UNOFFICIAL BIOSTAR TPower I45 M/B

[jaggerwild]

for those guys who have not "Rated" this thread, it would be greatly appreciated if you can be so kind to show 5 stars over 4 stars.

Noted and voted

Checking in Acer-Rue!
Present and accounted for, Gigabyte MB is on vacation (RMA) now.

Need any advice on going past the 475 480 with a E8400 and G-skill PC6400 memory. Board does not want to play nice after that point, though it has booted into windows desk top but unstable. Not tried to lower the multi much though...........
Thanks in advance!

[mattkosem]

Need any advice on going past the 475 480 with a E8400 and G-skill PC6400 memory. Board does not want to play nice after that point, though it has booted into windows desk top but unstable. Not tried to lower the multi much though...........
Thanks in advance!

How far have you backed your memory timings off so far? What voltages are you running? What cooling?

--Matt

[HousERaT]

try cooling the clockgen too that seems to run toasty

Just curious, have you noticed higher clocks by sinking that chip? Anyone?

[Ace-a-Rue]

I appear to need quite a bit more FSB Termination voltage to run with the same stability at .63. The results at .67 with 1.3v FSB are roughly the same as the results at .63 with 1.4v FSB. I don't pick anything noticeable up jumping to 1.4v at .67. I feel a bit more comfortable running less than 1.4.

--Matt

i'll give mine a checkout at 67%...let you know!

[Ace-a-Rue]

Noted and voted

Checking in Acer-Rue!
Present and accounted for, Gigabyte MB is on vacation (RMA) now.

Need any advice on going past the 475 480 with a E8400 and G-skill PC6400 memory. Board does not want to play nice after that point, though it has booted into windows desk top but unstable. Not tried to lower the multi much though...........
Thanks in advance!

although i did not set MCH GTL REF (64% a good start) other than 'auto' for my E8500, it might behoove you to give that a try!

don't forget to set a Performance level of 9 or 10 once you are up by 480 and beyond FSB.

also, i have bios images of the bios for my E8500 on the first page of this thread...take a look.

if all fails, i would flash the bios (in DOS) with bios 710 again...HERE IS WHAT I DID TO FLASH....i found once doing that, my QX9650 worked better and the DDR2 RECOMP Configurations worked better...using the same GSkill as you, i was only able to use number 3 before the flash.

welcome onboard!...to bad about the giga X48 board

[ceemic]

I got my TPower yesterday

First thing was to rip off the cooler:
http://ceemic.pri.ee/hardware/tpower/tpower13.JPG
http://ceemic.pri.ee/hardware/tpower/tpower14.JPG
http://ceemic.pri.ee/hardware/tpower/tpower15.JPG
http://ceemic.pri.ee/hardware/tpower/tpower16.JPG
Replaced the crap with OCZ Freeze. Also used 3mm bolts for remounting.

Interesting place
http://ceemic.pri.ee/hardware/tpower/tpower20.JPG

I will try to measure real Vcore with DMM ASAP and report back. Maybe the board needs Vdroop mod...
Also I have heard, OVP kicks in at ~1,84V some cases. This I can't test before some LN2 run...

Enjoy other pics (sadly with crap camera): http://ceemic.pri.ee/hardware/tpower/

Layout is quite good. I like the angled SATA ports and CMOS jumper top of them. Power/reset buttons are also very nice.
Tho, the extra molex for PCIe is badly placed...

(Worth to mention I'm not AMI BIOS fan.)

The LED screen is good for POST/BIOS info, but the temp reading is ~15C lower than with RealTemp (E8500).

I hadn't time to try OC, but a quick test got me 6x601 booted to win and spii1M up to 610FSB. (NB ~1,4V; FSB ~1,6V; PLL 1,6V)

First expression is very good

[Ace-a-Rue]

hey thanks for the images...i've been meaning to yank the heatpipe and SB heatsink and replace it with bolts and nuts and then some ceramique or MX2 paste.

heading out the door to Home Depot..hehehe

[scorpion]

ace need some help!!! iam runnig about the same setting as you us from page 1, but keep getting oveclock fail

[Ace-a-Rue]

ace need some help!!! iam runnig about the same setting as you us from page 1, but keep getting oveclock fail

one thing i didn't do with the 8500 was put "MCH GTLREF" to 64%...see if that helps.

BTW, what PL are you setting?

[scorpion]

Pl9

[DJSUB]

for me this is very fast board.
it beats my DFI Lanparty UT P35 Fully Tweaked E2140 @ 3.200ghz 400x8 run spi32m 2:3 ddrr2 1200 cas4-4-4-4 (same memory timings used)

DFI Lanparty UT P35 : (No Spi Tweaker)



Biostar Tpower i45 : (No Strap Tweak, No Spi Tweaker)



as you can see in the memset screenshot the DFI run has Tighter PL & TRTP

[Ace-a-Rue]

Pl9

have you tried 10 or 11?

