NVIDIA slips GTX 280 GX2 rumor

[Warboy]

Wow, look at the sheer number of Nvidia cards at that chart, even without the 256mb variants and GSOs O_o

Also I always thought the 3870x2 was mediocre at best, seems like it can hold its own especially after driver updates.

It's just common sense after driver updates that a Onboard-Crossfire card gets better. Hopefully....

[Devil's Prophet]

[cTx]Warboy, you fail to reply to my final statement.

[insurgent]

It's just common sense after driver updates that a Onboard-Crossfire card gets better. Hopefully....

True, but like I said it was doing better than what I originally thought. Honestly, I didn't bother checking the 38xx series performance when they came out so I'm seeing these old results for the first time.. lol

[spursindonesia]

He won't reply you, because he doesn't have any that makes sense, unless fanboy card being pulled. It's just so freakin logic, that nVidia wouldn't bother making a 9800 GX2 should HD 3870X2 indeed that damn miserable in performance, like losing to 8800 GT, a card that almost half its price.

[Anth Seebel]

Yes I know for 30" monitors 2560 res the X2 just wins in Crysis (is that avg fps in that bench?), but I want to see a FPS graph. I want to see how the fluctuations are. Furthermore at 1920 and below, the 4870X2 looses. I own a 27" (1920x1200).

Post up some 1920 benchies, minimum FPS numbers ?and FPS graphs preferably as consistent FPS is also important.

[Anth Seebel]

Can you say same amount of transistors against same amount of transistors?

Really, those comparisons about anything else than price are pointless. HD4870X2 costs as much as GTX280, so we compare them in reviews. They could be powered by 2 or a thousand gpu's for all I care. If they manage to do fine with the parallel processing (crossfire), then I'm ok with that.

So of course the GT200 chip is faster than RV700, but also more expensive and bigger and draws more power, etc.

So I don't know really where you are getting at.

Sure, if price is your main concern then yes 4870X2 is the winner.

For GPU horsepower it's GT200, that was my point.

[Warboy]

[cTx]Warboy, you fail to reply to my final statement.

80% of the tests were used without any AA, Or very low AA. You statement might be valid for these case due to that, But that is all. Find any review with 8xAA or above and The card will always fall flat on it's face. The Only thing the 3870x2 was good for were benchmarks such as 3dmark06, That's all really. Sorry about not replying to your statement earlier. Also, waver, about the driver subject, Go find the dates for when the 8.1 Beta and the 169 Beta drivers were released, Here let me get them for you.

2007-12-18 (YYYY-MM-DD) for 169.28 Vista
2008-1-12 for 8.1

I'm sorry but whats your point waver?

and waver_01, I'm not even going to reply to you since You have no knowledge of the subject at all.

[Stukov]

80% of the tests were used without any AA, Or very low AA. You statement might be valid for these case due to that, But that is all. Find any review with 8xAA or above and The card will always fall flat on it's face. The Only thing the 3870x2 was good for were benchmarks such as 3dmark06, That's all really. Sorry about not replying to your statement earlier. Also, waver, about the driver subject, Go find the dates for when the 8.1 Beta and the 169 Beta drivers were released, Here let me get them for you.

2007-12-18 (YYYY-MM-DD) for 169.28 Vista
2008-1-12 for 8.1

I'm sorry but whats your point waver?

and waver_01, I'm not even going to reply to you since You have no knowledge of the subject at all.

falling flat on its face, you mean like this?
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...formancerating

[Warboy]

falling flat on its face, you mean like this?
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...formancerating

Picking results now? hmm?

here you go, The real pages of the review.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...hd_3870_x2/23/

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...hd_3870_x2/22/

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...hd_3870_x2/21/

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...hd_3870_x2/20/

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...hd_3870_x2/19/

[Karolis]

Funny, Look at those tests, Everything X2 got from that site automatic got 100FPS perfectly without any movements. That's really funny. It never dropped below 100, or above 100 FPS for that matter.

Dude, those graphs aren't showing FPS.

[Catalyst2211]

Wow, you're not that smart are you warboy... Read the graphs more carefully. The 3870X2 is the base comparison for the other cards. That's why it's all 100% in all the graphs.. So for example if the 8800Ultra is 85%, that means that it's speed is 85% that of the 3870X2.

No need to thank me.

[Warboy]

Wow, you're not that smart are you warboy... Read the graphs more carefully. The 3870X2 is the base comparison for the other cards. That's why it's all 100% in all the graphs.. So for example if the 8800Ultra is 85%, that means that it's speed is 85% that of the 3870X2.

No need to thank me.

Well, I can't read German and even it was that, Then it's not true if you look at their benchmarks. How many low profile guys are going to come in here and say "3870x2 was teh best durrrr...." THIS IS A NVIDIA thread about FUTURE POSSIBLE CARDS. You guys are the ones that keep arguing because your feelings are hurt. So any person that Replies to this thread about the 3870X2, I'm going to report.

PS. If you wish to go on and on about the argument, You can PM me.

[Frodin]

My brain just shrunk reading the last two pages of this thread. How does one go about blocking certain people's posts from appearing?

