Am not shocked by the news of AMD´s new cpu. They have been playing underdog for a long time and had all the time to rectify their mistakes. Well am waiting for these cpus to hit the shelfs. God 6.3Ghz for the underdog that has recieved a lot of bashing and the cpu was not cherry picked, got me burning with upgrading fever
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6.3 ghz....
damn, that is really fast, even for a post screen (which i expect, win stable would be too good to be true)
thats like double clock speed than the barcelonas @ launch
how long itll take until someone gets it bench stable @ 6ghz
i guess before 8.1 2009
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more, given that the 65 nm parts managed over 8 ghz
i would place by bet at around 15ghz
system:
Phenom II 920 3.5Ghz @ 1.4v, benchstable @ over 3,6Ghz (didnt test higher)
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sapphire hd4870 1gb @ 820 1020
Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H
8gb a-data 4-4-4-12 800
x-fi xtrememusic
rip 2x 160gb maxtor(now that adds up to 4...)
320gb/250gb/500gb samsung
Here's why I didn't. As I told you, Hornett133 and even LOE;
Coming from anyone but him, I'd take that as a compliment. The other side of cynicism is loyalty and fanaticism.Originally Posted by BE
I have a friend who's under NDA giving me what info he can and that's why I said I believed AMDin the other thread, remember? Doesn't change folks here with grudges uh?
Originally Posted by Movieman
qft!Posted by duploxxx
I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
Posted by gallag
there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
Well, It's not from IBM . It's a paper from the AMD Dresden guys who did
manage to do this. I presume they use the (more or less) standard
reference point of 1V/100nA/um. IBM tends to use 200nA/um
Yes, The very high PMOS current is because of their gate replacement
process. By etching the whole polysilicon gate away they leave a big gap
and all the strain is released on the channel.
Intel's 32nm HKMG numbers are: Intel is 1550/1210 at 1V and 100nA/um Ioff.
http://btbmarketing.com/iedm/release...news_final.doc
There are also some HKMG numbers from IBM/Freescale/AMD
1630μA/µm and 1190μA/µm have been demonstrated at 1V and 200nA/μm off
corrected for 100nA that would be 1570/1160μA/µm or so.
http://www.his.com/~iedm/program/sessions/s27.html
All still R&D papers of course at the moment.
Regards, Hans
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If I were the one at AMD doing a "partial handpick" I'd be testing about 20-30 random chips and make sure to pick something fairly average--not a lemon and not a cherry. Unrelated: What makes a lemon so bad and a cherry so good? I don't like cherries, but I'll eat a lemon anytime.
Particle's First Rule of Online Technical Discussion:
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Rule 1A:
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
Rule 2:
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
Rule 2A:
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Rule 3:
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
I saw this on Guru3D yesterday and couldn't get these forums to load at all.
All I could think was "holy XS must have destroyed itself in the face of such epic news".
Anyways, birthdays in jan aswell. Deneb for meeeeeee!
oooh, exciting.
If they start making really high performance amd boards for this release I might pick one up on release although the intel boards are looking even better then before and they always have looked better then the amd offerings IMO, Ill wait and see
Why would one need "better" board when the current ones can already hit these results?
Top end 790fx costs 170 euros....
That gx tested only costs 120 eyros...
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Yeah, I'd rather keep boards like we have now just with better PWMs. I don't need artwork, I just want a slab of PCB with some PCIe slots on it, some RAM slots, and a CPU socket. I care not what it looks like or how "simple" or "old" the layout is. Style can bite me. Give me an affordable board that can demonstrate good performance any day!
Particle's First Rule of Online Technical Discussion:
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Rule 1A:
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
Rule 2:
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
Rule 2A:
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Rule 3:
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
This will make life easier for the ones that like to support the underdog
Let's hope that AMD prices Deneb like Shangai, that is cheaper then Barcelona.
Im sorry to say, well, sort off, since that post is weird.
Why wouldnt a C2/i7 be able to hit 8Ghz? I mean, I never would have thought P4 couldt hit 8Ghz, but it did. Of course I know the architecture of a P4 is different then C2/i7, but still. I didnt expect in all fairness that i7 would go straight up to 4Ghz without a lot of issues.
Also a CPU-Z validation is worth just as much as a confirmation from multiple sources and people, like Tony and saaya, who should be most of the time unbiased in their expression.
Comparing Tony's post with a religion while your CPU-Z claim tells me that you do not believe it... Although there's been multiple times someone either managed to 'hack' CPU-Z or simply CPU-Z its self made an error. It's a nice program and most of the time it's right, still it ain't anything more reliable than multiple unbiased sources admitting the whole happening.
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Hans,
THanks for the link... this is exactly what I would like to see -- unfortunately, I will need to wait for the proceedings to show up in the library some month or two later -- unless you go to this, in which case you can probably tell us what Ioff they extracted those number from (typically, that is 100 nA/um). The lower drive current in Shangahi is not really a concern, simply depends on the conditions. Typically AMD/IBM report AC Idsat numbers, and it would not surprise me if the chop shop measured it DC.
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What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
-- from "Within My Power" by Forest Witcraft
That is what the abstracts says, and this is what Intel's 45 nm NMOS driver current is from last year's IEDM. It is hard to compare these numbers from this statement, the abstract does not specify voltage, or Ioff. If they did this at 1.4 V and an Ioff = 200 nA/um, for example, then this is siginficantly lower than Intel's work.
One hundred years from now It won't matter
What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
-- from "Within My Power" by Forest Witcraft
I hope you're not fishing at huge heatsinks, fancy colours and putting 'Xtreme' on every part of the board right?
Top end 790FX is 130 Euro's or so. Besides that, 790FX is already enthusiast chipset anyway
Why the need to explain the other side of cynicism? I mean, if he was loyal or whatever, Im sure he wouldnt have an Intel rig You do know what loyalty stands for, right? Also loyalty doesnt have to be a bad thing, but it depends a bit on what subject though
Also Ive this certain issue not to believe certain people most of the time if the majority of their posts contains too much under aged context and wrong intentions. Somehow it makes me think this certain group of people are very unreliable
Maybe more people have this issue. And in all fairness, I dont see why they should change their mind when they meet certain people who fit in this certain group If a plane is considered unreliable, and this airplane compagny says it flew without issues 50Km for the first time in 1 year, I still wouldnt want to be in there.
Disclaimer, I love flying, not a rant about planes
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CPU:
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--CPU: 4200Mhz| Vcore: +120mV| Uncore: 3200Mhz| VTT: +100mV| Turbo: On| HT: Off
---CPU block: EK Supreme Acetal| Radiator: TCF X-Changer 480mm
Motherboard:
-Foxconn Bloodrage P06
--Blck: 200Mhz| QPI: 3600Mhz
Graphics:
-Sapphire Radeon HD 4870X2
--GPU: 750Mhz| GDDR: 900Mhz
RAM:
-3x 2GB Mushkin XP3-12800
--Mhz: 800Mhz| Vdimm: 1.65V| Timings: 7-8-7-20-1T
Storage:
-3Ware 9650SE-2LP RAID controller
--2x Western Digital 74GB Raptor RAID 0
PSU:
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OS:
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ORDERED: Sapphire HD 5970 OC
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