O J Simpson Guilty on all counts !
O J Simpson Guilty on all counts !
I thought it was orange juice
~ Goes to pour a glass of some OJ ~
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/04/...ef=mpstoryview
CNN 10/04/2008
O.J. Simpson guilty of armed robbery, kidnapping
LAS VEGAS, Nevada (CNN) -- Former gridiron great O.J. Simpson was found guilty Friday of all 12 counts in the armed robbery of two sports memorabilia dealers at a Las Vegas, Nevada, casino hotel last year.
The jury reached the verdict 13 years to the day O.J. Simpson was acquitted of two murders.
Simpson, 61, and his co-defendant Clarence "C.J." Stewart, 54, were charged with a dozen offenses stemming from the alleged sports memorabilia heist. Stewart was also found guilty of the same charges as Simpson.
Simpson sat quietly and showed little emotion at the defense table as courtroom clerk Sandra Jeter read the verdicts.
After the verdicts were read, deputies immediately handcuffed Simpson and led him out of the courtroom.
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Carmelita Durio, Simpson's sister, sobbed as he was being escorted out of the courtroom. As spectators left the courtroom, Durio collapsed and paramedics were called, court spokesman Michael Sommermeyer said.
Simpson and Stewart face the possibility of spending the rest of his life in prison for these convictions. Clark County District Judge Jackie Glass set sentencing for December 5.
Simpson arrived at the Clark County Justice Center at around 10:50 p.m. (1:50 a.m. Saturday ET). Simpson told CNN's Ted Rowlands on the phone before the verdict was read that he was "apprehensive."
The jury of nine men and three women, none of them African-American, reached its verdict after 13 hours of deliberations Friday. Jurors heard from 22 witnesses over 12 days of testimony. Chief among the witnesses were seven of the nine people inside Room 1203 of the Palace Station Hotel and Casino for the September 13, 2007 confrontation.
The evidence included testimony from the two dealers, four co-defendants who cut plea deals and cooperated with prosecutors and hours of often-profane, crackling, secretly recorded audiotapes.
Prosecutors alleged that the men, led by Simpson, burst into the room, flashed a gun and threatened memorabilia dealers Bruce Fromong and Al Beardsley.
The men then filled two pillowcases with Simpson trinkets, signed Pete Rose baseballs and Joe Montana lithographs. Simpson's defense attorneys maintained their client was merely trying to retrieve personal photographs and other mementos that belonged to him.
Neither Simpson nor Stewart testified during the trial. Instead, their attorneys savaged the motives of the other witnesses.
Simpson's lawyer, Yale Galanter, said Simpson was a target of investigators from the very beginning. The case "has taken on a life of its own because of Mr. Simpson's involvement," he added.
"Every cooperator, every person who had a gun, every person who had an ulterior motive, every person who signed a book deal, every person who got paid money, the police, the district attorney's office is only interested in one thing: Mr. Simpson," Galanter said.
Stewart was characterized by his lawyer, E. Brent Bryson, as the trial's forgotten player.
The most compelling evidence for all sides came from the audiotapes.
For the prosecution, conversations taped by collectibles middleman Thomas Riccio took jurors from the poolside planning to the profanity-laced hotel room confrontation.
Riccio, a chatty sports memorabilia dealer and convicted felon made the rounds on network news shows immediately after the hotel room fracas. He admitted on the stand that various media outlets paid him $210,000.
The crucial evidence for the defense came from two audiotapes, a voicemail from a key prosecution witness who seemed willing to tailor his testimony for a price and tapes of Las Vegas police officers laughing and joking about Simpson's Los Angeles acquittal following his arrest.
Galanter told jurors the surreptitious recording captured police investigators in the hotel room after the confrontation. "They're making jokes. They're saying things like, 'We're gonna get him,"' he said.
Police were called to the hotel around 8 p.m. on September 13, 2007. Shortly after midnight, detectives visited Simpson at his hotel. He told them he was just trying to recover property that had been stolen from him.
