TjMax for all

[naokaji]

Intel doesn't support OC anyway, you can't RMA once you've overclocked....

No company does, atleast not officially, however the effort to prove it is high and they dont want to loose customers, so they often give an rma anyway and as you can see on xs many customers exploit that to the full extent.

[iddqd]

It's fairly difficult to kill a chip with overclocking (at least it used to be until recently), and we're such a miniscule market, that intel doesn't really care about allocating its RMA funds to a handful of xs members who want to abuse it. It's better than having the negative PR of unhappy customers. A lot of xs members have a bit of an influence, too.

[zanzabar]

It's fairly difficult to kill a chip with overclocking (at least it used to be until recently), and we're such a miniscule market, that intel doesn't really care about allocating its RMA funds to a handful of xs members who want to abuse it. It's better than having the negative PR of unhappy customers. A lot of xs members have a bit of an influence, too.

and intel likes when we lap or use extreme cooling since it changes the appearance too, they also like that we now shun AMD when for all intensive purposes if u cant OC they are better for the price (flame suit). in all they just want a dead/almost EOL line to be kept alive so no1 starts complaining when there are no more large cash chips in 6 months


there also may be heat problems with the voltages in the i7 so they dont want u overheating it with bad temp monitoring

[Jacky]

and intel likes when we lap or use extreme cooling since it changes the appearance too, they also like that we now shun AMD when for all intensive purposes if u cant OC they are better for the price (flame suit).

I'm not sure this is true, at least here in Austria. It seems they are close price/performance wise, so maybe you were right and your comment is indeed inflammatory.

[freeloader]

Intel doesn't support OC anyway, you can't RMA once you've overclocked....

Supporting Fugger at events....are you sure Intel doesn't support OC'ing?

[JumpingJack]

and tjmax effects us how ?
nvm im an idiot, some reason i was drawing a blank on tjmax was ... derrr O_o

http://documents.irevues.inist.fr/bi...79/1/TMI23.pdf

Tjmax is used to calculate the actual temperature from the DTS, it is an offset from a 7-bit word from Tjmax. This is accurate for mobile Core Duo and Core 2 Duo chips, since they are designed without an IHS and the Tjmax is specified for those die...

People assumed, since they are the same architecture, same die, that the mobile Tjmax is the same for desktop chips... this may or may not be true. So it will be nice to have the official Tjmax in hand to allow temp sensing programs to report accurate core temps without second guessing the calibration.

Here is a nice explanation of how thermal diodes work: http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm?an_pk=689.

[illidan]

Intel doesn't support OC anyway, you can't RMA once you've overclocked....

yeah and extreme cpu versions with open multy are for what

[Morais]

Earn tons of cash?

[Kai Robinson]

Okay, surely something can't be right with the TjMax being 105*c for the 45nm E7200 - i've got ORTHOS fired up here at 4Ghz @ 1.4375v and it's reporting load temps of 86*c!!! This is with a Tuniq Tower 120, AS5 (Yes its properly seated) and the fans in my P182 on full - my laser thermometer reports the heatsink base at 38*c - what's going on?!

[munim]

well when are we going to get it?

[ExodusC]

Awesome!

Now we can get some true temperature readings.

(Not sure why they didn't do this at launch though...)

[Kai Robinson]

*grumbles*

[philbrown23]

Okay, surely something can't be right with the TjMax being 105*c for the 45nm E7200 - i've got ORTHOS fired up here at 4Ghz @ 1.4375v and it's reporting load temps of 86*c!!! This is with a Tuniq Tower 120, AS5 (Yes its properly seated) and the fans in my P182 on full - my laser thermometer reports the heatsink base at 38*c - what's going on?!

you have to manually set your tjmax to 95 in either coretemp or realtemp the newest core temp reads more properly than realtemp at least imo

[Kai Robinson]

95? hang on, i thought it was 105*c?

[BuBBle.D]

I think its 100c for the 45nm processors.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

I think its 100c for the 45nm processors.

yes this is the current "estimated value" but we will all know for sure soon !

[Hornet331]

yes this is the current "estimated value" but we will all know for sure soon !

intel already gave aways the Tjmax for the 45nm procs, so its no estimation :

45nm Desktop Dual-Core Processors
•Intel®Core™2 Duo processor E8000 and E7000 series 100°C

45 nm Desktop Quad-Core Processors
•Intel®Core™2 Quad processor Q9000 and Q8000 series 100°C
•Intel®Core™2 Extreme processor QX9650 95°C
•Intel®Core™2 Extreme processor QX9770 85°

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

intel already gave aways the Tjmax for the 45nm procs, so its no estimation :

Odd, I wonder what the q9650 really is, considering the QX is 95...but the Q 100C.

[JumpingJack]

intel already gave aways the Tjmax for the 45nm procs, so its no estimation :

Is that Tj or Tcase ?

[ziddey]

www.tjmax.com

www.tjmaxx.com

[Hornet331]

Is that Tj or Tcase ?

It was Tj, it was part of a intel presentation, maybe i can find it again.

edit:

found mirror of the pp:

http://denn1s82.de.funpic.de/dennis/...TS001_100r.pdf

slide 13.

[Kai Robinson]

It still doesn't sound right :/

[Hornet331]

It still doesn't sound right :/

well its information directly form intel, i think they know there stuff.

[Kai Robinson]

Not doubting that - but my thermocouple and my laser thermometer don't lie...seems like a stupidly large temperature gap.

[Hornet331]

Not doubting that - but my thermocouple and my laser thermometer don't lie...seems like a stupidly large temperature gap.

you cant measure Tjunction, what your a measuring is Tcase.