[initialised]

How about closing this thread now it's been destroyed by brand whores

[Clairvoyant129]

QFI

Did the 3870x2 beat of any of nvidias hardware...No.

Saying the 3870x2 was good in it's era is like saying the Athlon 64 was bad in it's era.

Timelines people, Timelines, and Not the place for discuss this. I mean seriously.


On avg. The 8800GTS 512mb, 8800GT 512mb, The 8800GTX, The 8800Ultra Sadly beat the 3870x2.

The Only time the 3870x2 came close to the Ultra, was when AA was disabled.

It's not the people's fault, it all started with these false statements from Warboy.

[waver_01]

Well, I can't read German and even it was that, Then it's not true if you look at their benchmarks. How many low profile guys are going to come in here and say "3870x2 was teh best durrrr...." THIS IS A NVIDIA thread about FUTURE POSSIBLE CARDS. You guys are the ones that keep arguing because your feelings are hurt. So any person that Replies to this thread about the 3870X2, I'm going to report.

PS. If you wish to go on and on about the argument, You can PM me.

80% of the tests were used without any AA, Or very low AA. You statement might be valid for these case due to that, But that is all. Find any review with 8xAA or above and The card will always fall flat on it's face. The Only thing the 3870x2 was good for were benchmarks such as 3dmark06, That's all really. Sorry about not replying to your statement earlier. Also, waver, about the driver subject, Go find the dates for when the 8.1 Beta and the 169 Beta drivers were released, Here let me get them for you.

2007-12-18 (YYYY-MM-DD) for 169.28 Vista
2008-1-12 for 8.1

I'm sorry but whats your point waver?

and waver_01, I'm not even going to reply to you since You have no knowledge of the subject at all.

ok no point in arguing with you for obvious reasons, I'm sure many people here know that

[fornowagain]

Wow, you're not that smart are you warboy... Read the graphs more carefully. The 3870X2 is the base comparison for the other cards. That's why it's all 100% in all the graphs.. So for example if the 8800Ultra is 85%, that means that it's speed is 85% that of the 3870X2.

No need to thank me.

Not quite. Any of the cards can be the base depending on which one you move the mouse over.

[miptzi]

It's just one damn thing you put on the damn PCI-E slot.
And micro-stuttering is not that monster.....

the faster, the better.
the cheaper, the better.

the faster AND cheaper..... the best!

E.N.D!

[malik22]

Post up some 1920 benchies, minimum FPS numbers ?and FPS graphs preferably as consistent FPS is also important.[/QUOTE]



Anth Seebel Just read mascaras review it wins at lowe res too
http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...d.php?t=198045

[Strafe]

hardware-infos

Guru3d isn't the only one who has published this kind of information, so next time before making statements like "Guru3D is making up a story where none exists." please search for more info on the net, I even found a translate version of the article on the German site just for you .

OK so both stories suck. 2 rumors do not make one truth. Hell, 2 sories of mindless speculation do not even make a rumor. This is the sort of bull that passes for journalism in the 'me too' blog era - and you're eating it up. This is not to say that NVIDIA won't come out with a 280X2, but the original quote said nothing other than it's something they would consider.

[Anth Seebel]

Post up some 1920 benchies, minimum FPS numbers ?and FPS graphs preferably as consistent FPS is also important.

Anth Seebel Just read mascaras review it wins at lowe res too
http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...d.php?t=198045

I don't see any comparison in that link, just a users review of 4870X2, the bnchmarks Ive seen has GTX 280 SLI being untouched at 1920x1200.

[malik22]

He did a review of both cards look in his sig at and from his reviews
HD4870X2 default
1900x1200
VERY High
Average = 36 Fps

Evga GTX 280
1680x1050
VERY High
Average = 26



Even at a higher res the HD4870X2 is faster.And I trust mascaras reviews over any of those websites and his cpu is clocked at 4ghz.

[911us]

I wish ATI has better Folding@home score,right now I switch all my sys to Nvidia due to GPU Folding score.

[Solus Corvus]

I don't see any comparison in that link, just a users review of 4870X2, the bnchmarks Ive seen has GTX 280 SLI being untouched at 1920x1200.

Way to pull the thread off track with your brand-centric cherrypicking. That's easy to do if you want to represent only one side:
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...D4870X2-52.jpg
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...es/cry1920.gif
http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-...0-veryhigh.gif

Now get back on topic.

I would be happy if they released a 280GX2 type card. Sure it would be hot and power hungry, but I have never had a problem with that before. It would be another point of competition in the market, a good thing for us.

[Anth Seebel]

He did a review of both cards look in his sig at and from his reviews
HD4870X2 default
1900x1200
VERY High
Average = 36 Fps

Evga GTX 280
1680x1050
VERY High
Average = 26



Even at a higher res the HD4870X2 is faster.And I trust mascaras reviews over any of those websites and his cpu is clocked at 4ghz.

Yes I know 4870X2>GTX280 , but I was talking GTX 280 SLI.

Taking threads off-topic is fun. Ok I'll behave.