AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

[ryboto]

They kept the HT link somewhat high, maybe that was why they saw cold boot issues. Guess they haven't been reading at XS...

[Halk]

VERY IMPORTANT !!!!!!!!!!!

Excuseme, but this Phenom II that we have seen by IOCEDMYSELF and SOF ....is it a Engineering sample or retail cpu ???????

I suspect someone thinks the world revolves around them.

Why's it so important? Because you want to know?

[Throwed]

Look what THG brought in We Overclock Phenom II to 4.9GHz plus result (SuperPi)

Wow, talk about not RESPECTING NDA!!! I thought the lift wasn't until Friday. I hope AMD takes them off their Elite list and never send then products to review again. Hardcore folks don't visit Toms anyway.

[donitsi]

because if it's a sample can be selected by AMD for overclock and the retail will be lower

OR they are earlier stepping that clock a bit slower than those shipping in January (retail chips)

Could be both

[Throwed]

Did anyone notice Toms claim the Denebs have problems at -70 degrees? IIRC, didn't others run Denebs at -200 Degrees and lower?

[Jazzman]

Did anyone notice Toms claim the Denebs have problems at -70 degrees? IIRC, didn't others run Denebs at -200 Degrees and lower?

Evidence suggests, and AMD recommends, that extreme clocking requires HT at 1000 or lower. Once it is set lower, you can go -180 and beyond. Only a noob reviewer, you know one who does not read XS, would set the HT at 1800 while trying to hit an extreme OC with LN.

[Face]

AMD Phenom II 940 and AMD Phenom II 940 3.80Ghz Benchmarks

http://www.gameware.ir/phenom2/

AMD Phenom II

In these tables Phenom II 940 3800 OC means its has been overclocked from x15 multiplier to x19.
the temp of the CPU was low (avg. 50) with ZALMAN 9700NT fan.
at last you shhould know that we have Mainboard problems!
the best overclocked figure of this CPU is with SB750 South Birdge but because this CPU do not have bios support from any MainBoard corps,
we could'nt overclock it as maximum as it can support!
But the CPU was stable at 4200MHZ with ZALMAN 9700NT fan, unfortunately we could'nt install any OS with the mainboard Biostar Tforce TA790GX A2
and these benchmark that we attached was taken with M3A32-MVP Deluxe in GameWare Labs
we try to overclock this CPU using Biostar, Jetway, DFI to have SB750 South Bridge but each of them have various problems. (most of them had bios problem)

Hmm... Legit?

[Jazzman]

AMD Phenom II 940 and AMD Phenom II 940 3.80Ghz Benchmarks

http://www.gameware.ir/phenom2/



Hmm... Legit?

Well, I have seen stable overclocks posted on XS for Gigabyte, ASUS, and Foxconn. I know my ASUS board bios has been updated for Deneb. And some are preferring it for extreme oc. So....

[Zucker2k]

Well, I have seen stable overclocks posted on XS for Gigabyte, ASUS, and Foxconn. I know my ASUS board bios has been updated for Deneb. And some are preferring it for extreme oc. So....

Well, what do you know; the chip was stable at 4.2Ghz, but they couldn't install an OS? So how did they know it was stable?

[Caveman787]

I like the 35% increase in crysis, 19% increase in Unreal tournament 3 and 39% increase in farcry 2 frame rates but I wonder what settings those were at.

Also wonder how the northbridge speed increase will effect gaming.

[Throwed]

Well, what do you know; the chip was stable at 4.2Ghz, but they couldn't install an OS? So how did they know it was stable?

Good question, but the thing you still have to take into account is that they used AIR and it POSTED at 4.2Ghz. If the CPU post that high and allows the user to go into the BIOS settings without getting a "Black Screen" means you can expect that dropping it to a 3.8-4Ghz will easily allow the system to install an OS. Which IMO is AWESOME from a stock clocked 3Ghz CPU.

Since I have been overclocking I have noticed one factor. If it post at XGhz then dropping it to 200Mhz slower than XGhz usually gives a stable system.

[LowRun]

VERY IMPORTANT !!!!!!!!!!!
Excuseme, but this Phenom II that we have seen by IOCEDMYSELF and SOF ....is it a Engineering sample or retail cpu ???????

Would you please stop being an annoyance and quit using those big fonts and flashy colors every now and then?
Thank you.

[Throwed]

Would you please stop being an annoyance and quit using those big fonts and flashy colors every now and then?
Thank you.

Yeah, I agree. Some people don't seem to get it. The Eng samples usually have Eng Sample listed in the CPU Z screen shot; however, the retail CPU's DON'T. With the slew of overclocked CPU Z screen shots already posted should give this guy a ball park figure of what to expect from the Deneb retail chips. As it stands he's.....

