I know that is about memory compatibility but I am talking about mechanical compatibility to be sure about how memory compatibility will be. It´s simple, if you have a Am2+ deneb count the pins, if there are 940 pins, that´s all you need to know. It will not work in AM3 boards.
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I believe the above comparison was run at a resolution of 1900x1080. What I can't understand is how the Phenom II runing a dual channel system could possibly beat the i7. Gosh has argued that AMD in general has a leg in bandwidth but his comments caused a thread to be locked down. I don't know what to think ... If the comparison result is true what could possibly account for this?
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doesn't AMD have some kind of hybrid crossfire with the onboard gpu?
so the amd setup has 4870+790gx (i think it's a 3 series chip?)
i didn't really get to this demo so i can't comment. I was too busy with the phase unit they had set up! was able to do 4.7-.8 at 1.45v around -48 , seems these chips will love cold.
a great time was had by all and it was a lot of fun meeting you guys.
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Thanks for all the great Info guys
Im surprised to see by what you guys have said that AMD intends for Phenom II to be a competitor to I7.
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There is only 2 logical explantions for this and the latter being more feasible. Either there is more than just a 10% ipc performance increasement or.......AMD is really pushing the "dragon platform" so when you pair all the required equipment for a platform to meet dragon platform requirements it gets a boost in performance possibly due to optimizations of this specific platform maybe through drivers, bios etc etc.
As far as the am2+ compatibility of phenom 2 in am3 like i said don't shoot the messenger, I had mentioned to a certain someone at the event that it kind of seemed pointless to even make an am2+ variant in the form of an end of life product that would not be compatible with am3 and why not just release am3 chips only if backward compatible, his comment was who said that, i mentioned reading it all over the net, he said it was a rumour and that am2+ phenomII would work fine in am3 however am3 was even more of an improvement over am2+ phenom II.
Me personally I am waiting for am3 and I said as much, we shall see how my choice pays off.
For those interested this is the board that they were using for the intel comparison. All 3 blue banks were populated and bios confirmed triple channel configuration was enabled as well as turbo, hypertreading and oll that other stuff....etc it wasn't handicapped other than being in a board without alot of bling.......
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813121361
It used this cpu.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115200
I also noticed another rumour going around that they were only overclocking one core......its a rumour.
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I tend to think your latter explanation is the reason for Phenom II performance besting i7 in this comparison. I hope so because it is the main reason I chose AMD over Intel. I have been drawn to the AMD integration of CPU, Memory, GPU, and Chipset. If the Bios and GPU drivers are optimized and the CPU + GPU + Memory + Chipset are optimized then you have a compeling answer to the technical superiority of any "one" element in an Intel/nVidia computing solution. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts so to speak.
BTW Chew, I very much appreciate you unbiased reporting of the Boston AMD event, and I regret some of my comments regarding an Intel bias. I see now that you are a truth seeker like most of us here. I apologize for any hard feelings.
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No problem.
I will admit i have a bias towards ati over nvidia though namely because every past nvidia card I have had and my friends have had has died, my 9700, 2 9800's still work to this very day as well as my x1800xt's flashed to pe and my 1900xt flashed to xtx. All have been massively abused. NF4 was the final straw.
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There was no comparison of sli/xfire on either platforms.
If I had to guess the entire platform as a whole with the least bottleneck is going to have the performance advantage In heavliy load quadfire, quad sli applications.
Which that will be I have no clue not really a fan of dual gpu solutions namely due to support issues.
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so will I ever see TRI SLI on phenom II ? since i clocks better.
I haven't ever seen test on it with phenom I in sli or tri sli yet lol
Probably have to get a 780a board .
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131292
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Yeah, that's why i only respect words coming from Blauhung if he can be considered as a sort of unofficial Intel rep around this part. He always stand up and explain stuffs regarding Intel processor and its technicality, but not going overboard by badmouthing competitors, as far as i can see. He doesn't behave embarassingly like a certain person "who" claimed as an Intel employee, acting as a goodwill ambassador to the OCing community in this forum. He made claims he can't back up regarding competitor, spreading FUD along the way, and can't seem to understand what a concept of humility is really.
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