: Again, this would be a test of the quality of the used fans as much as the different radiators. After all, some fans manage to push lots of air and remain relatively quiet while others can be annoyingly noisy without being effective.


    So, now that I've come to the conclusion that no possible comparison can be absolutely fair in every respect, what the hell do I do?
    Well, I decided that I just have to accept the fact, that no comparison can be flawless. Just like a two-dimensional map of the world can never be free of some kind of distortion and you simply have to use different maps for different purpouses, I will test different options to try and get "the big picture".


    The Fans
    I used four different fans for the testing.

    Two 120-mm-fans: Nanoxia FX-1250 at 1030 rpm and Scyhte Kama FLEX at 1500 rpm.
    And two 140-mm-fans: Yate Loon D14SL-12 at 900 rpm and Sharkoon System Fan Midrange at 1200 rpm.

    I did a test-run with each fan on each radiator. I used the adapter to attach the fans to the radiator of the "wrong size", which looks like this:

    120 fan on 140 rad:


    140 fan on 120 rad:



    Results

    Now let's (finally) get to the results:

    First, the water-temperatures for each radiator-fan combination. All the results are shown as the difference between water and ambient temperature.



    As we can see, the temperatures are significantly lower with the larger radiator in every instance. Considering that I only used a single radiator and the advantag will accumulate with larger radiators (280, 420 etc.), the achieved differences are quite impressive.


    Next, let's take a look at how this affects the CPU-Temperature. Again, the results shown are the CPU minus the ambient temperatures.



    Depending on the used fan, the 140 radiator gains between 0.6 and 2.6 degrees over the 120 radiator. Not bad for a single radiator, methinks.


    Finally, a comparison of the fans of "the right size" for each radiator. I simply grouped them as high rpm and low rpm.
    The results show water- minus ambient temperature.



    This comparison still shows a clear advantage of the 140 radiator, even though the fans used on the smaller radiator were set to higher rpm.


    Conclusion
    In conclusion, I must say that I'm quite surprised at how much of an advantage those extra 20 millimeters of diameter bring about. It's clear that a radiator in the 140-mm format can get you better cooling results at equal or even lower noise levels than you can achieve with a radiator in the 120-mm format.
    At least for silent-enthusiasts, this alone is reason enough to dish out the extra cash for a larger radiator.

    Hope you liked this article. Questions and comments welcome as always!

    Cheers,
    Shane

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    an extra 20mm of diameter? can you add more info on the bigger rad? i thought they only increased the number of pipes...

    excellent review btw

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    Personally, I think the correct size fan should be used on each radiator. Using a 120mm fan on a 140mm radiator almost makes the adapter perform like a shroud and disperse the air a bit more.

    Matching fans such that the cfm matches or maybe cfm/diameter ratio is the same. Not sure on that, but adapters act almost as shrouds in my opinion.

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    A bit off topic but does anyone have any infomation on whether HWLabs will be producing an X-Flow version of the 140 / 280 / 420 radiators.

    I've emailed Willie but heard nothing back in a few days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hondacity View Post
    an extra 20mm of diameter? can you add more info on the bigger rad? i thought they only increased the number of pipes...

    excellent review btw
    Thanks.
    Well, the 140 radiator does have more pipes but its also wider. The size of it corresponds to the extra 20mm of diameter a 140 fan has vs. a 120 fan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polizei View Post
    Personally, I think the correct size fan should be used on each radiator. Using a 120mm fan on a 140mm radiator almost makes the adapter perform like a shroud and disperse the air a bit more.

    Matching fans such that the cfm matches or maybe cfm/diameter ratio is the same. Not sure on that, but adapters act almost as shrouds in my opinion.
    Yes, as I mentioned in the text, the adapter has a shroud-effect. Because the adapter is very flat, the effect will be minimal, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by The-Fox View Post
    IMO the test should reflect real world situations.
    which means using 120mm for a 120mm radiator and using 140mm fan for a 140mm radiator.
    Well, I do. Since I tested every radiator with every fan, it's simply a matter of which bars on the graph you want to compare. ;-)
    Also, the last comparison is just that: 120-mm-fan on 120-mm-rad and 140-mm-fan on 140-mm-rad.

    The fan rpm was chosen so that the airflow seemed to be identical (just subjectively felt, since I don't have any measuring equipment).