[Ace-a-Rue]

for me this is very fast board.
it beats my DFI Lanparty UT P35 Fully Tweaked E2140 @ 3.200ghz 400x8 run spi32m 2:3 ddrr2 1200 cas4-4-4-4 (same memory timings used)

DFI Lanparty UT P35 : (No Spi Tweaker)



Biostar Tpower i45 : (No Strap Tweak, No Spi Tweaker)



as you can see in the memset screenshot the DFI run has Tighter PL & TRTP

glad to see that you were able to procure the board!

but i have to say, your Memset is reporting the memory frequency correctly while my Memset, with the same versions as you, is reporting the memory frequency incorrectly.

EDIT:...i see why; you are using 2:3 ratio...i am using 5:6 ratio...hmmm

[DJSUB]

glad to see that you were able to procure the board!

but i have to say, your Memset is reporting the memory frequency correctly while my Memset, with the same versions as you, is reporting the memory frequency incorrectly.

EDIT:...i see why; you are using 2:3 ratio...i am using 5:6 ratio...hmmm

thanks brotha

i need to learn more about this mobo. & i think it needs to improve the bios.

[trans am]

where is your performance level and what DDR2 Comp Reconfig?

i went from 470 FSB on my QX9650 to 475 FSB and it would not post correctly...finally, i had to set the PL=9 (was '7') and move my DDR2 Comp Reconfig to '3' (was 4).

changes in memory timings requires those other settings to be adjusted.

Thanks Ace..
Any help you guys can give me just some basic do's and don'ts with this board would be helpful. I would normally take the time to figure it all out myself but I am anxious to get this e8600 under xtreme conditions. I have a brand new e8600 I just loaded a quick 15gb xp32 partition on a raptor. And flashed to 7/10 . I am getting some dry ice tomorrow.
Just finished insulating the board.

I'm so spoiled by asus bios. I can't remember how the Ami bios goes. I'm basically diving into a pool headfirst with no idea of the water depth! I sold all my good ddr2 and only have a new 1 kit of Crucial Tracers from a rma which ive never used. I have a new cpu i have no idea what its capable of, then throw this board into the mix and you can see where I'm going. I see theres no oc profile option to save settings in the bios. so there's going be a lot of cmos jumper jumping around. I gathered a lot of notes and pasted them into notepad from this thread. Does driving control help?

If you need help with voltage settings and are confused by the voltage in the ami bios (+.25 etc. ) boot up into the bios. load to optimized settings. In cpu settings disable c1e etc. run at max multi. save F10. reboot go into bios advanced/hardware health configuration. take a picture or write down the default voltage settings for your hardware. Now you have something to work with. It should show your correct voltages at the bottom of the screen in the voltage options. If it doesn't try the steps I just showed.

Here's what I have so far from this thread, lemme know if I missed anything. Maybe it's time to make a quick start guide for this board?

164 to fix the bios, and post 196 for a setting to keep it from happening again. "Change the MCH GTL REF voltage from AUTO to 0.64xVTT ..."
Strange thing is that with PL9 I got better timing than with PL8 before it crashed ???
I had to relax the performance level to get over 530. Try 10 or 11.
You will get it. I bet it's just vdimm or vmch in addition to gtl and mem settings. lol sounds like a lot, but you can get it I'm sure. Maybe try cpu gtls at default 63,67 nb gtl auto and give it some more nb juice. Did you try to loosen trd to 10 manually in bios, then boot up, then raise fsb? If that works, you can notch trd back down with memset.

For 600 fsb - I used rcomp config 2, set PL manually in bios to 10, left timings at auto/spd, boot at 580, then in windows use setfsb to 600fsb. Then once you're in you can drop to PL 9 with memset if you want.

Here's 6.06ghz 1m with e84
I had the same troubles as you, with corrupted bios and not being able to post over 450fsb.
I used the AMI bios recovery method to bring my board back to life.

I thought the same as you more volts needed, but its not.

Changing the MCH GTL REF voltage from AUTO to 0.64xVTT got me over the 450fsb hurdle.

I am at 460fsb, occt 1hr stable after changing that setting, give it a try

NB/ SB voltage at 1.088 (+0.100v added to Chipset Voltage)
FSB voltage at 1.104 (+.0100v added to FSB Voltage)

Honestly mate, try it

Vcore i left @ auto in bios so the high volts
ddr +.6v
chipset +.35
FSB +.35
CPU PLL 1.6v

set MCH GTLREF to 64%
You will get it. I bet it's just vdimm or vmch in addition to gtl and mem settings. lol sounds like a lot, but you can get it I'm sure. Maybe try cpu gtls at default 63,67 nb gtl auto and give it some more nb juice. Did you try to loosen trd to 10 manually in bios, then boot up, then raise fsb? If that works, you can notch trd back down with memset.
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue View Post
did you apply those tweaks to the chipset to get those good times???
Nope, just as shown with clean boot.
BTW, I had noticed many screenshots with the cpu skew thingy set to 200ms. When I tried this my machine would not boot. So, I'm thinking not to use this with quads.
Basically auto on everything except setting divider to 1-1, 64 on the Mch, PL9, no finetune, 1.55v to NB and FSB, 2.3 to ddr, 1.48 VCore

Bad stuff happens everytime I try to tweak a bios setting out of the auto setting - so when in doubt, leave it in auto including strap and all ram settings except PL-9/10.