[Face]

AMD Phenom II X4 940 (3GHz) outperforms Intel QX9770 (3.2GHz) in 3Dmark Vantage; lost 9% to core i7

In 3Dmark Vantage, the Phenom II X4 940 (Deneb) running on ASRock AOD790GX/128M with 2GB DDR2-1066 scored P7240. On a core i7 system, the same HD 4850 scored P7766 while on a Intel P45 board ASRock P45XE-WiFiN with QX9770, it scored 7112. Looks like the Phenom II X4 940 (3GHz) is able to outperform the QX9770 in this test whereas Intel Core i7 still outperform the Phenom II X4 3GHz by over 9%.

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showth...597#post441597

[ajaidev]

lo squartatore i dont think that its fake "it may be idk", but if you mean that PhII is not better than a QX9770 that is.

QX9770 may be a very good and expensive monster but as it is i7 920 is cheaper than QX9770 and still outperforms it in every thing. The reason why PhII performs better is that it was suppose to be better clock to clock with Penryn but how good is a quad Penryn vs QX9770 clock to clock in this benchmark???

Also as for the i7 they dont even say which one lets assume they were talking about the 920 that confused me a bit. According to them it scored around P7891 but i was sure that because of the i7's fake cores this score would be more!!!

[G0ldBr1ck]

FAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the sample Deneb C0 was +10% to Agena in Crysis and +8% in Quake wars in clock to clock, with bios and RAM lower.
The ultimate platform must be highter and is not possible that it's better to2-3%, IT's FAKE !


QX9770 vs Deneb 940 better ?
FAKE is not possible.

damn your obnoxious we will know the truth real soon. that wont be the last we hear of that comparison

[QuietIce]

anadtech is pro intel but is not most corrupt .

Evidence suggests, and AMD recommends, that extreme clocking requires HT at 1000 or lower. Once it is set lower, you can go -180 and beyond. Only a noob reviewer, you know one who does not read XS, would set the HT at 1800 while trying to hit an extreme OC with LN.

Anyone with ANY K10 excperience knows you under-clock the HT Link to increase the CPU speed. Intelophile's just don't get it -never have, probably never will ...

[SoF]

Wow, talk about not RESPECTING NDA!!! I thought the lift wasn't until Friday. I hope AMD takes them off their Elite list and never send then products to review again. Hardcore folks don't visit Toms anyway.

QFT! that sucks really - I want to show my screen so that everybody can see that they are nubs...I can do half a second better at same speed
additionally - they use LN2 and 1.7V for that?????? jeez' 1.55V and air is all you need for that

hahaha I do it all on air

exactly!!! (this is an old comment of our greek friend I will never forget... )

[Throwed]

QFT! that sucks really - I want to show my screen so that everybody can see that they are nubs...I can do half a second better at same speed
additionally - they use LN2 and 1.7V for that?????? jeez' 1.55V and air is all you need for that

Well, in three days you can show everyone here at XS how much of a joke Tomshardware is. Hell, many already know this though. Glad to see you respecting the NDA. I am sure it has been difficult with so much attention the Denebs are drawing.



For all the obvious Intel folk trying to defend Intel in a AMD thread/section........
RELAX!!!! Forget the speculation!! Friday, there should be a slew of trusted reviews out.

[Motiv]

QFT! that sucks really - I want to show my screen so that everybody can see that they are nubs...I can do half a second better at same speed
additionally - they use LN2 and 1.7V for that?????? jeez' 1.55V and air is all you need for that

exactly!!! (this is an old comment of our greek friend I will never forget... )

Firday?

[QuietIce]

jaja don't dream !
phenom is lower than Penryn clock to clock.

lower score in vanatge and better score total ???? OCW is not good source and it's not possible.

Penryn? What's a Penryn?? Is that some kind of cold weather aquatic fowl ...???

[SoF]

friday is unsure for me. It is a lot harder than I thought to keep results for oneself, can't wait for the day to end it

[Rammsteiner]

jaja don't dream !
phenom is lower than Penryn clock to clock.

lower score in vanatge and better score total ???? OCW is not good source and it's not possible.

Dude, if I read one more fail troll from you Im certainly stepping up from ROFL'ing here for 2 hours. It was funny, but it's getting highly annoying now

[noki]

But Soft, do you know when the dna is going off??
lo squartatore, intel forum is under this one, I'm sure that there you'll be like at home .

[Jerry Rob]

friday is unsure for me. It is a lot harder than I thought to keep results for oneself, can't wait for the day to end it

You shouldn't stress yourself, it's bad for your health
Why wait till friday?

Anyway, web is getting flooded with all kinds of results (fake or not), might be a good idea to cut to the chase

@lo squartatore (or should i say ripper? ) this is not Intel forum