"Why are they not in trouble?" Simpson asked about memorabilia dealers Beardsley and Fromong, according to police reports filed in the case. Both men testified for the prosecution, although Beardsley said Simpson did nothing wrong and was "set up" by the "rat Riccio."
Riccio, who was not charged in the case, testified that he didn't think twice about recording Simpson when asked for help retrieving what Simpson claimed was his property.
All four of the former co-defendants testified for the prosecution. Two of them tied Simpson to guns and threats.
Michael McClinton testified that Simpson instructed him to bring a gun and "look menacing" before they entered the hotel room.
Simpson has told police he had no idea the people with him were armed.
The testimony was laced with innuendo about unsavory activities by several of the witnesses, many with criminal records. Riccio and Beardsley feuded openly, calling each other names and questioning each other's sanity.
Aware that loose cannons on the stand could blow the case into mistrial purgatory, Glass refused to let David Cook testify. Cook, an attorney for the family of Ronald Lyle Goldman, searches for Simpson assets to satisfy the $33.5 million civil judgment against the former NFL star.
Simpson was acquitted of killing his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and Goldman in a trial that ended 13 years to the day before the Las Vegas jury began its deliberations.
Regarding Glass' ruling, Cook told CNN: "If you read between the lines, I think she thought my appearance would bring up the Ghost of Christmas Past."
The case featured 19 male witnesses and just three cameo appearances from women. Swagger and testosterone ran rampant with hard stares from the witness stand.
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As testimony neared its end, Glass, a former television news reporter, vented her frustration with the quibbling lawyers.
"I'm trying to get this trial back on track," she snapped. "I am surprised you haven't seen my head spin and fire come out of my mouth at this point in this trial."
Last edited by MikeB12; 10-03-2008 at 11:45 PM.
Looks like O.J. is Nevada's newest Resident.......Taken immediately into custody and he'll be eating Thanksgiving dinner in his prison cell since sentencing isn't until December 5th. He'll be getting a mandatory 2 year sentence for robbery with a firearm, plus all the other charges. So he better get used to turkey sandwidches on ThanksGiving.
The Laws of Thermodynamics say:
Zeroth Law: "You must play the game."
First Law: "You can't win."
Second Law: "You can't break even."
Third Law: "You can't quit the game."
Do you wanna Play Thermodynamics ????????I forgot "you must"
I don't know what else he was convicted of, but I'm guessing armed robbery is the most serious count. Normally sentences on other charges are served concurrently rather than consecutively. But i would guess that he's not going to get the minimum of 2 years either.
We should start a pool. I'll say 4 years and he's out in 2.5.
Kidnapping can carry a life sentence. Its unlikely that he's going to get a light sentence with his NG plea and "victim" strategy, so he could get 30 and die in prison. He's 54 now.
-SS
13 years to the day, hmm his lucky number 13...
FixedOriginally Posted by ShootStraight
Ya like you said ,it depends it they let them run concurrently or not. The judge shut down the motions for a new trial and bond without thinking,he's not going to get a break from her. I don't know Nevada law,not all states spring you early for Good behavior. I don't think O.J. could behave anyhow. Kidnapping also has a wide sentencing guideline.
We'll have to see what the bookies are giving odds on,I'm sure they are already taking bets.
The Laws of Thermodynamics say:
Zeroth Law: "You must play the game."
First Law: "You can't win."
Second Law: "You can't break even."
Third Law: "You can't quit the game."
Do you wanna Play Thermodynamics ????????
It looks like the kidknapping is the most serious charge with a minimum of 5yrs. But 5 - life and 2- 30 for armed robbery? Damn. Only in nevada would you see that kind of spread.
I hope they at least have sentencing guidelines.