I think you may not get to 500 stable without using some other ram unless maybe you try 6-6-6-18. It is just so damn sensitive to the ram when using a quad. I tried 4 sets, and the Mushkin 6400 was very much like your GSkill 8000 whereas that same Mushkin would run at 525-550 topside on the IP35XE w/8400 with a 5/6 multi. As mentioned the Dominator 8500 could not break 400 on this board while it would run 500+ on the IP35 w/8400

What happens when you do 1 stick single channel?
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yeah, i found 1.6v cpu pll as non workable the other evening...i leave that now at 1.5.

as for the C1E, i noticed there are two options in the bios that need to be disable to keep your voltage from dropping....the 1st "C1E" is under the "Advanced" tab in 'CPU CONFIGURATION'...the 2nd "C1E" enable/disable feature is under the 'O.N.E.' tab..look in "CPU CONFIGURATION"...very strange to have two C1E settings...anyway look in those two spots.

EDIT:...i presume everyone knows that Intel's Speed-Step disable/enable feature is at the top of the page under "O.N.E." tab when you are in manual overclock.

I was benching 3D last night at 575fsb and my settings are close to what you're advising.

@mattkosem: If Ace's settings don't get you stable try mine:

CPU SKEW 200ps
MCH SKEW 100ps
Driving Control 800mV

PLL voltage 1.6
NBV .350
fsb .325

Memory AUTO
PL 11 (you should be able to do 10 or 9 between 500-530 if you have good ram).

That's all I remember off the top of my head.

These setting are real picky so be prepared to spend some time trying to find out what works for you.

Please help to archive 570 +stable , when i got this motherboard i was looking for 600x8.5 and yes my cpu can do it
Waiting for more info


Please help to archive 570 +stable , when i got this motherboard i was looking for 600x8.5 and yes my cpu can do it
Waiting for more info

current setting :
CPu + 0.35 v
memory +0.3 v (lowring this value is possible)
Chipset +0.35 v>>>>>i've gone up to+0.50v
GTl xxx:0.63
GTL xxx:0.67>>63%
GTl MCH : auto>>>>64%
Cpu PLL v : 1.5 or 1.6 do no make any deference .>>>>only 1.5v worked for me

CPU SKEW 100ps-200 ps or ... 700ps even auto do not make any defernce>>>>now try 100ps
MCH SKEW 100ps-200 ps>>>>now try 200 or 300ps
cpu Driving Control>>>>now try 800, 900 or 1000mv

pl 9-10 or 11
PLS help

i can get 600 easy.

try vtt or vfsb +0.325 to +0.4

also try vnb +0.6 and make sure you have a fan over it.
DDR2 Comp Reconfig to '3' (was 4).__________________

[jaggerwild]

don't forget to set a Performance level of 9 or 10 once you are up by 480 and beyond FSB

Ok,
I'm a knob where in the bios is this? Also I freaked out when I found memtest built right into the bios.

My settings so far and I have gotten it up higher now but not stable around 515 FSB.
Cpu,water, +.400, E8400 temps on the board show 30ish
NB +.150
FSB+.150
my mem devider now is to high for the ram @around 1040 or so? So I set it to auto.
Thats about it, I turn most CPU features off. I have tried bumping the GTL ref to the first setting, will try the next one also.
Thanks again! It's late I gotta sleep soon 4:35 am here........

Bonus photo

[rostrow]

Ace-a-Rue,

THANK YOU for posting your DPC Latency result.

[Ace-a-Rue]

any time...i thought it looked good and worthy of posting

[Ace-a-Rue]

thanks brotha

i need to learn more about this mobo. & i think it needs to improve the bios.

i agree, the bios definitely needs MORE work...i am trying to find a beta

[ceemic]

Isn't there an option like "Loadline Calibration" or "Voltage Damper" in TPower BIOS like Gigabyte/Asus have?

[ceemic]

I drilled some holes to case wall behind motherboard socket area
Now I measured real voltages with DMM.



Vdroop rises too big in higher Vcore
Next step: Vdroop mod

[jaggerwild]

Ok,
I'm a knob where in the bios is this? Also I freaked out when I found memtest built right into the bios.

Found it thanks!

[scorpion]

yes tryed PL10 is there anything i need to enable or disable beside c1 both of them and speedstep!!!

[scorpion]

thanks for the help, the bios is a lot diff from ip pro!!

[makaka]

Yeah please post a vdroop mod , how to do it , this thread http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...wpost&t=194136 is too complex to understand witch pin to use and how much ohm for the resistor