    Quote Originally Posted by coolmiester View Post
    A bit off topic but does anyone have any infomation on whether HWLabs will be producing an X-Flow version of the 140 / 280 / 420 radiators.

    I've emailed Willie but heard nothing back in a few days
    I never saw an announcement.

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    Unless the fan was pulling air, the 140 to 120mm adaptor looks like it was installed the other way around.

    IMO the test should reflect real world situations.
    which means using 120mm for a 120mm radiator and using 140mm fan for a 140mm radiator.

    Using Yate Leon 120/140 mm fans is the closest as you can get in terms of similar fans.
    Testing them in same RPM or same noise level would be the wise thing to do.

    Thanks for the test results anyway.

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    Excellent test. I really like that you show the cpu temps. Thats very important because what can the avg watercooler due with just radiator temps.
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    Nice comparison mate. I agree with you on keeping the fans the same. There is no doubt there would be an improvement but no one really had an idea of how much.

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    I have to say it again, and will say it every time I see these things. The finish on these rads is just gorgeous. Pictures do not do them justice. In real life when you hold one in your hand they are stunning. The welds are smooth and clean, and it's a quality piece of hardware in every way.

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    use a 120 fan on the 140 rad!

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    Ive been contemplating 140 BI GTX rads over 120's for my next build. Looks like this is the convincing I needed.
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    8)\ good news hope youre findings translate to the 420 gtx as well , as I have one sitting in front me waiting to find it's way into a cpu loop

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    Does anyone know where to get 120-140mm fan shrouds?

    EDIT: I mean besides purchasing an aerocool fan. The things aren't exactly cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T_Flight View Post
    I have to say it again, and will say it every time I see these things. The finish on these rads is just gorgeous. Pictures do not do them justice. In real life when you hold one in your hand they are stunning. The welds are smooth and clean, and it's a quality piece of hardware in every way.
    I agree. The first time I unpacked a Black Ice, my reaction was simply: Wow!
    Visually, other radiators I've had (Magicool, Aqua Computer, ...) just don't compare.

    Quote Originally Posted by kraygon View Post
    8)\ good news hope youre findings translate to the 420 gtx as well , as I have one sitting in front me waiting to find it's way into a cpu loop

    Kraygon
    I'm sure it does. I'd really like to know how a 280 compares to a 360 or how a 420 compares to a 480. Don't know if I'll ever get the chance to test that, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by CedricFP View Post
    Does anyone know where to get 120-140mm fan shrouds?

    EDIT: I mean besides purchasing an aerocool fan. The things aren't exactly cheap.
    I haven't seen any either. It also seems like the aerocool one isn't sold separately. Why would you want one, though? Plenty of good 140-mm-fans around.

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    I haven't seen any either. It also seems like the aerocool one isn't sold separately. Why would you want one, though? Plenty of good 140-mm-fans around.
    Well it would be for attaching the 140MM rad to a 120MM case hole - I would use a single 140 fan in pull config on the rad itself.

    Case : Shroud : Rad : Fan ---> Air

    But I suppose the shroud isn't necessary. I could just sit the rad on the floor of my case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HESmelaugh View Post
    .......
    Here's the hardware used in testing:
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    - 2x analogue temperature sensors (measuring water temperature)
    - 3x digital temperature sensors, measuring ambient temperature

    Hope you liked this article. Questions and comments welcome as always!

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    HES another good simple testing you've done. keep it up.

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    Thanks, septim!

    @Andrea: The Q6600 is running at 3.33 GHz. Can't kick it further than that (it just barely even handles the 3.3) but I'm told that voltage is what matters for heat load.

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    Good read, mate. Well done.
    I had to search for the thread cause I missed reading it the last time I saw it on page 1...
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    Great test results, thanks for your work.

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    Thanks, guys!

    Yeah, XS isn't the type of forum where threads tend to stay on the first page for very long... ^^

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    Nice job...

    I enjoyed the post.
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    Excellent stuff.

    Most people would have gone "Hmm, I have plenty of fans but I'm sure it'll be enough if I just use this one type for my testing." You went ahead and tried all combinations.

    We should get all of your testing into the testing sticky. I'll PM Ashraf with links to your threads.
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    Nice review. You got the apples to oranges saying pretty much spot on. Only thing I wish was that one of the 120 and one of the 140 mm fans each, was run at the same speed. The closest you can get is comparing the Yate Loon and Nanoxia fan bar graphs since they have the lowest speed differential.

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