Not that I feel sorry of OJ. I just think it's dangerous to give any human being that kind of discretion.Kidnapping is punishable by five years to life in prison. Armed robbery carries a mandatory sentence of at least two years behind bars, and could bring as much as 30. Sentencing was set for Dec. 5.
They just said on the local news here that he is 61...
Youre right...I coulda swore it said 54(?)...They just said on the local news here that he is 61...
-SS
I dont really see the problem with such discretion. Its the maximums that we'd have to worry about IMO, and I dont think 30 is out of line.It looks like the kidknapping is the most serious charge with a minimum of 5yrs. But 5 - life and 2- 30 for armed robbery? Damn. Only in nevada would you see that kind of spread.
Not that I feel sorry of OJ. I just think it's dangerous to give any human being that kind of discretion.
-SS
You watch what happens next, they will use the race card since it was an all white jury...
Simpson and Stewart were found guilty of all charges they faced:
First degree kidnapping
Armed robbery Assault with a deadly weapon
Coercion with a deadly weapon
Burglary while in possession of a deadly weapon
Conspiracy to commit a crime
kidnapping
robbery
The Laws of Thermodynamics say:
Zeroth Law: "You must play the game."
First Law: "You can't win."
Second Law: "You can't break even."
Third Law: "You can't quit the game."
Do you wanna Play Thermodynamics ????????
Almost like Wall Street, Give CEO's the Discretion to pocket (steal millions) and instead of being jailed they want bailed out (There failing company's reimbursement)
Not that I feel sorry of OJ. I just think it's dangerous to give any human being that kind of discretion.
On a worse note for OJ he will probably go to a security MAX prison to protect him because of his celebrity status.
Vegas is very tough on any robbery ,violent crimes,conspiracy's or gambling crimes as tourist walking the streets need to feel safe,it's their life blood.
The Laws of Thermodynamics say:
Zeroth Law: "You must play the game."
First Law: "You can't win."
Second Law: "You can't break even."
Third Law: "You can't quit the game."
Do you wanna Play Thermodynamics ????????
Reap it oj, reap it
Crap. I was hoping no one would notice the parallels. Actually, I was thinking about giving Paulson wide discretion, but I'm not going to thread crap. No. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.
My only surprise here is his age.
I didn't realize the guy was 61.
Ya he looks a good deal more aged than his more famous appearance in court before.
No worries, he'll get plenty of facials in prison.
He hasn't been sentenced yet. The 13 years is how long ago his murder trial ended in aquittal.
And from what I understand any time a gun is involved is an automatic ten years.
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anyone who knows anything about Nevada......
Knows you don't want to get charged with anything in that State , they will throw the book at him . why ? to send a message to everyone that you don't do that in Nevada , as they have some of the toughtest laws of any state
Las Vegas might be Sin City but don't get caught doing yer sins there as u may never come home agin !
O J has always thought the rules don't apply to him But Nevada was the worst place/state to put that theory to a test ..
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...2CkRAD93K6P7O0
and a little interesting fact:Kidnapping is punishable by five years to life in prison. Armed robbery carries a sentence of at least two years behind bars and could bring as much as 30.
Simpson and Stewart were taken to the Clark County jail, where the football star will live in a 7-by-14-foot cell, far removed from his ranch-style home in the lush Miami suburbs. It will be his home until at least Dec. 5, when he and Stewart are scheduled to be sentenced.
In a city where luck means everything, O.J. Simpson came out the big loser — and his unlucky number in a case full of bizarre twists was 13.
He was convicted of an armed robbery that happened on Sept. 13 and was found guilty on the 13th anniversary of his Los Angeles murder acquittal. The Las Vegas jury deliberated for 13 hours after a 13-day trial.
So True
What happens in Vegas ,Stays in Vegas........including O.J.
The Laws of Thermodynamics say:
Zeroth Law: "You must play the game."
First Law: "You can't win."
Second Law: "You can't break even."
Third Law: "You can't quit the game."
Do you wanna Play Thermodynamics ????????
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